Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?

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You are correct in saying that the entire Bible speaks truth to everyone who reads it.

Grace777X70 is correct in his belief that taking note of who an epistle is specifically addressed to can alert you to culturally unique problems that are being addressed.
understanding who specifically or to which people group the author was writing to is practical, but throwing it out entirely because of who it was addressed to is not practical or wise...

I hear this argument when I preach or teach out of Philemon all the time...
 
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Hebrews 10

36For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
I love Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

According to HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies, patience is "endurance, steadfastness, especially as God enables the believer to "remain (endure) under" the challenges He allots in life".

And Thayer's Greek Lexicon defines it as "in the N. T. the characteristic of a man who is unswerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings".

It is God Who gives us the patience we need in order to endure whatever trial we are facing in order that we remain steadfast and unmoveable.

I remember teaching this verse to my kids when they were very young. I would be cooking their dinner and they'd be at my feet howling that they were hungry (like they were going to die if they didn't eat right then and there). I would explain to them that I was cooking and it would be ready in a little bit. I started teaching them that verse. After a while I would say "For ye have need of ..." and they would say "PATIENCE!!!" They were not happy. But they did learn the verse and it has served them well. :)

Of course, ultimately the "promise" we are waiting to receive is the return of our Lord Jesus Christ – For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry (Heb 10:37).

And until then the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul (Heb 10:38-39).

And then we have Heb 11, which sets forth the lives of those OT believers who lived by faith, saw the promises afar off (Heb 11:13), obtained a good report through faith, but received not the promise (Heb 11:39).

And as we look at those believers, we are pointed to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of faith (Heb 12).

So, can we stand firm and steadfast? Sure we can! We have the Lord Jesus Christ living within us, infusing us with whatever is needed in order that we may be steadfast and unmovable, and victorious over any situation in which we find ourselves.


 
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While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26:26-28


Forgiveness cost Jesus His life. He approached the cross willingly for love. No greater love is there than that someone would lay down his life for his brother/friend. Jesus laid down His life for His enemies.


To not forgive someone when you are a Christian, to me, would be like trampling on the blood of Jesus. It's not a minor thing. It's serious. Forgiveness if bought with Christ's precious blood and to shed that blood, he went through agony. He was simply shot with a bullet or speared through.


He was mocked, spit upon, slapped, called names, ridiculed, made fun of. He was beaten and tortured and if all that wasn't enough, He suffered the worst death, death on a cross.


To not forgive, is trampling all over what Jesus has done on the cross for the forgiveness of sin.
Unforgiveness allows satan an advantage: 2 Corinthians 2:10-11 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
 
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I guess we should not be surprised since we are told this would happen.. sign of the times.

Hebrews must be a challenge for certain belief systems it seems... either they won't teach it or teach what it "really" means seems to be the vibe..
I know a passage in Hebrews that refutes th doctrine that says we do not suffer for the cause of Christ...and that is why some do not talk about Hebrews

Hebrews 5.7-10

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
 

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I love Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

According to HELPS[SUP]TM[/SUP] Word-studies, patience is "endurance, steadfastness, especially as God enables the believer to "remain (endure) under" the challenges He allots in life".

And Thayer's Greek Lexicon defines it as "in the N. T. the characteristic of a man who is unswerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings".

It is God Who gives us the patience we need in order to endure whatever trial we are facing in order that we remain steadfast and unmoveable.

I remember teaching this verse to my kids when they were very young. I would be cooking their dinner and they'd be at my feet howling that they were hungry (like they were going to die if they didn't eat right then and there). I would explain to them that I was cooking and it would be ready in a little bit. I started teaching them that verse. After a while I would say "For ye have need of ..." and they would say "PATIENCE!!!" They were not happy. But they did learn the verse and it has served them well. :)

Of course, ultimately the "promise" we are waiting to receive is the return of our Lord Jesus Christ – For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry (Heb 10:37).

And until then the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul (Heb 10:38-39).

And then we have Heb 11, which sets forth the lives of those OT believers who lived by faith, saw the promises afar off (Heb 11:13), obtained a good report through faith, but received not the promise (Heb 11:39).

And as we look at those believers, we are pointed to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of faith (Heb 12).

So, can we stand firm and steadfast? Sure we can! We have the Lord Jesus Christ living within us, infusing us with whatever is needed in order that we may be steadfast and unmovable, and victorious over any situation in which we find ourselves.


Could you please say plainly what you mean?
 
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right

so you will be sending money and Bibles to persecuted Christians in China? or possibly moving there to demonstrate the North American lifestyle and how much they are missing out on because they do not understand scripture like you do? or Prince does?

and eastern Europe?

tell the persecuted they lack faith

WOF is such a despicable me me me centered false teaching

do people not understand how much NT testament has to be ignored, twisted and glossed over to arrive at WOF teachings?

I am sure some will think I am rude...well of course...but this is a reality check. stay tuned. if they come to YOUR door to drag you out into the streets, will you wave your Bible and claim health and wealth or call on Abraham's blessing without the cost?
This one shuts them up every-time....Yeah, Hebrews dude be talkin about Jesus down there...

Hebrews 5.7-10

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
 
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That is what it is all about...

I once thought GOD loved the rich people more.. thanks to some tv preaching.. One lady implied I don't want to wait for the riches in heaven I want some now as in money.. you bet an amen followed...

The Bible reveals the intent of the heart.
and her gospel can be yours all for a seed offering of $199.99 USD
 

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I know a passage in Hebrews that refutes th doctrine that says we do not suffer for the cause of Christ...and that is why some do not talk about Hebrews

Hebrews 5.7-10

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Did anyone say that there is no suffering for Christ? We labor under false understanding until we come into the knowledge of truth. Of the complete salvation of Jesus Christ to the world, if the world just knew.

We are here for the understanding of what true grace means. Then will one be able to teach and be partners with Holy Spirit in giving the message of the victory of the Cross, and the resurrection life that we have access to now...freely.

False teaching is like throwing mud on new clean clothes.
 
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It is indeed a good thing to provoke each other to good works just as Hebrews speaks about amongst us believers in Christ.

An example of "good works" are when we encourage people to actually believe what Jesus has said and what He has already done. It is a good work to encourage Christians to believe that He alone has obtained eternal redemption for us. Heb. 9:12

Right believing in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and that we too have died with Him and rose to newness of life - will bring right thinking ( repentance ) which will manifest in His life being seen in our lives outwardly as His fruit is borne on us the branches.

This is what produces real godliness based on Christ alone by grace through faith.


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we have received Christ - so we walk in Him. Col. 2:6-8

This is all done by grace through faith alone in Christ and what He has already done on the cross and resurrection.


Without Him - we can do nothing.

It is a "good work" to encourage people to trust that He who has begun a good work in you will perfect it. (Phil. 1:6)

It is a "good work" to encourage Christians to believe that we are new creations in Christ ( 2 Cor. 5:17 )

It is a "good work" to encourage Christians that Christ alone is our wisdom, our righteousness and our sanctification and our redemption. ( 1 Cor. 1:30 )

It is a "good work" to encourage Christians to believe that we are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and no amount of good works can save us nor "keep us saved". Christ alone is the Savior of the world - especially of believers. ( Eph. 2:8-19 & 1 Tim. 4:10 )

It is a "good work" to encourage Christians that we will walk in the good works that God has already prepare for us to walk in as His life becomes manifested in and through us to reveal the love and grace of our loving Father and our Lord has for others. ( Eph. 2:10 & Phil. 2:13 )

It is a "good work" for us to encourage Christians that we are safe in the hands of the Lord and we who truly believe have been sealed by the Holy Spirit and He will be in us forever - just like Jesus said. ( Eph. 1:13, 4:20 & John 14:16 )

It is also a "good work" to remind Christians that there is a warning for not relying on the life of Christ in us for life and living while on this earth.

All the works of the flesh will bring destruction in this life of some sort - whether living the homosexual lifestyle or the exhibiting of malice, outbursts of anger, deceitfulness or the slandering of others in the body of Christ.

Fail to rely on the grace of God that is only in Christ's finished work and trying to do things in our own flesh will not get us to experience the life of Christ that is in our inner man of the heart where Christ dwells and where we are in the kingdom of God.

The warning scriptures are needed and to be heeded - once the proper foundation of Christ and His finished work are firmly established in the hearts and minds of us Christians. From there - then the warning scriptures will have their proper place.

If we want to experience our inheritance that is ours in Christ while we are in this earth - it's imperative that we don't live by the flesh.

But the firm foundation is Christ Himself and you can no more lose the redemption that is in Christ then Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.

We are beloved children of our loving Father and He will not throw His beloved children into hell and the lake of fire because they don't do enough "good works".

Where there is "security" - there are the nutrients for "maturity". Let's believe what Christ has said and what He has already done for us and grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.
 

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Please plainly let me know what you did not understand and I will try to explain.

Thanks.
Could you summarise your intention? Now I like you teaching your children patience... kids when hungry do hurry on dinners..

But other than that just plainly say what you meant toward the Scripture.. but if not then no worries for whoever understands it.. can receive it.

thank you kindly.
 
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Good post! And what you said in the other post about Hebrews bears repeating too. The whole Bible is written FOR us., so all of it is to be read and seen and studied. BUT while the whole Bible is written FOR us to read and learn from., certain verses and sections were not written "to" us but to and for a specific person or persons.

Just as you shared in your post., to get that mixed up and take something for ourselves that is meant for the Jew and try to apply it under the new covenant is not rightly dividing the Word of Truth. And why so many Christians have put themselves back under the law.
So are you not going to apply everything in the book of Romans to your life either? You do know Romans was also written to the Jews and not to gentiles, right?

Better throw out 3 of the 4 Gospels as well....Matthew was written to Jews, Mark to the Greeks and Romans, Luke to the Greeks, better not apply everything from them either...oh wait...you probably don't anyway since Jesus was under the law...

Personal question...are you and G7 married or a couple? you guys sure act that way...
 
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Did anyone say that there is no suffering for Christ? We labor under false understanding until we come into the knowledge of truth. Of the complete salvation of Jesus Christ to the world, if the world just knew.

We are here for the understanding of what true grace means. Then will one be able to teach and be partners with Holy Spirit in giving the message of the victory of the Cross, and the resurrection life that we have access to now...freely.

False teaching is like throwing mud on new clean clothes.
Jesus "promised" us suffering. Paul also promised that we would be persecuted too.

2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

To live godly is to rely on Christ's righteousness and holiness for life and living which is by grace through faith and His life will manifest itself as "deeds of righteousness".

Paul also said this:

2 Timothy 2:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.


Peter said that we are not to suffer as an evil-doer but if we suffer because we are Christians that is pleasing to God.

1 Peter 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.

Favor
here is the Greek word for grace.
 
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Children of GOD:

1 John 3

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


I believe John.
 
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Brethren - don't fall for the "baiting". It has a purpose.

Guard your hearts.

Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

Keep proclaiming the glorious gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. He will be faithful to all of us!