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[iamsoandso]

Would you care to quote from Josephus soandso - that's quite a lot of text to read.

lol, would it not be more interesting if they just read it from beginning to end and kept everything in context? what if they notice the things about "statue" or what they were accused of "impiety" you know all the times that an earthen vessel was turned bottom up and birds were sacrificed on it and how the Jews reacted? What about...?

 

[Locutus]

I see, so we have to do all the work. As I expected.

 

[iamsoandso]

I see, so we have to do all the work. As I expected.

lol, see it from a futurist/disp. perspective,lol all this time they have spent proving Josephus as not valid and sticking their finger in their mouth like their gagging when it is mentioned,,,lol, have pity on them they probably don’t realize how damaging it actually is to if the Jew worshipped Caesar or not...

 

[Locutus]

Whether they truly worshiped Caesar or not I dunno, with a "sword" to their heads I'm guessing some of them submitted to the actions required to keep it in place.

 

[iamsoandso]

Whether they truly worshiped Caesar or not I dunno, with a "sword" to their heads I'm guessing some of them submitted to the actions required to keep it in place.

There then we know who is ignorant of it and who hopes none have read it...

 

[Bladerunner]

Mark 14
[FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]61 [/B][/FONT]But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR="#0000CD"] If you will remember, the Priest have all day been beating and questioning Jesus... Having gotten not satisfactory answers out of Him, The Chief Priest lays down the Blasphemy card...Yeah that is right,,,He is asking him if HE is GOD.


[FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]62 [/B][/FONT]And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR="#0000CD"]As the verse 62 states, Jesus told him with the FInal Authority..."I am", Then he adds something that most people who symbolize/allegorize scriptures miss....Ah you did..?????? Jesus even calls the High Priest out with "YE". There is no one else involved here except the High Priest "Ye".

Think about it,,,where is the High Priest going to see Jesus. Is He a believer,,,NO....Where will Jesus be setting at the White Throne Judgement???....oh yeah, this High Priest is going to see him and when His Father ask about this man, Jesus will tell Him, 'I know Him NOT';

There is another part of this verse that seems to have you baffled???? "and coming in the clouds of heaven."....Yes His soul will see Him coming in the Clouds for His 2nd Advent. Yes, the Souls who are Dead will see Him...

Check out Rev. 1:7....." Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

WHo are the ones who pierced HIM...HERE He tells everyone that ALL PEOPLE and their SOULS on Earth will see HIM coming in the Clouds.






[FONT="]63 Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?

OK,the high priest did not see that. It is OBVIOUSLY FUTURE.

But,under your rule of understanding ,we must conclude,Jesus' second coming in power,has already happened[/FONT]

Yes, He will see this priest and all other souls who have die as non-believers. Even those in HELL!.

Now as far as your little snippit toward me, I try to narrate the answer. Too many on this forum use verse after verse to prove what they say, yet what it is actually doing is preventing some or most people from reading them at all.

If Mark14:62 gives you a problem, one might compare them to Mat 26:64; Luke 22:66-71.

If you wish to discuss something let's do it right, Literal, Historical and Grammatical....

I hope this helps.

 

[oldhermit]

Yes, He will see this priest and all other souls who have die as non-believers. Even those in HELL!.

Now as far as your little snippit toward me, I try to narrate the answer. Too many on this forum use verse after verse to prove what they say, yet what it is actually doing is preventing some or most people from reading them at all.

If Mark14:62 gives you a problem, one might compare them to Mat 26:64; Luke 22:66-71.

If you wish to discuss something let's do it right, Literal, Historical and Grammatical....

I hope this helps.

That post was not from me, it was by heartofdavid.

 

[Locutus]

Who thought this one out:

As the verse 62 states, Jesus told him with the FInal Authority..."I am", Then he adds something that most people who symbolize/allegorize scriptures miss....Ah you did..?????? Jesus even calls the High Priest out with "YE". There is no one else involved here except the High Priest "Ye".

Maybe you should have read a little further and before boyo (but this is typical of the sloppy work of futurists.


(Mark 14:62 KJV) And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

(Mark 14:63 KJV) Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?

(Mark 14:64 KJV) Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

(Mark 14:65 KJV) And some began to spit on him, and to cover his face, and to buffet him, and to say unto him, Prophesy: and the servants did strike him with the palms of their hands.

Nope the high priest wasn't a lone ranger here boyo.

(Mark 14:55 KJV) And the chief priests and all the council sought for witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found none.

(Mark 14:60 KJV) And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?

Maybe the high priest stood in the mist.....

Nice try though..

 

[Locutus]

That post was not from me, it was by heartofdavid.

I can't find where popeye said....me eyes must be getting dim.

 

[stonesoffire]

No reason to apologize for allegorical apologetics. Without parables the word of Christ speaks not. The whole book of Revelation is signified using the things seen to give us the spiritual understand of that not seen the eternal.... hid from those who seek after a signs and wonders gospel . Christ called them a evil generation .The generation of Adam natural man marked with the number 666. Not the generation of Christ the new creation. 777

What is the number of natural unconverted man, as a beast of the field (formed from the dust) if not 666 or 2/3 ?

Why the buying and selling in respect to the worldly goods and not buying and selling in respect to spiritual truth?

Pro 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.



As far as a big awakening he will come as a thief in the night on the last day (not days plural) .Not Hollywood style.

I was thinking along this line too Garee. The unredeemed man. And the mark? The character. Isn't there a phrase " the mark of his character"?

The proverbs application really fits too. Brilliant!

 

[Locutus]

The un-redeemed man - Markus.

 

[stonesoffire]

The un-redeemed man - Markus.

Good one Locutus!

 

[Katy-follower]

We know that the "love" relationship between Jerusalem (aka the whore of Babylon) and her lovers (Romans emperors) came to an end in the 1st century AD when they "sought her life".

Clear scripture evidence that the whore is not Jerusalem....


Rev 17:4: "The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls"

("The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet... the prectoral cross should be made of gold and decorated with gems" (Our Sunday visitor's Catholic encyclopedia, 1991, pg 175,178,466)


Jerusalem does not fit because there were 4 colors given by God, to be worn by the priests in Israel - gold, blue, purple and scarlet (Exodus 28). This color blue is not mentioned in Rev 17:4, therefore it cannot be Jerusalem.

Numbers 15:37-40: Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God"

 

[garee]

I would offer it’s never about the political kingdoms of this world. Not Rome against Jerusalem , or USA against North Korea .as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood.

Satan deceives the whole world not just the Christian world. He is the fathers of lies in respect to all the kingdoms of this world to include Buddhism, Satanism, Judaism ... all who refuse the gospel of Christ.

The scriptures use two women to represent mankind as if they were two cities. Remembering without parables used to hide the spiritual understanding from the strange woman.....natural unconverted mankind , or called the evil generation... without parables the Holy Spirit ,Christ spoke not.

The strange woman is used to represent all the kingdoms or denominations of the world .The other the city coming down prepared as the chaste virgin bride of the kingdom of God which is not of this world.
Earthly Jerusalem is used to represent the strange and heavenly new Jerusalem(not seen) to represent His bride.

Rev 17:4: "The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearl

The description above is the strange woman, the harlot, one that has fornicated with the gods of this world not having
the imputed righteousness of Christ, clothing her as the Sun which his chaste virgin bride the church.

The reformation has come. The use of the temporal flesh of Jew in ceremonial laws to point to the invisible glory of God served its purpose of pointing ahead as a shadow of our suffering husband Christ. .

The veil is rent why look to the flesh of a Jew as a living hope as if the reformation had not come?

And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. Mar 11:13

Satan will not volunteer to give up all of the kingdoms of this world he will be cut off a . Not all Israel is Israel as his chaste born again virgin bride.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

He will not reign in the flesh on this corrupted creation .The one time outward demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from the foundation of the world is all he promised. He did not say he will come again and again as the Son of man. Its those who crucify him over and over that do look for the flesh .

God is not a man as us. never was never could have a mother and father beginning of days or end of eternal Spirit life.

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known "Christ after the flesh", yet now "henceforth" know we him no more.

Two women, two cities. One seen by walking by sight ( the temporal earthly) the other walking by the faith of God that comes from hearing His voice thought the scripture.( the eternal heavenly)

Proverbs 2:16 To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words;


Proverbs 5:3 For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:


Proverbs 5:20 And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?


Proverbs 6:24 To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman.


Proverbs 7:5 That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.


Proverbs 20:16 Take his garment that is surety for a stranger: and take a pledge of him for a strange woman.


Proverbs 23:27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.


Proverbs 27:13 Take his garment that is surety for a stranger, and take a pledge of him for a strange woman.