Proper Water Baptism procedure....

[MarcR]

First let us read Matthew 28 v 19 "Go forth teaching all nations and Baptizing them in The NAME of The Father, and Of The Son, and of The Holy Ghost." Jesus gave this command.

Did Jesus actually say to do this literally? Or it is it an allegory, a metaphor, a hidden meaning? The only way to really find out, is to see what The Original Apostles taught. Let us now go to The very first Christian conversion service on The day of Pentecost, in Jerusalem.

Acts Chapter Two. The service begins, Apostle Peter is the Preacher. We read from verse 1 to 36 Peter gives the message.
In verse 37, those who hear this message and feel heartfelt conviction ask Peter.(verse 37) "Men and Brethren WHAT MUST. WE DO"?

The following is NOT what Peter told them they must do, but because of man-made traditions what is now commonly accepted by many churches as "Salvation"..

1."Come forward, repeat the sinners prayer, accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, shake my hand, and you are now saved for all eternity"

2. Accept Jesus as your personal savior, say the sinner's prayer, and we will Baptize you in The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.


No, here is exactly what Peter told them to do; Acts 2 v 38
"Repent, and be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU in The NAME of JESUS CHRIST for the Remission of Sins, and YOU SHALL receive The Gift of the Holy Ghost."
Verse 39..." for the promise is unto you (Jews) and to all those who are afar off (The Gentiles) even as many as our Lord God shall call".

So, we read the first requirement is to Repent.( Luke 13 v 3-5)
Next we read everyone must be Baptized in The Name of Jesus Christ then their sins are forgiven and forgotten. Next, we read that everyone who simply obeys this simple command, is promised The Holy Ghost.

Did Peter say the wrong thing regarding simply in "Jesus Name" rather then what Jesus commanded in Matthew 28v 19?
(" Father, Son, Holy Ghost") as about 98% of Churches who Water Baptize now follow? Or did Peter and the other Apostles of Jesus obey what he said to do in reality.?

First, when Jesus spoke in Matthew 28 v 19.; he said to baptize "In The Name......" Father, Son, Holy Ghost ladies and Gentlemen are not "A Name"...they are Titles . I am a Father, and I am a Son but that is NOT my Name. Try To go to your bank sign your check "Father" or "Son" and see what the Bank teller says to you....she'll want you to put your NAME on this check. Amen.

So Peter is telling us that The Name of "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" is Jesus. In the following verses you will see where folks were Baptized in Jesus' Name/ Name of the Lord/ Lord Jesus.
Acts 2 v 38

Acts 8 v 15-17

Acts 10 v 47-48

Acts 19 v 1-7

Nowhere, ( repeat) Nowhere, in the NT will you find even one verse where anyone was ever Baptized in Eater using Father, Son, Holy Ghost. Is this important? Is this Legalism ?
Apparently, clearly Peter tells us our sins will not be remitted in Acts 2 v 38 unless you follow the exact procedure. Why chance it? Why even debate or argue this?

Finally here is Proof positive what the Name of The Father, The Son, and Holy Ghost really is;

THE FATHER's Name.....

1. I John 2 v 1 (KJV) "My little children, these things I write you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with The Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (notice: "Father then COMMA Jesus Christ....")

2. John 5 v 43 (Jesus says) "I AM come in MY FATHER's NAME, and you receive me not......"

And does'nt every true Father and Son have The Same Name everybody? So what is so strange that Jesus is the Name of Both Father and Son?

Name of The Holy Ghost.........John 14 v 26 Jesus says.." But the Comforter, which is The Holy Ghost, whom THE FATHER (named Jesus) will send IN MY NAME........" Praise God!!

Conclusion.....Baptism in Jesus Name is the proper Baptism procedure, that is the NAME Jesus was referring too in Matthew 28 v 19.... I rest my case....Glory to God!!

No, here is exactly what Peter told them to do; Acts 2 v 38
"Repent, and be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU in The NAME of JESUS CHRIST for the Remission of Sins, and YOU SHALL receive The Gift of the Holy Ghost."

There is a lot of controversy concerning this verse both in the Greek and in the English.

The Greek pronoun translated 'for' in this verse is eis. Arndt and Gingrich Greek/English lexicon says that eis can mean 'because of' in this sense. 'For' is used in the same sense in English.

If we read Ac 2:38 to say Repent, and be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU in The NAME of JESUS CHRIST because your sins are remitted. we get an entirely different take on this verse. I believe that if we look at what the rest of scripture teaches on baptism we find that Baptism follows Salvation as a step of obedience.

I agree that many believers understand it as you do; but we are very unlikely to settle this controversy on this thread.

 

[Deacon_D]

LordForerunner

I have often wondered what it will be like watching all these folks at The White Throne Judgement, and several ask Jesus, "Lord where is The Father, and The Holy Ghost"?....3, 2, 1...

I have a hard time understanding some of you people. It seams as though you know absolutely nothing about the Bible. Show me one place in the Bible where any one was baptized in the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. SHOW ME. Otherwise you do nothing but show how unlearned you are.

 

[Deacon_D]

Oneness is a modern heresy rooted in ancient heresy. The cults specialize in asking the wrong questions which are logically flawed and designed to elicit wrong answers that align with their heresy while ignoring ALL truth. The idiot questions are then repeated no matter how many times they are refuted with scripture, logic, yeah truth. That's all you've managed to do in this thread. Ask stupid myopic logically flawed questions, ignore the answers, loop the question again, engage in ad hominem, refuse to read and respond to scriptural truth in our posts, refuse to respond to all of scripture, refuse to respond to anything that refutes the cultic heresy and simply rewind back to the beginning and make the false assertion again. This retreat back into ignorance and denial with regards to a debate you clearly lost is idiocy. In the old days, we'd just put a dunce cap on the kid and point to the corner.

The only heresy I see is the trinity religion. There is NO such animal. You can’t even show any one where any one were baptized in any other name than Jesus. Can you?

 

[Deacon_D]

1 Corinthians 12: 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret? 31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way. [NIV]

Many are led astray by poor translations of these verses. In the Greek, it is clear that Paul is phrasing his questions expecting a negative answer. The NASB has a much better translation.

1 Corinthians 12: 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts. A nd I show you a still more excellent way. [NASB]

Paul is clear in that these gifts of the Holy Spirit are not intended for everyone, including true believers who are members of the body of Christ.

Mark 8: Sighing deeply in His spirit, He said, "Why does this generation seek for a sign ? Truly I say to you, no sign will be given to this generation."

Let me interject the purpose of tongues. There are two tongues but Paul only mentions one, the type that needs an enterpitor. But the other is a sign.

 

[OneFaith]

First let us read Matthew 28 v 19 "Go forth teaching all nations and Baptizing them in The NAME of The Father, and Of The Son, and of The Holy Ghost." Jesus gave this command.

Did Jesus actually say to do this literally? Or it is it an allegory, a metaphor, a hidden meaning? The only way to really find out, is to see what The Original Apostles taught. Let us now go to The very first Christian conversion service on The day of Pentecost, in Jerusalem.

Acts Chapter Two. The service begins, Apostle Peter is the Preacher. We read from verse 1 to 36 Peter gives the message.
In verse 37, those who hear this message and feel heartfelt conviction ask Peter.(verse 37) "Men and Brethren WHAT MUST. WE DO"?

The following is NOT what Peter told them they must do, but because of man-made traditions what is now commonly accepted by many churches as "Salvation"..

1."Come forward, repeat the sinners prayer, accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, shake my hand, and you are now saved for all eternity"

2. Accept Jesus as your personal savior, say the sinner's prayer, and we will Baptize you in The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.


No, here is exactly what Peter told them to do; Acts 2 v 38
"Repent, and be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU in The NAME of JESUS CHRIST for the Remission of Sins, and YOU SHALL receive The Gift of the Holy Ghost."
Verse 39..." for the promise is unto you (Jews) and to all those who are afar off (The Gentiles) even as many as our Lord God shall call".

So, we read the first requirement is to Repent.( Luke 13 v 3-5)
Next we read everyone must be Baptized in The Name of Jesus Christ then their sins are forgiven and forgotten. Next, we read that everyone who simply obeys this simple command, is promised The Holy Ghost.

Did Peter say the wrong thing regarding simply in "Jesus Name" rather then what Jesus commanded in Matthew 28v 19?
(" Father, Son, Holy Ghost") as about 98% of Churches who Water Baptize now follow? Or did Peter and the other Apostles of Jesus obey what he said to do in reality.?

First, when Jesus spoke in Matthew 28 v 19.; he said to baptize "In The Name......" Father, Son, Holy Ghost ladies and Gentlemen are not "A Name"...they are Titles . I am a Father, and I am a Son but that is NOT my Name. Try To go to your bank sign your check "Father" or "Son" and see what the Bank teller says to you....she'll want you to put your NAME on this check. Amen.

So Peter is telling us that The Name of "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" is Jesus. In the following verses you will see where folks were Baptized in Jesus' Name/ Name of the Lord/ Lord Jesus.
Acts 2 v 38

Acts 8 v 15-17

Acts 10 v 47-48

Acts 19 v 1-7

Nowhere, ( repeat) Nowhere, in the NT will you find even one verse where anyone was ever Baptized in Eater using Father, Son, Holy Ghost. Is this important? Is this Legalism ?
Apparently, clearly Peter tells us our sins will not be remitted in Acts 2 v 38 unless you follow the exact procedure. Why chance it? Why even debate or argue this?

Finally here is Proof positive what the Name of The Father, The Son, and Holy Ghost really is;

THE FATHER's Name.....

1. I John 2 v 1 (KJV) "My little children, these things I write you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with The Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (notice: "Father then COMMA Jesus Christ....")

2. John 5 v 43 (Jesus says) "I AM come in MY FATHER's NAME, and you receive me not......"

And does'nt every true Father and Son have The Same Name everybody? So what is so strange that Jesus is the Name of Both Father and Son?

Name of The Holy Ghost.........John 14 v 26 Jesus says.." But the Comforter, which is The Holy Ghost, whom THE FATHER (named Jesus) will send IN MY NAME........" Praise God!!

Conclusion.....Baptism in Jesus Name is the proper Baptism
procedure, that is the NAME Jesus was referring too in Matthew 28 v 19.... I rest my case....Glory to God!!

I think it’s important to say it physically to make the intention clear, but I don’t think your salvation is dependent on saying it physically IF that is what you are spiritually doing. Jesus said if you look at someone to lust after them, you have committed adultery spiritually. Or if you hate your brother, you are already guilty of murder, etc.

Well the same goes for good deeds, if you do it spiritually in your heart, you’ve done it. Unless you refuse to physically do it, then you really didn’t in your heart. For example, if you give to the poor in your heart, but refuse to give to the poor out of your wallet, then you deny that you are doing it spiritually either. So if you didn’t know to say, or didn’t refuse to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for the remission of your sins.” it still counts because that is what you are doing, and what your intention is.

Unlike us, “Father” is not only what God is, it is also His name. “I Am” is also His name, unlike us who would use it like “I am here”- which does not mean a name but a title. But with God it is a name. Jesus has so many names, like “The Lion of the Tribe of Judah” that I saw a poster with a list of them.

What if there was a gathering of people by the shore, who had erected a statue of Buddha, and were baptizing people? They did not physically say “I baptize you in the name of Buddha” but that was what they were indeed doing. And years later one of them learned of Jesus Christ, and wanted to follow Him, and Christians told him he needed to be baptized, but he said he’d already been baptized? This would be one example where baptizing into the name needs to be stated. Now the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God, so if you say “In the name of Christ” it means the same thing. But the best way to word it is the way Jesus did.

Why is it important to get baptized in His name? Because that is “calling on the name of the Lord’ to save you- because your own good name is not good enough. I may have a good reputation, but it has flaws. My good name will get me far, but not get me everywhere- definitely not with God- Who knows all the deeds my name represents to Him. But if I take on the name of Christ (Christian) my name will now get me into heaven- for His name represents someone Who is flawless, and He died to share His flawless name with me. “What are you waiting for? Arise, be baptized and wash away your sins- calling on the name of the Lord.”

 

[Deacon_D]

Superdave5221
No need to get Hyper over this. The gift of tongues person receives is an on going gift not someone who does it once at conversion is what I am trying to express. In other words as I explained you may speak in tongues for a few seconds at Conversion, and the next 5 converts do not. And what I am saying is even though you spoke in tongues ONCE does not necessarily you will continue to speak in tongues well after.

As I said it is simply a sign from God. It is sort of showing The Church this person has the Holy Ghost...a "sign" and that sign is not given at every conversion.
Lol.

You half right anyway.

 

[Deacon_D]

why are you so intent in forcing your oneness theology on everyone? Clearly no one hear believes except for you and 3 or 4 other misguided souls

Shard, Do you ever study your Bible? If so tell me what Rev. 21:1-3 means.

 

[Deacon_D]

thank you very much i take that as a complement, although I have no affiliation with the UPC or any other denomination for that matter.

UPC is not a denomination it’s an experience.

 

[hornetguy]

UPC is not a denomination it’s an experience.

Do you realize that you are trying to discuss this with a person that got banned back in 2010? Or at least this thread was from 2010... and the guy that you are discussing with has been banned for a while.

 

[MarcR]

The only heresy I see is the trinity religion. There is NO such animal. You can’t even show any one where any one were baptized in any other name than Jesus. Can you?

Try Mt 28:19-20

 

[MarcR]

The first recorded use of this Greek word in Christian theology (though not about the Divine Trinity) was by Theophilus of Antioch in about 170. He wrote:[

"In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity [Τριάδος], of God, and His Word, and His wisdom. And the fourth is the type of man, who needs light, that so there may be God, the Word, wisdom, man."


How ever it was until t Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century, began to teach the doctrine of the Trinity as we know it now, using the words "Trinity", "person" and "substance" to explain that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are "one in essence—not one in Person".

This is as I said before 100s of years after the Apostles the apostles themselves , nor their disciple never taught the doctrine of the trinity.
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Even though you are banned and will not see this it may be of interest to the forum:

Your point of view seems to indicate that Jesus spoke the words of Mat 28:19 more than 100 years after His ascension!

I think that is very unlikely.

 

[Deacon_D]

Even though you are banned and will not see this it may be of interest to the forum:

Your point of view seems to indicate that Jesus spoke the words of Mat 28:19 more than 100 years after His ascension!

I think that is very unlikely.

The trinity was a paper wrote by a pope they parted from Acts 2:38 in 325 AD so if you are of that bunch the you be one of the GeaarHoar’s daughters.

 

[MarcR]

The trinity was a paper wrote by a pope they parted from Acts 2:38 in 325 AD so if you are of that bunch the you be one of the GeaarHoar’s daughters.

How do you account for Mat 28:19; or John 1:1-14.

Since no man has seen the Father at any time and God appeared to both Abraham and Moses unless Jesus and the Father are separate persons?

 

[Nehemiah6]

First let us read Matthew 28 v 19 "Go forth teaching all nations and Baptizing them in The NAME of The Father, and Of The Son, and of The Holy Ghost." Jesus gave this command. Did Jesus actually say to do this literally? Or it is it an allegory, a metaphor, a hidden meaning?... Conclusion.....Baptism in Jesus Name is the proper Baptism procedure, that is the NAME Jesus was referring too in Matthew 28 v 19.... I rest my case....Glory to God!!

Far from it, and God receives glory only when the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all included in water baptism. Your assertion that what Jesus said in His commandment to baptize believers is allegory, metaphor, and with a hidden meaning has absolutely no merit, since everything else stated in Matthew 28:18-20 is to be taken in its plain literal sense. Only Gnostics would make an assertion that there was a "hidden" esoteric meaning to what Christ commanded.

No doubt there are some Christians who baptize only in Jesus' name. No doubt there are other Christians who immerse the believer THRICE in water, for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But the commandment in Matthew 28 cannot be controverted: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.