Prophecy

[Meggido]

Well Pencil that depends on what one defines as prophecy, Prophecy is not simply a prophet speaking prophecy it is much more than that. For instance studying bible prophecy one might find that there is not a single way of God working prophecy through his church, often times prophecy is spoken through normal believers who aren't even prophets. Prophecy is not just prophetic dreams visions and prophetic words of thus saith the Lord, a lot of times prophecy is God speaking through us to give life to to others to give encouragement and to build and uphold others, in fact a lot of times people will simply speak what is on their hearts to show God's love and to help to mend the inner wounds and scars of others and not even be aware of being used in prophecy. Prophecy is for God to speak through his people to others yes? So doesn't it stand to reason that any time one shows the heart of God through their words that is prophecy?

One can have the gift of dreams and visions and can have the gift of prophecy but that doesn't mean they are a prophet

I agree and said this in my book a few posts up....

 

[hornetguy]

Because prophets are generally visitors in church and not from the church.

I would be interested to hear what leads you to that conclusion?

 

[Meggido]

I would be interested to hear what leads you to that conclusion?

It probably has to do with certain churches like Bethel out in Redding CA sullying the body with Profits who go to churches and Lord over them and take them over and are nothing more than wolves or hirelings....

The profit guest speakers are as plentiful now as the old time Evangelists coming to the church

 

[Blain]

I agree and said this in my book a few posts up....

I'm sorry I didn't read the other posts I just responded to her, I didn't know you wrote a book that is great. You know a lot of people think they understand prophecy and while I know I still have much more to learn about it I think that operating in prophecy requires one to understand what it truly is first and that cannot be done by simply studying prophecy god has to reveal it to you. That is how I know what I know about prophecy even before I knew I had the gift of prophecy he revealed to me understanding about prophecy what i posted was something I would say a lot before I ever knew I walked in the gift of prophecy.

And I don't mean the thus saith the Lord thing and I do not claim to be anything special, the prophecy he uses me for is exactly what I posted above, in fact it has been my deepest desire for the longest time for the words i speak to help mend and heal the inner wounds and scars of others and to help to build up others and give them encouragement and to uphold others however it wasn't until later that he showed me that was what prophecy was so I was being used in prophecy without even knowing it at that time.

 

[dcontroversal]

Apparently not. It is written in Genesis that God spoke to Abimelech in a dream that Abraham was a prophet.

"Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake." Gen 20:1

Why would Abraham think that the fear of God was not in that place? Would Abraham and his wife be welcome in your house?


If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass..... Doesn't mean that they are God, much less to follow them.
Deut 13:1-2

Now quote N.T. and the test for any prophet.......as well as the O.T. that deals with the test of a prophet.....and your blue is embellishments......could care less about opinion....what does the word say is the test for a prophet OF GOD

 

[hornetguy]

It probably has to do with certain churches like Bethel out in Redding CA sullying the body with Profits who go to churches and Lord over them and take them over and are nothing more than wolves or hirelings....

The profit guest speakers are as plentiful now as the old time Evangelists coming to the church

More than likely... I was hoping he would provide some scriptural evidence for that statement...

 

[Blain]

It probably has to do with certain churches like Bethel out in Redding CA sullying the body with Profits who go to churches and Lord over them and take them over and are nothing more than wolves or hirelings....

The profit guest speakers are as plentiful now as the old time Evangelists coming to the church

I don't trust self proclaimed prophets like that, the title prophet is used far to often and with far to much carelessness which of course brings to mind this Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

 

[Meggido]

I'm sorry I didn't read the other posts I just responded to her, I didn't know you wrote a book that is great. You know a lot of people think they understand prophecy and while I know I still have much more to learn about it I think that operating in prophecy requires one to understand what it truly is first and that cannot be done by simply studying prophecy god has to reveal it to you. That is how I know what I know about prophecy even before I knew I had the gift of prophecy he revealed to me understanding about prophecy what i posted was something I would say a lot before I ever knew I walked in the gift of prophecy.

And I don't mean the thus saith the Lord thing and I do not claim to be anything special, the prophecy he uses me for is exactly what I posted above, in fact it has been my deepest desire for the longest time for the words i speak to help mend and heal the inner wounds and scars of others and to help to build up others and give them encouragement and to uphold others however it wasn't until later that he showed me that was what prophecy was so I was being used in prophecy without even knowing it at that time.

I have not written a literal book on prophecy, I was talking about the length of post I made was about as long as a book...LOL

that is is how it works...thanks for sharing...

 

[Zmouth]

Now quote N.T. and the test for any prophet.......as well as the O.T. that deals with the test of a prophet.....and your blue is embellishments......could care less about opinion....what does the word say is the test for a prophet OF GOD

Apparently not. It is written in Genesis that God spoke to Abimelech in a dream that Abraham was a prophet.

Embellishment? is it or is it not written in the scriptures that God spoke to Abimelech in a dream and during that dream had told Abimelech that Abraham was a prophet.

Why would Abraham think that the fear of God was not in that place? Would Abraham and his wife be welcome in your house?

These are called questions. They help develop the discussion of a topic and provide a person the opportunity to sanctify the LORD their answer for the hope in them. When people won't answer it is typically because they are unbelieving and afraid.

Doesn't mean that they are God, much less to follow them.

And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Deut 13:2
Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: Deut 13:3





So what is your opinion about John 8:47?

 

[loverofjesus27]

1 Corinthians 2:10

these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

True that.

 

[Dreamstate]

True that.

Awesome !!

 

[Willie-T]

Prophets spoke to guide the people into ethicical behavior that would be in keeping with the coming of Christ. Christ came, so prophets ain't no more.

 

[Dreamstate]

Prophets spoke to guide the people into ethicical behavior that would be in keeping with the coming of Christ. Christ came, so prophets ain't no more.

Of course Mr Prophet

 

[Bladerunner]

I have a friend, she often say, God tell me to do this or that. I doubt It is God talk to her, It may her own think, she think God talk to her. If God talk to her so easy, why she often make wrong decision?

i believe some prophecy are from people own think, they think from the Lord

I think you will find that the so-called gifts from God stopped when the Disciples died. Even God (the Father) has been mostly absent these last 2000 years. The Holy Spirit is within everyone who TRULY believes in Jesus. Yes, He will Guide you, Teach you and Protect you if you will let HIM. I would think that the Holy Spirit in Christians and Satan in Non-True Believers are the outlets for certain temporary gifts, miracles, etc.

One point about Miracles: We have not seen Miracles as they were from 2000 years ago. By that I mean, A totally Blind person from birth suddenly could see without any medical procedures, etc perfomed. Someone who could not walk since birth suddenly can walk and run, again without any medical procedures, etc. performed.

Yes, there are Miracles but these are relegated to specific areas, especially Medicine. God still works through Mankind and occasionally (as reported in Iran), He and He alone changes the minds of those who at one time practiced Islam but now are Christians at the threat of Death if discovered.

Of course this is my opinion but have seen nothing concrete to change my mind either.

 

[loverofjesus27]

I think you will find that the so-called gifts from God stopped when the Disciples died. Even God (the Father) has been mostly absent these last 2000 years. The Holy Spirit is within everyone who TRULY believes in Jesus. Yes, He will Guide you, Teach you and Protect you if you will let HIM. I would think that the Holy Spirit in Christians and Satan in Non-True Believers are the outlets for certain temporary gifts, miracles, etc.

One point about Miracles: We have not seen Miracles as they were from 2000 years ago. By that I mean, A totally Blind person from birth suddenly could see without any medical procedures, etc perfomed. Someone who could not walk since birth suddenly can walk and run, again without any medical procedures, etc. performed.

Yes, there are Miracles but these are relegated to specific areas, especially Medicine. God still works through Mankind and occasionally (as reported in Iran), He and He alone changes the minds of those who at one time practiced Islam but now are Christians at the threat of Death if discovered.

Of course this is my opinion but have seen nothing concrete to change my mind either.

could be true. i agree.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

The Bible is Prophecy itself.If God reveals spiritual truths to a person,that'd make that person a Prophet.When people think of prophecy,they think Nostradamus like prophecy's predicting quakes,wars,and stuff like that.All that pales in comparison to knowing the Bible fully.Which nobody will know till 144,000 learned the new song which only they know.
Also,the Holy Spirit isn't as common as people tend to think.Majority of Gods people are held in bondage from sins from their youth.Anyone with the Holy Spirit can draw themselves closer to God and have that personal relationship and be blameless.Conversations,dreams,visions.All that is possible with God.It's in the scripture.But once you let sin into your heart,you let yourself draw away from God.All this begins with the renew of your mind.
Romans:12-2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.

 

[Deacon_D]

I find prophecy very interesting if you know the answer and are waiting for it to be fulfilled.

 

[Bladerunner]

I believe no church is complete without prophecy. Bible always talks about it. But I also know there are false prophets just as in any other groups. I have been a prey to many such false prophecy. How can church and it's people welcome Gods prophecy and reject false prophecy? Because prophets are generally visitors in church and not from the church.

Pencildot: there is a difference in a person staging themselves as a prophet (false prophet)and a person quoting the Prophecies of God.

(i.e. The Prophecy of the Rapture that it will happen yet the time is not known vs. the False Prophet who claims to know the time and day the Rapture will happen.).

One can always tell of the false prophet.That is if you know your Bible.

 

[Deacon_D]

Pencildot: there is a difference in a person staging themselves as a prophet (false prophet)and a person quoting the Prophecies of God.

(i.e. The Prophecy of the Rapture that it will happen yet the time is not known vs. the False Prophet who claims to know the time and day the Rapture will happen.).

One can always tell of the false prophet.That is if you know your Bible.

I wish to ask of you, how long ago was the last prophecy of Daniel 7 hs come true?

 

[Bladerunner]

I have a friend, she often say, God tell me to do this or that. I doubt It is God talk to her, It may her own think, she think God talk to her. If God talk to her so easy, why she often make wrong decision?

i believe some prophecy are from people own think, they think from the Lord

The prophecy in the Bible is breathed by GOD!. It is for His Glory that they are fulfilled. It appears to me you are having a hard time with so called prophets.

Jesus tells us in Mat 24:4 "4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you."

and then in Mat 24:" For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

In these end times,they false prophets, etc. are every where, be wary at all times !