Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?

loveme1 · Sep 7, 2017

Hebrews 10

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; 33Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. 34For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 35Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

i bid us all to take heed.

Grace777x70 · Sep 7, 2017

Let's us hope that those who try to use other ways of getting rid of sin other than faith in Christ's sacrifice for sin - heed Hebrews 10 such as the writer of Hebrews was exhorting those Jewish listeners to stop willfully rejecting Christ's sacrifice on the cross for sins.

Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below - Ex 32:33. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the ultimate statement of truth. The work of Jesus's finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.

Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins.

Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.

This is insulting the Spirit of grace. The Holy Spirit's work is to convict/convince/expose the world of their sin - which is unbelief in Christ's work. John 16:8-9

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

loveme1 · Sep 7, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Let's us hope that those who try to use other ways of getting rid of sin other than faith in Christ's sacrifice for sin - heed Hebrews 10 such as the writer of Hebrews was exhorting those Jewish listeners to stop willfully rejecting Christ's sacrifice on the cross for sins.

Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below - Ex 32:33. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the ultimate statement of truth. The work of Jesus's finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.

Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins.

Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.

This is insulting the Spirit of grace. The Holy Spirit's work is to convict/convince/expose the world of their sin - which is unbelief in Christ's work. John 16:8-9

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

You add so much to bring understanding that before long you will have written a whole new book to which we should use along side our Bible.

Grace777x70 · Sep 7, 2017

If we don't look at the book of Hebrews in the light of who is the author talking to - then we can get into a mess and distort the gospel of the grace of God.

The book of Hebrews addresses Israel in the transitional generation of both Jewish believers and Jewish unbelievers alike before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

These letters would have been read out loud in every Jewish congregation of which Jesus said there would be tares in with the true wheat.

The writer of Hebrews is trying to get the gospel message out to these people as well as give comfort to the true believers in Christ as can be seen at the end of Hebrews 10.

Hebrews 10:39 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

It is written to "Hebrews". That is the intended audience. Jewish people in general.

That is why the author spends so much time talking about Jewish "things" from the law and comparing them to Christ Himself and all that He has done. A Gentile knows nothing of the law of Moses and this book was not directly addressed to them.

We can and do learn from all scripture for it is profitable to all of us when taken in it's proper context. Don't take someone else's medicine.

Audience relevance is paramount in determining the interpretation of a passage.

Reject the one time sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ which is willfully sinning talked about in Hebrews 10 and there remains no more sacrifice for sins. Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

7seasrekeyed · Sep 7, 2017

Jewish people or Christians?

so easy to fall into the trap of the gospel of cheap grace

as someone said yesterday in another thread, those who believe this stuff use one verse to cancel out another

Hebrews was written to ALL of us

people who deny this, will be quick to claim the 'blessings of Abraham' even though they are not Abraham

the holes in this false teaching are big enough to send you to hell

7seasrekeyed · Sep 7, 2017

get ready for the wall of copy/paste to either spin that or declare I am full of malice and hatred and slander

predictability rate without my saying the above would be 100%

Meggido · Sep 7, 2017

7seasrekeyed said:

We should also through out the Grace manifesto of the Epistle of Romans then too...it was written to Jews living in Rome....

See, this is how they get caught and do not even know it...Hebrews was to the Jews....well so was Romans and Matthew...so throw them out to....

7seasrekeyed · Sep 7, 2017

here is a great teaching on the book of Hebrews that I would recommend

I did use the video insert, but only the link is displaying

that should not be a problem though, as we have been trained to click on links LOL!

[video]http://thirdmill.org/seminary/lesson.asp/vs/HEB/ln/1[/video]

Hebrews is one of the greatest encouragements to Christians. one reason the easy grace people don't like it, is because it describes the many sufferings and persecutions of real Christians in this fallen world

do not be discouraged, the writer of Hebrews, encourages and tells us to keep the faith

this is not in agreement with the WOF, NAR, Latter Rain and false prophet teachings so they try to tell us it is not for us

God help them in their deception

7seasrekeyed · Sep 7, 2017

Meggido said:

Jesus was Jewish too

maybe that is one reason we are being told to ignore alot of His teachings

the video I linked to tells the truth about Hebrews

loveme1 · Sep 7, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

If we don't look at the book of Hebrews in the light of who is the author talking to - then we can get into a mess and distort the gospel of the grace of God.

The book of Hebrews addresses Israel in the transitional generation of both Jewish believers and Jewish unbelievers alike before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

These letters would have been read out loud in every Jewish congregation of which Jesus said there would be tares in with the true wheat.

The writer of Hebrews is trying to get the gospel message out to these people as well as give comfort to the true believers in Christ as can be seen at the end of Hebrews 10.

Hebrews 10:39 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

It is written to "Hebrews". That is the intended audience. Jewish people in general.

That is why the author spends so much time talking about Jewish "things" from the law and comparing them to Christ Himself and all that He has done. A Gentile knows nothing of the law of Moses and this book was not directly addressed to them.

We can and do learn from all scripture for it is profitable to all of us when taken in it's proper context. Don't take someone else's medicine.

Audience relevance is paramount in determining the interpretation of a passage.

Reject the one time sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ which is willfully sinning talked about in Hebrews 10 and there remains no more sacrifice for sins. Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

It reads that we reject it by sinning willfully after receiving the Truth... then there is no more sacrifice for us but to be fearful of GOD..

You believe the sin is if we reject Christ? But these people have accepted Christ and are being urged not to sin but to be confident and receive reward.

Desertsrose · Sep 7, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Show me all the scriptures in the New Covenant that say the believer needs to confess sins in order to receive forgiveness after confessing that they do have sins in order to be a new creation in Christ?[/QUOTE

By the testimony of two or three witnesses, every word is established. John is confirming the Lords prayer.

“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
‘Give us this day our daily bread.
‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]
For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

Meggido · Sep 7, 2017

loveme1 said:

plain as day...do not fall away in unbelief....

I watched a whole panel of pastors, teachers from HG, WOF, NAR, Latter Rain movements ask if we should really even teach Hebrews anymore....the host was Brian Houston....and the channel was not TBN....

MarcR · Sep 7, 2017

7seasrekeyed said:

You are correct in saying that the entire Bible speaks truth to everyone who reads it.

Grace777X70 is correct in his belief that taking note of who an epistle is specifically addressed to can alert you to culturally unique problems that are being addressed.

joaniemarie · Sep 7, 2017

Meggido said:

No., have never read that book. Years ago a friend who really likes Watchman Nee gave me one of his books. I tried to read it but it was a bit over my head. A lot like C.S.Lewis. Had a hard time understanding some of his books too.

Grace777x70 · Sep 7, 2017

Personally I love the book of Hebrews!

It speaks much of the finished work of Christ. The finality of His sacrifice for sins. He is our Great High Priest which is better then the priesthood of Aaron. Heb. 7:11-12

The contrast between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. The contrast between the Mosaic way and the New Covenant way. How that the Old Covenant is obsolete because of the New. Heb. 8:13

The fact that the New Covenant is a better covenant based upon better promises and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things then the blood of Abel. Heb. 12:24

Abel's blood cries out for vengeance. The blood of the Lord Jesus Christ cries out "You are forgiven".

How that we are to rest from our labors and entered into His work....etc...etc. Heb. 4:10

It is rich with truth about the finished and awesome work of the Lord Jesus Christ. The book of Hebrews is a great encouragement to those that are in Christ and Christ is in them.

It is also a book that the listeners who were not in Christ and were not relying on Christ's sacrifice for sins, that it will be a terrifying thing to stand before the Lord in our own righteousness. Heb. 10:26-31

Jesus alone is the only sacrifice for sins. Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

I especially love how it ends up with this final note.

Hebrews 13:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord,

[SUP]21 [/SUP] equip you in every good thing to do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

This is a great promise to stand in when the storms of life come - and they will to all of us!

He will be faithful to all of us! We have a good, loving Father and a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Grace777x70 · Sep 7, 2017

loveme1 said:

It doesn't say that - it says this:

Hebrews 10:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

There is also a difference between "tasting" and "drinking".

There is a difference between tasting and drinking......Jesus knew of this concept too..

Matthew 27:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.

Matthew 26:27-28 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;

[SUP]28 [/SUP] for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

John 7:37-38 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

[SUP]38 [/SUP] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 4:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

loveme1 · Sep 7, 2017

Meggido said:

I guess we should not be surprised since we are told this would happen.. sign of the times.

Hebrews must be a challenge for certain belief systems it seems... either they won't teach it or teach what it "really" means seems to be the vibe..

Desertsrose · Sep 7, 2017

While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26:26-28

Forgiveness cost Jesus His life. He approached the cross willingly for love. No greater love is there than that someone would lay down his life for his brother/friend. Jesus laid down His life for His enemies.

To not forgive someone when you are a Christian, to me, would be like trampling on the blood of Jesus. It's not a minor thing. It's serious. Forgiveness if bought with Christ's precious blood and to shed that blood, he went through agony. He was simply shot with a bullet or speared through.

He was mocked, spit upon, slapped, called names, ridiculed, made fun of. He was beaten and tortured and if all that wasn't enough, He suffered the worst death, death on a cross.

To not forgive, is trampling all over what Jesus has done on the cross for the forgiveness of sin.

joaniemarie · Sep 7, 2017

reneweddaybyday said:

Right. We live in a world in which the rulers of darkness abound. satan uses others in order to influence our lives and get us to take our eyes off of our Lord Jesus Christ. And when we take our eyes off of Him, we sink ... just like Peter when he walked on the water. The moment he took his eyes off of Jesus he began to sink.

We have to get to the point where we realize that our Lord Jesus Christ is our life and everything in this world is set up to distract us from Him. A lot of people sitting in our churches don't pick up their Bibles to read. The only time they look at Scripture is on Sunday when they go to church. When we consider that God is the Author of Scripture and everything in Scripture points to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, it's no wonder that so many are duped into seeing themselves just as the god of this world has painted them. Really sad to see just how blinded we are to the fact that we (believers) are the children of the Living God —— the Creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein. Do we point to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in our daily walk? Do we live a life that exemplifies our Father? Or do we look like everyone else in this world?

So true! There are Christians who live like paupers when they are the Kings children. I did for years!!

7seasrekeyed · Sep 7, 2017

MarcR said:

uh huh

we all know that

every single true student of scripture knows that

however most of us do not tell others that what is written is not for us

I stand on what I said and I understand what you said

Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?

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