Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?
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Hey bro, not willing to go round and round about it. Some of his attacks have been nasty, and several here have been on that side of it, and can chime in if they want to. As for me, that's it, just setting the record straight and he is fully aware in his heart concerning his own attacks on others. He's not innocent so there is no need to pretend he is.
Have to agree with you here, it is certainly true. But I'm dropping it. It amazes me any person who knows they've attacked others, slammed them with Scripture will sit back and absorb false praise as if they are innocent. It literally makes me want to puke. Even if we were to receive genuine praise we should rather be reluctant!
This is the 4th time that this has been posted but I will do it again.
As for JoanieMarie and the devotionals from Prince - she was told that she could use them by the owner of CC. This has been told multiple times too and yet people still deceitfully say the types of things like you have just said.
Here is what was said below and the "term - hyper-grace" was not to be used because ofthe behavior of people and because some members were starting threads attacking ministers.
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BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:
1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin
I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue .
And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it.
remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.
God bless,
very respectfully,
CS1
"Hyper Grace " and preachers of the doctrine on CC
And yet - despite the requests of the Mods - many people still are bringing up the term "hyper-grace" in threads such as has happened in this one.
As for JoanieMarie and the devotionals from Prince - she was told that she could use them by the owner of CC. This has been told multiple times too and yet people still deceitfully say the types of things like you have just said.
Here is what was said below and the "term - hyper-grace" was not to be used because ofthe behavior of people and because some members were starting threads attacking ministers.
Quote:
BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:
1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin
I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue .
And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it.
remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.
God bless,
very respectfully,
CS1
"Hyper Grace " and preachers of the doctrine on CC
And yet - despite the requests of the Mods - many people still are bringing up the term "hyper-grace" in threads such as has happened in this one.
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It was about people opening attack reads on hypergrace,
was here when it was opend, and I know what happened, so unless you were here, please do not try to assume things,
if hypergrace was banned completely a few people would have been banned along time ago, people have even reported one who continues to post things from Jospeh prince, and the mods have yet to do anything.
why? Hat is not what the issue was, it was the attack threads.
Here is a response to post #342 and if others have a different view - you can have it but I would be interested in having this answered by anyone - "with scripture" from the New Testament.
Show me all the scriptures in the New Covenant that say the believer needs to confess sins in order to receive forgiveness after confessing that they do have sins in order to be a new creation in Christ?
You would think that in order for "believers" to keep having forgiveness - it would be all over Paul's letters to the churches - but there is not one mention of it anywhere. It would be of paramount importance.
The only one that is in the New testament is 1 John 1:9 and that has been shown to be in context speaking to gnostics who believed that Jesus did not come in the flesh and that they didn't have any sins.
I love talking about the greatness of the Lord Jesus's work on the cross and resurrection. It makes my heart jump for joy and fills my heart with love for Him and for others.
We have a great salvation in Him and all of heaven responds to the message of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.
Look at how the Holy Spirit responds to the message that our sins are forgiven in Christ when Peter preached the gospel.
Acts 10:43-44 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
The greek words "fell upon" are the same words used to describe the father that ran and fell on the prodigal son's neck and kissed him.
Our Father runs to "fall upon" us because of His great love for us and all of heaven responds to the message of "Your sins are forgiven" through the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.
We have not even scratched the surface of the revelation of such a great salvation we have in our Lord Jesus Christ.....and we haven't even scratched the surface of knowing the Father's love and grace towards us who believe.
I do not believe we need to confess in order to receive forgiveness. Forgiveness is granted through the mercy and grace of Father.
If forgiveness was based upon our "confessing", what would happen if we forgot to confess one area of our stumbling (missing the mark)? Is forgiveness then lost to us? I do not believe that was the point of 1 John 1:9.
I believe that our "confessing" is more for our peace of mind than for forgiveness. God has already told us He forgives all our iniquities and has removed our sin as far as the east is from the west, that He knows our frame and remembers we are dust (Psalm 103).
Proverbs 28:13 tells us He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
The reason we conceal anything from Father is because we do not trust Him. We are afraid of Him so we try to hide what we have done from Him.
We need to get to the point where we have no fear of Father and we trust that when we go to Him in whatever state we find ourselves, He will always take us in, hold us close, and reveal to us His never-ending, all-abounding love.
When we hide from God, we are following the way of Adam.
Job 31:33 If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom
When we hide from God, it is not healthy for us:
Psalm 32:
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
And when we [finally] turn to Father and reveal our hearts to Him:
Psalm 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
I realize these are OT Scriptures, written prior to Pentecost and the outpouring of HS, but we also read that whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope (Rom 15:4).
We can learn from these great men and women of God who went before us in faith and wrote those things that helped them in their time of distress, sorrow, anger at themselves because they stumbled.
Does our not confessing mean that we are no longer sons of the Most High God? No!
However, when we go to Father and have our heart-to-heart with Him, it clears our minds and frees us up.
If forgiveness was based upon our "confessing", what would happen if we forgot to confess one area of our stumbling (missing the mark)? Is forgiveness then lost to us? I do not believe that was the point of 1 John 1:9.
I believe that our "confessing" is more for our peace of mind than for forgiveness. God has already told us He forgives all our iniquities and has removed our sin as far as the east is from the west, that He knows our frame and remembers we are dust (Psalm 103).
Proverbs 28:13 tells us He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
The reason we conceal anything from Father is because we do not trust Him. We are afraid of Him so we try to hide what we have done from Him.
We need to get to the point where we have no fear of Father and we trust that when we go to Him in whatever state we find ourselves, He will always take us in, hold us close, and reveal to us His never-ending, all-abounding love.
When we hide from God, we are following the way of Adam.
Job 31:33 If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom
When we hide from God, it is not healthy for us:
Psalm 32:
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
And when we [finally] turn to Father and reveal our hearts to Him:
Psalm 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
I realize these are OT Scriptures, written prior to Pentecost and the outpouring of HS, but we also read that whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope (Rom 15:4).
We can learn from these great men and women of God who went before us in faith and wrote those things that helped them in their time of distress, sorrow, anger at themselves because they stumbled.
Does our not confessing mean that we are no longer sons of the Most High God? No!
However, when we go to Father and have our heart-to-heart with Him, it clears our minds and frees us up.
Amen!
I agree with you that "confessing sin" is for us and is not for getting "additional forgiveness." Confessing who we are in Christ and what He has done is also good for us as well.
The truth is - there are no New Testament scriptures that speak directly to the believer in Christ who has already acknowledged they have sins when they received Christ to continually confess them "in order" to receive forgiveness. They simply do not exist.
If this was needed and so important in order to get "additional forgiveness or to restore fellowship" - you would think Paul would have spoken about it at least a dozen times in his letters to the churches. But not one time is it mentioned.
It is an Old Covenant doctrine as can be seen by David. How he longed for the day where we stand in this grace when he said "How blessed is the man who the Lord will not impute sin."
Romans 4:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
I too have noticed when I confess my sins to the Lord - that there is a settling within my own mind.
I believe in the confessing of sins as I have said many times as well as the confessing of every good thing that is in me in Christ. Philemon 1:6
Here is what I do when I sin.
I love to kneel quickly and tell my Father how I trust in Him. How what I did was wrong.
Sometimes I use the word sin and sometimes I don't. I think that is irrelevant.
I run to my Father and tell Him how that His Son is my Lord and is my life and my righteousness - that Jesus' Blood has secured my redemption and forgiveness of sins. I confess what God says about me. I tell Him I love Him and trust in Him.
I have not asked for forgiveness in order to be forgiven for quite some time now because I believe in what Christ has already done for me on the cross and resurrection....but I always talk with my Lord about what I do or don't do.
You know - He always loves on me and tells me He loves me and that He is my life and strength. Sometimes I have felt a warm liquid like feeling of pure love fall on me and I just sit there in His presence and weep. I can't move a muscle. He is so mighty in power yet His love and total acceptance is the most overwhelming aspect of His presence.
To me - all sin is relational. All sin is a failure to see the life of Christ in me. I am ignorant of His life in me. To me - most outward sin is just a "fruit" of the real sin.
For example - If I steal something - that is a sin but the real sin behind that is the failure to recognize my Father will take care of me. I am operating in the flesh. I want to take things into my own hand and "do" things.
The other part is when you see how horrid it really is when we mess up....sin....transgress.... whatever term you want to use.
..what I see is my unbelief in the goodness and love of my Father and Lord Jesus for me. That is the horrid part because I know that is not Their character nor is it really my true nature now and what He has made me in Christ.
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Hi EG., This happens every month or so. The green monster
Mostly., imo some don't want Bruce teaching. But Bruce is a good brother and actually is a good teacher. He has a gift and is using it for the Lord. So God bless him and anyone who desires to be used of the Lord for the benefit of other believers and also the unsaved for that matter who come here on CC.
It's just too bad that the green monster has to come out at all. Childish old Christians should grow up!
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Hi EG., This happens every month or so. The green monster
Mostly., imo some don't want Bruce teaching. But Bruce is a good brother and actually is a good teacher. He has a gift and is using it for the Lord. So God bless him and anyone who desires to be used of the Lord for the benefit of other believers and also the unsaved for that matter who come here on CC.
It's just too bad that the green monster has to come out at all. Childish old Christians should grow up!
Bruce is not a teacher. He is a salesman and sells himself in this forum.
he does not teach the word...he posts copy/pastes from the sites he goes to
green monster? that would be funny if you did not think it true
this is a discussion forum. not a teaching platform
the actual problem may be YOUR personal perception of him as YOUR teacher but stating anyone is jealous of him is just foolish
you are making an emotional plea here for some reason and it does not sound right
there are actual teachers on this site but they discuss. they don't go around claiming to be teachers nor do they constantly call others slanderers, full of malice and other choice descriptions bruce has claimed towards those who simply disagree with his copy/pastes
your sentiment is personal. not shared by anyone I know and if there are 6 people here who think the same as you, well, let's remember that some people need their egos stroked
what is going on here is simply a minor personality cult, nothing to do with jealousy
there is nothing to be jealous of. I have no emotions involved here but it seems some people do
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I mean honestly
what next
I've heard it all now.
I think people who think they should be teaching should probably go and do that on their own blog
this is a discussion forum
it seems that certain people think we should all hush up when they start 'talking'
that's pretty telling. this is not about one person and I question why a few people think it is
it's a bit odd IMO
what next
I've heard it all now.
I think people who think they should be teaching should probably go and do that on their own blog
this is a discussion forum
it seems that certain people think we should all hush up when they start 'talking'
that's pretty telling. this is not about one person and I question why a few people think it is
it's a bit odd IMO
I agree with you dcon., But the Bible mentions about being cleansed from a guilty conscience. Shouldn't we find out what that means? Hebrews 10:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]let us draw near with a true heart in [SUP][a][/SUP]fulness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil [SUP][b][/SUP]conscience: and having our body washed with pure water,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]let us hold fast the confession of our hope that it waver not; for he is faithful that promised: [SUP]24 [/SUP]and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and good works;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as ye see the day drawing nigh. American Standard
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22 [/SUP]Let us all come forward and draw near with true (honest and sincere) hearts in unqualified assurance and absolute conviction engendered by faith (by [SUP][a][/SUP]that leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness), having our hearts sprinkled and purified from a guilty (evil) conscience and our bodies cleansed with pure water. Amplified
I think our consciences need an overhaul as well. Many Christians suffer from a guilty conscience when they are no longer guilty. And many., like me have been kept from going to the throne of grace and finding help in time of need because of listening and following a guilty conscience that should not have been followed.