There is only ONE saving gospel

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KingdomGeneration

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This debate has been going on for centuries. If there is one thing that I have learned from researching this issue is that we have absolutely no business casting judgment on the salvation of others in the name of doctrinal / denominational bias despite which side of this fence we make our stand. To do so is nothing short of prideful and nothing less than sin.
 
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carpetmanswife

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This debate has been going on for centuries. If there is one thing that I have learned from researching this issue is that we have absolutely no business casting judgment on the salvation of others in the name of doctrinal / denominational bias despite which side of this fence we make our stand. To do so is nothing short of prideful and nothing less than sin.
AMEN!!!! ..........
 
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roaringkitten

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#43
This debate has been going on for centuries. If there is one thing that I have learned from researching this issue is that we have absolutely no business casting judgment on the salvation of others in the name of doctrinal / denominational bias despite which side of this fence we make our stand. To do so is nothing short of prideful and nothing less than sin.

A person who believes they must maintain good works to remain saved, by their very own testimony, they believe they have a part in maintaining it. Therefore, they are believing a works gospel.
 
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Sinnner

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This debate has been going on for centuries. If there is one thing that I have learned from researching this issue is that we have absolutely no business casting judgment on the salvation of others in the name of doctrinal / denominational bias despite which side of this fence we make our stand. To do so is nothing short of prideful and nothing less than sin.

A person who believes they must maintain good works to remain saved, by their very own testimony, they believe they have a part in maintaining it. Therefore, they are believing a works gospel.
It is not works to continually ask for forgivness, it is exercising the gift of forgiveness given to us by Jesus on the cross. You are pushing a new age doctrine.
 
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kujo313

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Since the time of Paul, THERE IS NOTHING NEW!

Galatians 1:6-9

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.


I don't care what Muhammad "said" 600 years ago. I don't care what saint so-and-so "said" in the 2nd Century. I don't care what John Smith "said". I don't care what the current "pope" says.
If it does't line up with Scripture, as the Bureans in the book of Acts looked up, I don't want to hear it.

You shouldn't either.
 
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KingdomGeneration

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#46
This debate has been going on for centuries. If there is one thing that I have learned from researching this issue is that we have absolutely no business casting judgment on the salvation of others in the name of doctrinal / denominational bias despite which side of this fence we make our stand. To do so is nothing short of prideful and nothing less than sin.

A person who believes they must maintain good works to remain saved, by their very own testimony, they believe they have a part in maintaining it. Therefore, they are believing a works gospel.
So you feel it is your place to judge what the Holy Spirit is doing in the lives of others?
 
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Abing

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haha
I strongly believe in what I believed, and I'm sure ya'll believe in what have believed ever since.. so what's the point? lol, hmm well btw, this thread serves as a reference though ;)
 
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roaringkitten

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So you feel it is your place to judge what the Holy Spirit is doing in the lives of others?

I think you misunderstand. It is my place to contend for the faith. It is my place to expose false teachers and warn the body of Christ of false gospels. It is my place to get my beliefs FROM the Word. Not from denominations, not from the pope, not from popular teachers,etc.....I have just responded to what the Word clearly states in regards to our works. Isaiah 8:20 says if it doesn't match with with Word it is because there is NO light in it!
 
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Sinnner

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So you feel it is your place to judge what the Holy Spirit is doing in the lives of others?

I think you misunderstand. It is my place to contend for the faith. It is my place to expose false teachers and warn the body of Christ of false gospels. It is my place to get my beliefs FROM the Word. Not from denominations, not from the pope, not from popular teachers,etc.....I have just responded to what the Word clearly states in regards to our works. Isaiah 8:20 says if it doesn't match with with Word it is because there is NO light in it!
But thats not what you are doing. You have derived you beliefs from new age popular teachings. Once again I will state the fact that eternal salvation has only been taught fo the past 500 years. Your statments indicate that you believe that the "correct" gospel has only been around for 500 years.
 
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roaringkitten

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But thats not what you are doing. You have derived you beliefs from new age popular teachings. Once again I will state the fact that eternal salvation has only been taught fo the past 500 years. Your statments indicate that you believe that the "correct" gospel has only been around for 500 years.

You are completely misled......Nowhere have you proved this is new age doctrine. You believed this by opinions of early fathers(based on the link you gave me).....btw, it doesn't matter what denomination one holds......If they believe in their good works for salvation then they believed a lie. That's what the Word says. You have rarely posted Scripture on here to back up your statements.
 
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Sinnner

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But thats not what you are doing. You have derived you beliefs from new age popular teachings. Once again I will state the fact that eternal salvation has only been taught fo the past 500 years. Your statments indicate that you believe that the "correct" gospel has only been around for 500 years.

You are completely misled......Nowhere have you proved this is new age doctrine. You believed this by opinions of early fathers(based on the link you gave me).....btw, it doesn't matter what denomination one holds......If they believe in their good works for salvation then they believed a lie. That's what the Word says. You have rarely posted Scripture on here to back up your statements.
Show me where I have said it is works that save you, you are twisting everything I say. Do you really think that I believe if I wash the preachers car I am going to be saved????I havent posted as many scriptures because we are speaking of interpretations of the Gospel. Therefore the link I gave you is relevent, it is an interpretation from the early church fathers. It is proff that eternal salvation was never even heard of until 500 years ago. Therefore according to your statments you also believe that for the first 1500 years of Christianity that everyone went to hell. Thats ludicrous.
 
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roaringkitten

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Show me where I have said it is works that save you, you are twisting everything I say. Do you really think that I believe if I wash the preachers car I am going to be saved????I havent posted as many scriptures because we are speaking of interpretations of the Gospel. Therefore the link I gave you is relevent, it is an interpretation from the early church fathers. It is proff that eternal salvation was never even heard of until 500 years ago. Therefore according to your statments you also believe that for the first 1500 years of Christianity that everyone went to hell. Thats ludicrous.
I dont believe my recent post said you believed good works saves you. You are misunderstood...BTW, who were these early fathers? That site you linked looked to me like a catholic site......correct me if Im wrong.
 
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Sinnner

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I think you misunderstand. It is my place to contend for the faith. It is my place to expose false teachers and warn the body of Christ of false gospels. It is my place to get my beliefs FROM the Word. Not from denominations, not from the pope, not from popular teachers,etc.....I have just responded to what the Word clearly states in regards to our works. Isaiah 8:20 says if it doesn't match with with Word it is because there is NO light in it!
No not catholic, Christian. Right here was your reference to works.^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
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roaringkitten

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yes I referenced works.....I clearly did not allude that you believe in works.....But to "those" that believe in works.....I really dont know your position, since it really makes no sense....Show me a Scripture that shows a Christian will become unsaved after time went by not repenting of particular sins in their life.
 
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Sinnner

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yes I referenced works.....I clearly did not allude that you believe in works.....But to "those" that believe in works.....I really dont know your position, since it really makes no sense....Show me a Scripture that shows a Christian will become unsaved after time went by not repenting of particular sins in their life.
What else is the will of the Father that we may please Him so that we can go to Heaven? Jesus says in Luke 13:3, "I tell you, no; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish." It is either repent or perish; the choice is ours. But Satan does not want us to repent. Acts 17:30, "Truly these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent." All people everywhere, and that includes you and me, are commanded of God to repent. Repent of what? Repent of our sins. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves; and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8). Repent of not fully serving and following all that God says.
God is pleading with us to repent. He greatly desires that we turn to him. He tells us in 2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." God wants us to repent so we can be saved. He is patiently waiting on us. But eventually our time will run out. The longer we put off repentance, the harder our heart gets.
Repentance is not just being sorry. 2 Corinthians 7:10 says, "For Godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death." If one is only sorry he got caught, then this will not lead to repentance. Godly sorrow helps bring on repentance. Repentance is not sorrow for sin, but one cannot repent without being sorry he has sinned. “Let the wicked forsake his way…let him return to the Lord, and He will have mercy on him…for He will abundantly pardon” (Isaiah 55:7). In repentance, one must first understand he has sinned, feel sorrow for the sin, and then stop and turn away from that sin. Repentance is a change of heart and a change of mind. We must make up our mind to stop living life our way and start living it God’s way. It is making up our mind that henceforth we are going to serve God with all our might and do everything He says. Matthew 22:37, "Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." In other words, we must do it with all of our being.
Paul says, “Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!” (Romans 6:1-2). To show our repentance we are to “Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance” (Matthew 3:8). Why should we repent of sins? “For the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Spiritual death is separation from God in eternity. Unless one repents he cannot go to Heaven, but will eternally suffer the torments of Hell. We must give up our sin and “Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body” (Romans 6:12). “He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses and forsakes his sin shall have mercy” (Proverbs 28:13).
Repentance is a change of heart, which results in a change of actions for the better. Without repentance we cannot receive forgiveness and be saved. Where we spend eternity, in Heaven or Hell, is determined by our repentance. All of Heaven is anxious for us to repent. Jesus says, “Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents” (Luke 15:10).
[SIZE=+1] Romans 2:4 says, "Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing the goodness of God leads you to repentance." God has been so good to us, and this should cause us to want to please Him in every way. God, because of His love for us, has done so much for us, and because of this we read in I John 4:19, "We love Him, because He first loved us." This should cause us to want to repent and do all the things that He has asked us to do, otherwise we do not love God. Jesus said in John 14:24, "He who does not love Me, does not keep my words." 1 John 2:4 says, "He who says 'I know Him', and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Do you know and love God and Christ? If you do, you will want to do everything that He says. In John 14:15 Jesus says, "If you love Me keep My commandments." Are you willing to show your love to God by repenting?
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roaringkitten

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One, where did you get that commentary from?

Two, that says NOTHING about a Christian losing his salvation but of the unsaved repenting towards God.

In repentance, one must first understand he has sinned, feel sorrow for the sin, and then stop and turn away from that sin.

Repentance is turning from unbelief to belief(turning from the sin of unbelief) in the Savior for the forgiveness of their sins. Fruits of repentance is wanting to stop sinning and serve Christ(discipleship)......The "feeling sorrow" for that sin is being convicted of their sins, and is a fruit of genuine repentance. The first part of the comment is true, we must realize our sinful state before God. The part I highlighted in red is ****able heresy(works gospel in disguise). Because it requires the sinner to STOP sinning to come to Christ. We come to Christ because we cant deal with our sins! I made a thread speaking of "Biblical repentance" which speaks of this common false belief about what repentance means......I suggest you take a look.
 
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Sinnner

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One, where did you get that commentary from?

Two, that says NOTHING about a Christian losing his salvation but of the unsaved repenting towards God.

In repentance, one must first understand he has sinned, feel sorrow for the sin, and then stop and turn away from that sin.

Repentance is turning from unbelief to belief(turning from the sin of unbelief) in the Savior for the forgiveness of their sins. Fruits of repentance is wanting to stop sinning and serve Christ(discipleship)......The "feeling sorrow" for that sin is being convicted of their sins, and is a fruit of genuine repentance. The first part of the comment is true, we must realize our sinful state before God. The part I highlighted in red is ****able heresy(works gospel in disguise). Because it requires the sinner to STOP sinning to come to Christ. We come to Christ because we cant deal with our sins! I made a thread speaking of "Biblical repentance" which speaks of this common false belief about what repentance means......I suggest you take a look.
All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved (Matt. 10:22).

Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them, “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to” (Luke 13:23, 24).


In this last passage, Jesus answered the question about being saved by mentioning entering through the kingdom doors. He also stated we will need personal effort to get in. This is Jesus’ teaching, not mine or some other Christian’s. Jesus taught an instant salvation through repenting and submissively trusting in himself for salvation, but also taught a continuous effort on man’s part (to stay spiritually alive) to enter God’s kingdom doors. A raging spiritual battle is going on with the forces of darkness as they try to lead you astray and cause you to fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4); shipwreck your faith in Jesus (1 Tim. 1:19,20); get you to become immoral, impure and greedy (Eph. 5:5-7); etc.


When God opens your eyes to these truths, the Bible makes much more sense, especially when studying the words eternal life. The salvation-related term eternal life becomes one’s personal possession when the repentant starts to follow or believes on Jesus for his soul’s salvation or as he turns from idols to serve God (1 Thess. 1:9). This is common knowledge and shown in John 6:47 and elsewhere. But most importantly, eternal life is shown to be something else, which reflects an aspect of it which you do not now have and only will if you endure to the end through persecution (Mt. 10:22) which will come because of godly living (2 Tim. 3:12), hold firm to the end of your life (Heb. 3:14) and remain faithful to God until our physical death (Rev. 2:10,11). Paul taught the same in different words:

The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers (Gal. 6:8-10).


Clearly, eternal life is also reaped but only by those sowing to please the Spirit of God (in obedience). Hence, eternal life is a hope, as shown elsewhere in Scripture (Titus 1:2; 3:7).
 
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roaringkitten

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What else is the will of the Father that we may please Him so that we can go to Heaven?


"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:40

I find it odd this verse wasn't included in the long commentary of verses....because it shows us CLEARLY what the will of the Father is for us! BELIEVE IN THE SON....In order to believe in the Son, one must logically go from UNBELIEF to BELIEF("a change of mind"-repentance)

 
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roaringkitten

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Where are you getting these commentaries from Sinnner???
 
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carpetmanswife

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No matter how you look at it , no matter how many scriptures are thrown around, and there have been many. This whole conversation is just sad ,down right sad ,by the saved and unsaved alike.I wonder if yall even hear what it sounds like right now??
 
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