ROMANS 1
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the nation, friend hermit? i don't think i'm qualified to answer, but you know what makes my blood run cold each time i read it?
For though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks.
and then i think about the many times i have failed to give thanks, and how much i need His help in that.
i sorta think it applies to individuals, no? though you mean as a society?
For though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks.
and then i think about the many times i have failed to give thanks, and how much i need His help in that.
i sorta think it applies to individuals, no? though you mean as a society?
I have said the following numerous times and then been raked over the coals for it by "CHRISTIANS".
God is spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth <---what God requires
Democracy-->>Freedom of religion and worship God as you please
Which one is of God and which one eventually leads away from God and substitutes the doctrines of men?
God is spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth <---what God requires
Democracy-->>Freedom of religion and worship God as you please
Which one is of God and which one eventually leads away from God and substitutes the doctrines of men?
I think it's important to remember a couple of things, first America is not a democracy it's a republic and as such it values an individual's freedom very highly. Second, as God gave us free will it would seem that He also values an individual's freedom. Does this make it easier for we as a nation to ebb and flow with concerns to morals? Yes.
Another thought I often have when I hear people saying how this country or planet is regressing is that the people who say that do not really know history. Sure, the 1940s and 50s might seem like a more morally sound era in retrospect but consider that we as humans dropped 2 nuclear weapons during that time, racism was not only rampant but legal in most areas and we had McCarthyism as well as the Korean war.
I think that as we age we look back with rose colored glasses and tend to demonize the next generation while at the same time saying how good we had it.
Are there major issues today? Of course there are. Is it really much worse than it used to be or just different? That answer I think is not as clear if we look on the past honestly.
Another thought I often have when I hear people saying how this country or planet is regressing is that the people who say that do not really know history. Sure, the 1940s and 50s might seem like a more morally sound era in retrospect but consider that we as humans dropped 2 nuclear weapons during that time, racism was not only rampant but legal in most areas and we had McCarthyism as well as the Korean war.
I think that as we age we look back with rose colored glasses and tend to demonize the next generation while at the same time saying how good we had it.
Are there major issues today? Of course there are. Is it really much worse than it used to be or just different? That answer I think is not as clear if we look on the past honestly.
I dont see as it relfects the conscience of a particular nation, But Mankind as a whole, and also is a very clear look into the Nature of God and also, reflects How He treated Israel who would not harken to His Word
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
and then you look back to IsraelPsalm 81:10-12 "I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.11But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me.12So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.""
God is not to be taken Lightly as the Modern church has made the doctrine. He is faithful for certain, Both in the things we Like to Hear and the things that we would rather not Hear because they force us to change. christians eventually need to come to a place where they seek after Gods Word of instruction, rather than seeing the instruction and omitting it for the sake of the Word Grace.
as we see Here, God will eventually turn away from those who persist in conscious disobedience, as He has done in the past. So grace is meant to bring us into Obedience as chapter One begins with. Paul announces His purpose in the Gospel, and then Goes on to explain why in the rest of the chapter what Happens when we disregard the truth and fail to treat God as if He is God.
*cough, not one of the gentlemen, lol*
it seems this has always been so, or at least since the time of the writing of Romans 1.
am i nuts (rhetorical question), or does it look like the text is written about individuals? this is an honest question. i'm not saying it can't be applied to a nation, as it says "men", but am rather wondering about the way the text is written. thanks!
it seems this has always been so, or at least since the time of the writing of Romans 1.
am i nuts (rhetorical question), or does it look like the text is written about individuals? this is an honest question. i'm not saying it can't be applied to a nation, as it says "men", but am rather wondering about the way the text is written. thanks!
While much of Judaism was and remains apostate I don't know that the Jewish Christians at Rome would fit your description.
Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
8 ¶ First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Interesting that the epistle to the Romans is the only writing of Paul to a church that he had not as of that time visited. Paul seems to have addressed issues with a broad brush to cover all points in this epistle.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
8 ¶ First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Interesting that the epistle to the Romans is the only writing of Paul to a church that he had not as of that time visited. Paul seems to have addressed issues with a broad brush to cover all points in this epistle.
For the cause of Christ
Roger