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So when God said all have sinned and fallen short of Gods demand, God did not mean it, Only some have sinned? GFod told nic he had to be born again, and told him how. Not by being obedient, it was to late for that, but but believing in the only begotten son of God who came to take the sins of the world.
Our daily walk and worship should be aimed at the Savior Jesus who did keep all the commandments of God. I like what Preacher4Truth said; "any good we do is because of what God has done." I mean how do some of these self righteous people make it through their front door when they come home, their ego's of themself is so inflated. "I keep all of God's command's"
And who wants to even be around such high and mighty people not me. Walk softly around people who say they "keep all of God's commandment's." In the Church they are considered legalist's and full of pride the original sin, "you will be like God" If you meet someone who is in leadership at your Church and they do not display honest humility, run for the door.
Thanks for posting this e-grateful, a humble man.......
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
"If we could be saved by being obedient, the4 cross is foolishness, Christ died in vein."
"But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, "GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."James4:6
And who wants to even be around such high and mighty people not me. Walk softly around people who say they "keep all of God's commandment's." In the Church they are considered legalist's and full of pride the original sin, "you will be like God" If you meet someone who is in leadership at your Church and they do not display honest humility, run for the door.
Thanks for posting this e-grateful, a humble man.......
"If we could be saved by being obedient, the4 cross is foolishness, Christ died in vein."
"But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, "GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."James4:6
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Yes there is.....the predestination that Paul talks about. Believers are predestined to look like Jesus. What that means is, we're not going to look like a frog, or an elephant. It has been predetermined that we will look like Jesus when this is all over:
"29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren" (Romans 8:29 NASB)
But you are erroneously reading it to mean God predetermined who is going to be a believer and who is not by assigning them the will to believe, or not assigning them the will to believe. If he does that, that's a pretty meaningless gospel.
Of course he knows ahead of time who will believe and won't believe. He didn't pre-program them that way, he simply knows the future. He's God, you know. What has been predetermined is that those who he knows will believe before they believe (those he foreknew--vs.29 above) will become like Christ. Not like Donald Trump, not like Paul, not like Pee Wee Herman, but like JESUS. The predetermined plan is to turn believers into sons of God in the image of Christ, not turn them into something, or someone else.
Hardly. He knows ahead of time who will choose to believe and who will choose not to believe....and not because he assigned them the 'chooser' they will have. That would be a meaningless joke, a horrible 'gospel'. But it's a great gospel for someone caught in the grip of a besetting sin, or doubt.
He is more than able to keep you from falling. That's why you need to continue to trust and believe in Him to do that. He does not keep people from falling who do not seek him and believe in him and desire to keep from falling. You have to believe in the power of God to have the power of God. Peter said we are protected for the Day of Salvation THROUGH FAITH (1 Peter 1:5), not through a ridiculous 'you are saved no matter what' doctrine. Paul also said we stand firm THROUGH FAITH (2 Corinthians 1:24). But so many people here are saying that's not true. And when they see how obnoxious and ridiculous that argument actually is they leap over to the argument that you can't stop believing--God does your believing for you. Horrible doctrine, folks.
Technically, He Himself breaks the seal. Your return to unbelief is the reason why. You no longer belong to Christ when you stop believing and return to the world. Salvation is conditioned on faith in Christ. Not works, faith in Christ. It's a joke that so many Christians do not understand the basic gospel message and so have concluded that since you have to do the believing that's you trying to earn your own salvation. That's a joke. Paul NEVER said believing was on the side of works in his 'faith vs. works' argument. But the church has stupidly put it over there. I blame the leadership for this ridiculous error in the church today. Then I blame the church for blindly following them and not reading the Bible for themselves without the blinders of their teachings on their eyes.
When you respond to what I actually challenged you to respond to then I'll have something to discuss. I can only conclude that since you did not address the actual point I was making that you are afraid of the obvious answer to what I brought up.
"29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren" (Romans 8:29 NASB)
But you are erroneously reading it to mean God predetermined who is going to be a believer and who is not by assigning them the will to believe, or not assigning them the will to believe. If he does that, that's a pretty meaningless gospel.
Of course he knows ahead of time who will believe and won't believe. He didn't pre-program them that way, he simply knows the future. He's God, you know. What has been predetermined is that those who he knows will believe before they believe (those he foreknew--vs.29 above) will become like Christ. Not like Donald Trump, not like Paul, not like Pee Wee Herman, but like JESUS. The predetermined plan is to turn believers into sons of God in the image of Christ, not turn them into something, or someone else.
Hardly. He knows ahead of time who will choose to believe and who will choose not to believe....and not because he assigned them the 'chooser' they will have. That would be a meaningless joke, a horrible 'gospel'. But it's a great gospel for someone caught in the grip of a besetting sin, or doubt.
He is more than able to keep you from falling. That's why you need to continue to trust and believe in Him to do that. He does not keep people from falling who do not seek him and believe in him and desire to keep from falling. You have to believe in the power of God to have the power of God. Peter said we are protected for the Day of Salvation THROUGH FAITH (1 Peter 1:5), not through a ridiculous 'you are saved no matter what' doctrine. Paul also said we stand firm THROUGH FAITH (2 Corinthians 1:24). But so many people here are saying that's not true. And when they see how obnoxious and ridiculous that argument actually is they leap over to the argument that you can't stop believing--God does your believing for you. Horrible doctrine, folks.
Technically, He Himself breaks the seal. Your return to unbelief is the reason why. You no longer belong to Christ when you stop believing and return to the world. Salvation is conditioned on faith in Christ. Not works, faith in Christ. It's a joke that so many Christians do not understand the basic gospel message and so have concluded that since you have to do the believing that's you trying to earn your own salvation. That's a joke. Paul NEVER said believing was on the side of works in his 'faith vs. works' argument. But the church has stupidly put it over there. I blame the leadership for this ridiculous error in the church today. Then I blame the church for blindly following them and not reading the Bible for themselves without the blinders of their teachings on their eyes.
When you respond to what I actually challenged you to respond to then I'll have something to discuss. I can only conclude that since you did not address the actual point I was making that you are afraid of the obvious answer to what I brought up.
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ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). So much for salvation by perfectly obeying all of His commandments. BTY - The Greek word for "keep" is "tereo" which means to "guard, observe, watch over, properly maintain, keep intact" and does not mean sinless, perfect obedience to all of Christ's commandments 100% of the time.
If we love Him, we will (demonstrative evidence) keep His commandments. John is using descriptive language, and elsewhere we see a description of those who keep His commandments and those who do not keep His commandments. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
If we love Him, we will (demonstrative evidence) keep His commandments. John is using descriptive language, and elsewhere we see a description of those who keep His commandments and those who do not keep His commandments. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Our daily walk and worship should be aimed at the Savior Jesus who did keep all the commandments of God. I like what Preacher4Truth said; "any good we do is because of what God has done." I mean how do some of these self righteous people make it through their front door when they come home, their ego's of themself is so inflated. "I keep all of God's command's"
And who wants to even be around such high and mighty people not me. Walk softly around people who say they "keep all of God's commandment's." In the Church they are considered legalist's and full of pride the original sin, "you will be like God" If you meet someone who is in leadership at your Church and they do not display honest humility, run for the door.
Thanks for posting this e-grateful, a humble man.......
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
"If we could be saved by being obedient, the4 cross is foolishness, Christ died in vein."
"But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, "GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."James4:6
And who wants to even be around such high and mighty people not me. Walk softly around people who say they "keep all of God's commandment's." In the Church they are considered legalist's and full of pride the original sin, "you will be like God" If you meet someone who is in leadership at your Church and they do not display honest humility, run for the door.
Thanks for posting this e-grateful, a humble man.......
"If we could be saved by being obedient, the4 cross is foolishness, Christ died in vein."
"But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, "GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."James4:6
Every son want's to please his Father as you have clearly stated here. There is only One who has kept all of God's commandment's Jesus Christ our Savior. Cain tried to do it his way and failed. It just amazes me how people want to turn God's saving grace into a system of works and law. They choose all the bible verse's that say, "keep my command's" and they completely miss the, "saved by grace apart from works lest any man shall boast." Where is boasting, it is in the Cross of Jesus.
The people who promote a gospel of "Keeping all of God's commandment's", have a myopic view of the bible; they cannot see the forest through the tree's. They are full of pride and will not be received well at the judgment seat of Christ. No humility = fake gospel.
The people who promote a gospel of "Keeping all of God's commandment's", have a myopic view of the bible; they cannot see the forest through the tree's. They are full of pride and will not be received well at the judgment seat of Christ. No humility = fake gospel.
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I did acts 2, I repented and by it recieved the gift of the HS, and because I had recieved remission of sin, I asked my pastor to bap[tise me, which he did about a year later,
I was saved COMPLETELY the moment i had faith though
why are you trying to save yourself? When will you realis no amount of work you do will cause God to forgive one sin, let alone th emany you have commited since birth
I was saved COMPLETELY the moment i had faith though
why are you trying to save yourself? When will you realis no amount of work you do will cause God to forgive one sin, let alone th emany you have commited since birth