We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us
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We have passed from death to life; John 5:24. There is nothing we can do to assist our salvation, or earn salvation. You teach otherwise, thus your gospel is at the most false, and perhaps you're teaching shows ignorance of many passages. I am banking on the latter for now. Stop preaching until you know what you're talking about. No, you do not know what you're talking about.
i'm interested to know what you think of this -
One of you will say to me:
“Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God?
“Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath — prepared for destruction?
(Romans 9:19-22)
“Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God?
“Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath — prepared for destruction?
(Romans 9:19-22)
of course i hope everyone seeing this will read more context than what i've quoted here, and think about it; i realize it's quite important. i only quoted a small poignant bit because i know that long posts are often skipped . .
i believe we often project our own humanity on God, and our imperfect ethos & understanding - perhaps we do that with this question too? He is sovereign - that much is indisputable, but how frightening & humbling might the implications of that fact be? how relevant is Romans 9 here? i dare not judge God, as though i know righteousness better than He!
John 5:24.
Here is your mistake, my dear brother. You take Scriptures that describe the actions of a transformed and truly converted believer and make them into something they have to do to help Jesus get them into heaven. Please understand. You are on the wrong path, doctrinally speaking. Saved means rescued from impending danger. This Jesus did completely when He saved us.
Here is your mistake, my dear brother. You take Scriptures that describe the actions of a transformed and truly converted believer and make them into something they have to do to help Jesus get them into heaven. Please understand. You are on the wrong path, doctrinally speaking. Saved means rescued from impending danger. This Jesus did completely when He saved us.
my dear don't I quote John 15 to say we do not able to bear fruit of ourself.
Matt 25 is thing we have to do, for salvation but it doesn't mean we able to do without Jesus.
before we able to do it, according to Jesus we go to hell. But to do so, we have to be abide in Him, not our own strength. So the credit belong to Him.
Matt 25 is thing we have to do, for salvation but it doesn't mean we able to do without Jesus.
before we able to do it, according to Jesus we go to hell. But to do so, we have to be abide in Him, not our own strength. So the credit belong to Him.
John 6:44
King James Version(KJV)
44.)No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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John 4:24
King James Version(KJV)
24.)God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH.
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A person can't just repeat some words after the priest tells him to say that he doesn't really mean,maybe trying to say he got saved,when he was really trying to Impress his parents or Impress a girl he likes or something that's wasn't true from the heart.
King James Version(KJV)
44.)No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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John 4:24
King James Version(KJV)
24.)God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH.
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A person can't just repeat some words after the priest tells him to say that he doesn't really mean,maybe trying to say he got saved,when he was really trying to Impress his parents or Impress a girl he likes or something that's wasn't true from the heart.
John 5:
24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Right there in that verse it says HOW we have passed from death to life. When we hear the gospel and believe on God who sent Jesus Christ. It meshes nicely with Eph 1:13
Eph 1:
13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Right there in that verse it says HOW we have passed from death to life. When we hear the gospel and believe on God who sent Jesus Christ. It meshes nicely with Eph 1:13
Eph 1:
13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:43
Reminds me of the old saying, you don't know what you have until it is gone.
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40
Reminds me of the old saying, you don't know what you have until it is gone.
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40
Bingo!!
You seem to fail to recognize the true state the lost are in. As Paul wrote And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.[Ephesians 2:1] The Greek word used for 'dead' is nekros and it means...
3498 nekrós (an adjective, derived from nekys, "a corpse, a dead body") – dead; literally, "what lacks life"; dead; (figuratively) not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions ("unable, ineffective, dead, powerless," L & N, 1, 74.28); unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.
3498 /nekrós ("corpse-like") is used as a noun in certain contexts ("the dead"), especially when accompanied by the Greek definite article. The phrase, ek nekron ("from the dead"), lacks the Greek article to give the sense "from what is of death."
This is what God has to overcome in these ppl who are spiritually dead before they can even to begin to seek Him. The lost man is one who is devoid of God's Spirit and his heart hates Him, is His enemy. That's why we can read For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.[Romans 8:5-8] Here are the two types of ppl in the world, the lost and the saved, the unregenerate and the regenerate. Those who are lost, those who unregenerate, have minds that are hostile towards God, its not subject to His laws, it is not able to submit itself to God and His laws, and they are in the flesh as lost, unregenerate ppl, and can not please Him. Remember, those who love Him have been(already done) born of Him.[1 John 4:7] The birth via the Spirit is what precludes any positive response for the lost person.
Because He deemed it necessary to choose a ppl to give to His Son to redeem from amongst the lost. In this election, He chose them, not because they were any less dead, their hearts not as hard as those who chose to leave in their fallen state, not because He look through the corridors of time to see who would have faith and choose them. He chose them because He is God, and as the Potter, He has rights to His clay.
You seem to fail to recognize the true state the lost are in. As Paul wrote And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.[Ephesians 2:1] The Greek word used for 'dead' is nekros and it means...
3498 nekrós (an adjective, derived from nekys, "a corpse, a dead body") – dead; literally, "what lacks life"; dead; (figuratively) not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions ("unable, ineffective, dead, powerless," L & N, 1, 74.28); unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.
3498 /nekrós ("corpse-like") is used as a noun in certain contexts ("the dead"), especially when accompanied by the Greek definite article. The phrase, ek nekron ("from the dead"), lacks the Greek article to give the sense "from what is of death."
This is what God has to overcome in these ppl who are spiritually dead before they can even to begin to seek Him. The lost man is one who is devoid of God's Spirit and his heart hates Him, is His enemy. That's why we can read For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.[Romans 8:5-8] Here are the two types of ppl in the world, the lost and the saved, the unregenerate and the regenerate. Those who are lost, those who unregenerate, have minds that are hostile towards God, its not subject to His laws, it is not able to submit itself to God and His laws, and they are in the flesh as lost, unregenerate ppl, and can not please Him. Remember, those who love Him have been(already done) born of Him.[1 John 4:7] The birth via the Spirit is what precludes any positive response for the lost person.
Because He deemed it necessary to choose a ppl to give to His Son to redeem from amongst the lost. In this election, He chose them, not because they were any less dead, their hearts not as hard as those who chose to leave in their fallen state, not because He look through the corridors of time to see who would have faith and choose them. He chose them because He is God, and as the Potter, He has rights to His clay.
So what is it to be chosen? We chose to believe or we chose Jesus? I just don’t know because ‘chose’ chosen refers not to salvation. The thief in the cross simply “believes” in Jesus. Jesus did not choose/chosen him for salvation, Christ responded only on the basis of the thief’s belief on him.
God bless
God bless
But the heart is The heart is more deceitful than all else; And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?[Jeremiah 17:9] This deceitful heart that is desperately sick that no one can understand, will not invite Him in. That's why He must take this sick, deceitful heart out and give them a new heart, a heart of flesh, a heart of love.[Ezekiel 11:19 & 36:26]
It has to be both because while he chooses us he also will not force us to accept him even if it hurts his heart. It's the same as marriage the man can ask the women to marry him but she also has to accept him and say yes. Many are called but few are chosen but they are not chosen only because they refused, love does not force itself on anyone
Will God be unjust when He proclaims Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’?[Matthew 7:22,23]