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I'm not really sure what you're saying.
Are you saying that God has given you a special, personal revelation of the bible? And, that personal revelation is the only thing you will accept?
If that's what you're saying, I can understand that! But then, there's no real sense in referring to the Bible, at least that I can see!
How about it we just compare personal revelations?
or are your revelations secret?
And I mean this all respectfully. I'm trying to figure out how to proceed!
Are you saying that God has given you a special, personal revelation of the bible? And, that personal revelation is the only thing you will accept?
If that's what you're saying, I can understand that! But then, there's no real sense in referring to the Bible, at least that I can see!
How about it we just compare personal revelations?
or are your revelations secret?
And I mean this all respectfully. I'm trying to figure out how to proceed!
To "fulfill the law" effectively negates it. In saying that the law was fulfilled you're saying that it need not be kept now. What was actually fulfilled at the cross was the ceremonial law which pointed to Christ. When He died and was resurrected there was no more need for the sacrificial system/ceremonial law. The moral law still stands. If not then we are also sin free since the moral law points out sin.
Reread. All who believe Jesus christ have a "special" uinderstanding from the Father. All who come to Jesus Chrrist are drawn to Jesus by the Father. Just as no man comes to the Father but by Jesus christ.
No, if you need the word, I do not believe my understanding is above others who believe, and because of the understanding given us all, I know there are no so-called scholars of any type who aare foretold to enlighten us about the Bible, that is, not other than the Holy Spirit.
If I say anything about linguistical influences in the Word, it is only because it is my personal avocation in tis age. It does not make me anything other than fairly well informed on certain aspects of language...... It is always the Holy Spirit Who imparts to those who are seeking the knowledge necessary for each.
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No, if you need the word, I do not believe my understanding is above others who believe, and because of the understanding given us all, I know there are no so-called scholars of any type who aare foretold to enlighten us about the Bible, that is, not other than the Holy Spirit.
If I say anything about linguistical influences in the Word, it is only because it is my personal avocation in tis age. It does not make me anything other than fairly well informed on certain aspects of language...... It is always the Holy Spirit Who imparts to those who are seeking the knowledge necessary for each.
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Hear Jesus Christ.........
Mat 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Jesus does not refer to scholars, intllectuals, not even to "church leaders," but He does refer to all who turn and become as little children.
I am well aware of this, so when I talk of words, what they mean, and how many bless us when fully translated, I am most aware that this is not my salvation, that is, knowing this well. Our salvation is our Father, Jesus........He is our All, amen.
Mat 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Jesus does not refer to scholars, intllectuals, not even to "church leaders," but He does refer to all who turn and become as little children.
I am well aware of this, so when I talk of words, what they mean, and how many bless us when fully translated, I am most aware that this is not my salvation, that is, knowing this well. Our salvation is our Father, Jesus........He is our All, amen.
MATT. 11:28-29-30.
Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and you shall find rest unto your souls.
For My yoke is easy, and My burden is Light.
MATT. 10:32.
Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father
which is in heaven.
11:27.
All things are delivered unto Me of my Father: and no man knoweth The Son, but The Father;
neither knoweth any man The Father, save The Son, and to whomsoever the Son will reveal.
19:29.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife,
or children, or lands, for My Name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
MARK 8:38.
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of Me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation;
of him also shall The Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.
Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and you shall find rest unto your souls.
For My yoke is easy, and My burden is Light.
MATT. 10:32.
Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father
which is in heaven.
11:27.
All things are delivered unto Me of my Father: and no man knoweth The Son, but The Father;
neither knoweth any man The Father, save The Son, and to whomsoever the Son will reveal.
19:29.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife,
or children, or lands, for My Name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
MARK 8:38.
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of Me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation;
of him also shall The Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.
Respectfully, not negated, established. The whole law is not negated here.
13 For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don’t use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
13 For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don’t use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
you're right that I don't know half of JaumeJ's Spiritual Understanding. So I was asking if he wanted to take turns sharing.
It's an interesting situation, really. Most Christians probably feel that God has shown them the real truth.
That's probably what the Christians in Corinth were feeling, too. And maybe why so many of them wanted to prophecy. Which Paul encourages, I believe.
so, would you like to take turns sharing the truth that God has shown you?
It's an interesting situation, really. Most Christians probably feel that God has shown them the real truth.
That's probably what the Christians in Corinth were feeling, too. And maybe why so many of them wanted to prophecy. Which Paul encourages, I believe.
so, would you like to take turns sharing the truth that God has shown you?
Hello friend,
I am happy to share God's Word with you. What did you want to talk about? Although the OP is about the Sabbath did you want to talk about that? I guess if you want to talk about something else we can make a new thread topic. I am not here all the time however so may be slow in replies sometimes. Lead the way.
well, as I understand it, the issue was whether to translate "theos" in Romans 9:6 as "YHWH" or "God".
then the idea was presented that all we need to know of the Word is the Word as understood by the Holy Spirit.
so I'm fine with that, I'm just not sure how a discussion about the issue would then proceed.
do you have any ideas about how to proceed? Maybe just each of us share what the Spirit says to us about the issue?
Maybe the whole idea of lengthy discussions about the Bible just leads to contentions?
then the idea was presented that all we need to know of the Word is the Word as understood by the Holy Spirit.
so I'm fine with that, I'm just not sure how a discussion about the issue would then proceed.
do you have any ideas about how to proceed? Maybe just each of us share what the Spirit says to us about the issue?
Maybe the whole idea of lengthy discussions about the Bible just leads to contentions?
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DAN:
It's an interesting situation, really. Most Christians probably feel that God has shown them the real truth.
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all 'Christians' have been shown bits and pieces of Yeshua's Truth, along and along in their journeys...
this is their 'stair-way' to heaven, ever giving over their whole hearts to their Saviour, in all Trust
and humility in their thankfulness for truly being called to believe in HIM, being able to acknowledge,
accept, appreciate His Holy, Loving, Sacrifice, only asking that we LOVE and OBEY Him...surreal really!!!
DAN:
It's an interesting situation, really. Most Christians probably feel that God has shown them the real truth.
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all 'Christians' have been shown bits and pieces of Yeshua's Truth, along and along in their journeys...
this is their 'stair-way' to heaven, ever giving over their whole hearts to their Saviour, in all Trust
and humility in their thankfulness for truly being called to believe in HIM, being able to acknowledge,
accept, appreciate His Holy, Loving, Sacrifice, only asking that we LOVE and OBEY Him...surreal really!!!
Well to me the name YHWH is a side issue as God has many names in the scriptures. For me I use Lord, Jesus and my Heavenly farther. If you would like to use YHWHYAHWEH / JEHOVAH does it matter? To me personally it is where the heart is not what name you wish to call God as he has many names and he knows when you are trying to talk to him and seek him.
EL, ELOAH [el, el-oh-ah]: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 139:19) – etymologically, El appears to mean “power” and “might” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of “might” remains.
ELOHIM [el-oh-heem]: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) – the plural form of Eloah, which accommodates the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1).
EL SHADDAI [el-shah-dahy]: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) – speaks to God’s ultimate power over all.
ADONAI [ˌædɒˈnaɪ; ah-daw-nahy]: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) – used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.
YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, “Lord.” The revelation of the name is first given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).
YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.
YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.
YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.
YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.
YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.
YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) – a combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic “Lord,” signifying that He is the Lord of Lords.
YAHWEH-TSIDKENU [yah-way-tzid-kay-noo]: "The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 33:16) – As with YHWH-M’Kaddesh, it is God alone who provides righteousness (from the Hebrew word tsidkenu) to man, ultimately in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who became sin for us “that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).
YAHWEH-ROHI [yah-way-roh-hee]: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1) – After David pondered his relationship as a shepherd to his sheep, he realized that was exactly the relationship God had with him, and so he declares, “Yahweh-Rohi is my Shepherd. I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1).
YAHWEH-SHAMMAH [yah-way-sham-mahw]: "The Lord Is There” (Ezekiel 48:35) – the name ascribed to Jerusalem and the Temple there, indicating that the once-departed glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 8—11) had returned (Ezekiel 44:1-4).
YAHWEH-SABAOTH [yah-way-sah-bah-ohth]: "The Lord of Hosts" (Isaiah 1:24; Psalm 46:7) – Hosts means “hordes,” both of angels and of men. He is Lord of the host of heaven and of the inhabitants of the earth, of Jews and Gentiles, of rich and poor, master and slave. The name is expressive of the majesty, power, and authority of God and shows that He is able to accomplish what He determines to do.
EL ELYON [el-el-yohn]: “Most High" (Deuteronomy 26:19) – derived from the Hebrew root for “go up” or “ascend,” so the implication is of that which is the very highest. El Elyon denotes exaltation and speaks of absolute right to lordship.
EL ROI [el-roh-ee]: "God of Seeing" (Genesis 16:13) – the name ascribed to God by Hagar, alone and desperate in the wilderness after being driven out by Sarah (Genesis 16:1-14). When Hagar met the Angel of the Lord, she realized she had seen God Himself in a theophany. She also realized that El Roi saw her in her distress and testified that He is a God who lives and sees all.
EL-OLAM [el-oh-lahm]: "Everlasting God" (Psalm 90:1-3) – God’s nature is without beginning or end, free from all constraints of time, and He contains within Himself the very cause of time itself. “From everlasting to everlasting, You are God.”
EL-GIBHOR [el-ghee-bohr]: “Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) – the name describing the Messiah, Christ Jesus, in this prophetic portion of Isaiah. As a powerful and mighty warrior, the Messiah, the Mighty God, will accomplish the destruction of God’s enemies and rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15). (see here for more info)
Can I suggest that for discussion purposes that we stay with convention? This OP is about the Sabbath so I believe this should be discussed here and possibly sub topics in relation to God's Law (10 commandments) of which the Sabbath is one of the 10. Other topics can be discussed but these are best started in other threads and discussed there.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
EL, ELOAH [el, el-oh-ah]: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 139:19) – etymologically, El appears to mean “power” and “might” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of “might” remains.
ELOHIM [el-oh-heem]: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) – the plural form of Eloah, which accommodates the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1).
EL SHADDAI [el-shah-dahy]: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) – speaks to God’s ultimate power over all.
ADONAI [ˌædɒˈnaɪ; ah-daw-nahy]: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) – used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.
YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, “Lord.” The revelation of the name is first given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).
YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.
YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.
YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.
YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.
YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.
YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) – a combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic “Lord,” signifying that He is the Lord of Lords.
YAHWEH-TSIDKENU [yah-way-tzid-kay-noo]: "The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 33:16) – As with YHWH-M’Kaddesh, it is God alone who provides righteousness (from the Hebrew word tsidkenu) to man, ultimately in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who became sin for us “that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).
YAHWEH-ROHI [yah-way-roh-hee]: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1) – After David pondered his relationship as a shepherd to his sheep, he realized that was exactly the relationship God had with him, and so he declares, “Yahweh-Rohi is my Shepherd. I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1).
YAHWEH-SHAMMAH [yah-way-sham-mahw]: "The Lord Is There” (Ezekiel 48:35) – the name ascribed to Jerusalem and the Temple there, indicating that the once-departed glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 8—11) had returned (Ezekiel 44:1-4).
YAHWEH-SABAOTH [yah-way-sah-bah-ohth]: "The Lord of Hosts" (Isaiah 1:24; Psalm 46:7) – Hosts means “hordes,” both of angels and of men. He is Lord of the host of heaven and of the inhabitants of the earth, of Jews and Gentiles, of rich and poor, master and slave. The name is expressive of the majesty, power, and authority of God and shows that He is able to accomplish what He determines to do.
EL ELYON [el-el-yohn]: “Most High" (Deuteronomy 26:19) – derived from the Hebrew root for “go up” or “ascend,” so the implication is of that which is the very highest. El Elyon denotes exaltation and speaks of absolute right to lordship.
EL ROI [el-roh-ee]: "God of Seeing" (Genesis 16:13) – the name ascribed to God by Hagar, alone and desperate in the wilderness after being driven out by Sarah (Genesis 16:1-14). When Hagar met the Angel of the Lord, she realized she had seen God Himself in a theophany. She also realized that El Roi saw her in her distress and testified that He is a God who lives and sees all.
EL-OLAM [el-oh-lahm]: "Everlasting God" (Psalm 90:1-3) – God’s nature is without beginning or end, free from all constraints of time, and He contains within Himself the very cause of time itself. “From everlasting to everlasting, You are God.”
EL-GIBHOR [el-ghee-bohr]: “Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) – the name describing the Messiah, Christ Jesus, in this prophetic portion of Isaiah. As a powerful and mighty warrior, the Messiah, the Mighty God, will accomplish the destruction of God’s enemies and rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15). (see here for more info)
Can I suggest that for discussion purposes that we stay with convention? This OP is about the Sabbath so I believe this should be discussed here and possibly sub topics in relation to God's Law (10 commandments) of which the Sabbath is one of the 10. Other topics can be discussed but these are best started in other threads and discussed there.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
Yes.....whatever is given us by our Father in Jesus Christ is definitely to be shared as we are given to share. Gifts of the Holy Spirit, from healing to prophesy. Keep in mind, prophesy is not simply predicting events in God's will, it is praise, glorifying and teaching of and from God. The Holy Spirit moves us all. Some work simply by waitiing for the Lord.
Do not fall into that dangerous way of 'insisting all others are juist as yosu sin the Way, and do not categorize all others or cubbyhole them, for only God directs family mambers in Jesuis Christ, not we.
Do not fall into that dangerous way of 'insisting all others are juist as yosu sin the Way, and do not categorize all others or cubbyhole them, for only God directs family mambers in Jesuis Christ, not we.
Trying gets us nowhere in the sense of giving movement to the Holy Spirit, to practice this wonderful way we must come together and hield to the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit moves us. It is a wonderful way. There are some groups who come together and do not do much of anytthng until the Holy Spirit moves them all or some each.s
Some have come into the group with a message the Holy Spirit has given them, and sharing these teachings is wonderful.
We are servants of the Most High God, not managers of what His will may be. In serving Him we must serve each other.
Some have come into the group with a message the Holy Spirit has given them, and sharing these teachings is wonderful.
We are servants of the Most High God, not managers of what His will may be. In serving Him we must serve each other.