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Even if we believe not after belief HE ABIDES FAITHFUL BECAUSE HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF.....
Jesus BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES HIS GOOD WORK OF FAITH HE BEGAN IN US....
Those who say we can forfeit this faith state clearly the JESUS FAILS AND IS A WEAK, INEPT god with a small g that CANNOT FINISH WHAT HE STARTED and in so doing DENIES HIMSELF!
END OF STORY
Jesus BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES HIS GOOD WORK OF FAITH HE BEGAN IN US....
Those who say we can forfeit this faith state clearly the JESUS FAILS AND IS A WEAK, INEPT god with a small g that CANNOT FINISH WHAT HE STARTED and in so doing DENIES HIMSELF!
END OF STORY
The root and foundation of biblical Christianity is salvation and being born from above by the eternal Spirit of God.....today in my view men have reduced the simplicity of Christ into a street organ player with a dancing monkey for coins......untold millions are pouring into hell as it moves to meet them at their coming.....I have decided to combat tooth and nail the false gospels of men that have no power to save by incessantly posting in this thread and am thankful for ALL who stand for the truth whem it comes to biblical salvation.
The simplicity found in Jesus--->> It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.
Anything added or subtracted from that simple truth negates the gospel and in so doing pushes a false gospel of a different kind with no power to save!!
The simplicity found in Jesus--->> It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.
Anything added or subtracted from that simple truth negates the gospel and in so doing pushes a false gospel of a different kind with no power to save!!
David prayed and confessed that God had taught his hands how to war......David was but a youth who kept the sheep and had no military experience and Goliath was a man of war from his youth.....the whole narrative speaks to this fact and why David's victory was wrought in God with a single stone from the brook!
i copied this from bro dcontroversal one day u see:
a. He begins and finishes our faith
b. He completes the good work he began
c. He will never leave or forsake us
d. He saves to the uttermost
e. We are kept by the POWER OF GOD
f. We are in the Father's hand
g. We are in the Son's hand
h. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of GOD UNTO the day of redemption
I. By belief we are NOT condemned (judged)
j. We are saved by FAITH
k. We are justified by FAITH
l. We have the imputed righteousness of Christ void of works
a. He begins and finishes our faith
b. He completes the good work he began
c. He will never leave or forsake us
d. He saves to the uttermost
e. We are kept by the POWER OF GOD
f. We are in the Father's hand
g. We are in the Son's hand
h. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of GOD UNTO the day of redemption
I. By belief we are NOT condemned (judged)
j. We are saved by FAITH
k. We are justified by FAITH
l. We have the imputed righteousness of Christ void of works
God does not call ALL....MANY are called, but few chosen <----and MANY does not equal ALL!
New American Standard Bible
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
King James Bible
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified
New American Standard Bible
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
King James Bible
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified
Romans 11:22-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Therefore, consider God’s kindness and severity: severity toward those who have fallen but God’s kindness toward you—if you remain in His kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And even they, if they do not remain in unbelief {Prodigals will return}, will be grafted in, because God has the power to graft them in again.
The only way I know that person who claims to be a genuine Christian can fall into permanent UNBELIEF, is IF they deceived themselves that they were Born Again, when they truly were NOT.
John 16:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away.
1 Peter 5:10 (NCV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And after you suffer for a short time, God, who gives all grace, will make everything right. He will make you strong and support you and keep you from falling. He called you to share in his glory in Christ, a glory that will continue forever.
Jude 1:24-25 (NRSV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now to Him who is able to keep you from falling, and to make you stand without blemish in the presence of his glory with rejoicing,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
Oh, I see how if that was the only verse in Scripture dealing with Saved Eternally, it would appear that it is possible to Lose or Forfeit Salvation. HOWEVER, there are NUMEROUS VERSES SHOWING THAT SALVATION IS ETERNAL, AND HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES:
2 Timothy 2:10 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sake, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Notice: It says ALSO , which clearly implies the Salvation the Disciples already had is the one with ETERNAL glory.
Hebrews 5:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Though He was ⌊God’s⌋ Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After He was perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and He was declared by God a high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
John 3:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
John 6:40 (NASB)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Okay, that should be enough to validate that SALVATION IS ETERNAL THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE and ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN. So what is HE saying in Rom. 11:22, and how do we back it up with Scripture.
Everybody knows what Rom. 10:9 says, by many cannot tell you what Rom 10:10 says, and I believe it is CRITICAL to KNOW what both are saying, or you miss a Truth the tells us why those who appear to be saved and fall away, really were not BORN AGAIN. I am sure you were taught just like I was to READ THE CONTEXT.
Romans 10:8-11 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
Intellectual belief in your BRAIN, is NOT Salvation or Born Again. Believing in your HEART and Knowing Him in your HEART Is SALVATION and IS genuinely being BORN AGAIN. Therefore those who only have Head Knowledge are NOT SAVED, who are also those who were only tasting Believing, the Salvation, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Where WE have CONSUMED BELIEVING, THE ETERNAL SALVATION, AND HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OUR HEARTS.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted {NOT CONSUMED} of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
HEAD KNOWLEDGE DOES NOT SAVE, HOWEVER HEART KNOWLEDGE SAVES ETERNALLY.
Here is a parallel verse to Rom. 11:22 that makes it even MORE understandable.
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
Believe it or not, I have even heard of Seminary Students who were not Born Again until their Final Year. Therefore the distance between your head and your heart, can be the difference between Eternity in Heaven or Eternity in the Lake of Fire.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Therefore, consider God’s kindness and severity: severity toward those who have fallen but God’s kindness toward you—if you remain in His kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And even they, if they do not remain in unbelief {Prodigals will return}, will be grafted in, because God has the power to graft them in again.
The only way I know that person who claims to be a genuine Christian can fall into permanent UNBELIEF, is IF they deceived themselves that they were Born Again, when they truly were NOT.
John 16:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away.
1 Peter 5:10 (NCV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And after you suffer for a short time, God, who gives all grace, will make everything right. He will make you strong and support you and keep you from falling. He called you to share in his glory in Christ, a glory that will continue forever.
Jude 1:24-25 (NRSV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now to Him who is able to keep you from falling, and to make you stand without blemish in the presence of his glory with rejoicing,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
Oh, I see how if that was the only verse in Scripture dealing with Saved Eternally, it would appear that it is possible to Lose or Forfeit Salvation. HOWEVER, there are NUMEROUS VERSES SHOWING THAT SALVATION IS ETERNAL, AND HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES:
2 Timothy 2:10 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sake, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Notice: It says ALSO , which clearly implies the Salvation the Disciples already had is the one with ETERNAL glory.
Hebrews 5:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Though He was ⌊God’s⌋ Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After He was perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and He was declared by God a high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
John 3:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
John 6:40 (NASB)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Okay, that should be enough to validate that SALVATION IS ETERNAL THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE and ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN. So what is HE saying in Rom. 11:22, and how do we back it up with Scripture.
Everybody knows what Rom. 10:9 says, by many cannot tell you what Rom 10:10 says, and I believe it is CRITICAL to KNOW what both are saying, or you miss a Truth the tells us why those who appear to be saved and fall away, really were not BORN AGAIN. I am sure you were taught just like I was to READ THE CONTEXT.
Romans 10:8-11 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
Intellectual belief in your BRAIN, is NOT Salvation or Born Again. Believing in your HEART and Knowing Him in your HEART Is SALVATION and IS genuinely being BORN AGAIN. Therefore those who only have Head Knowledge are NOT SAVED, who are also those who were only tasting Believing, the Salvation, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Where WE have CONSUMED BELIEVING, THE ETERNAL SALVATION, AND HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OUR HEARTS.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted {NOT CONSUMED} of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
HEAD KNOWLEDGE DOES NOT SAVE, HOWEVER HEART KNOWLEDGE SAVES ETERNALLY.
Here is a parallel verse to Rom. 11:22 that makes it even MORE understandable.
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
Believe it or not, I have even heard of Seminary Students who were not Born Again until their Final Year. Therefore the distance between your head and your heart, can be the difference between Eternity in Heaven or Eternity in the Lake of Fire.
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Jesus did die for all,but God will not call those whose heart is not in the right condition to be called,for they are too self exalting,and arrogant,and selfish,and do not show too much love towards people.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
There are some people on this earth that do not qualify not having the right heart condition for God to call them,and begin working in their life to get them to the truth.
Pharaoh is a good example,for God used him to show His power on earth,so that the earth would know He is God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
There are some people on this earth that do not qualify not having the right heart condition for God to call them,and begin working in their life to get them to the truth.
Pharaoh is a good example,for God used him to show His power on earth,so that the earth would know He is God.
J
He died for all but he doesn't call all,meaning not everyone is going to be have a major role,some will have a less centered role,not everyone is called to be a preacher or teacher,or otherwise major roles where eyes are upon you daily,some have the role of helping people understand God's word without having to be ever present in alot of people's lives physically as well as that inevitably there will be those who do not accept Jesus.
That's what dcontroversal means by the scripture that many are called but few chosen,because some will never accept Jesus as Saviour,and those who accept him will always have some role in leading people to Jesus to be saved,but some of the called will be chosen for more major or particularly trying roles where they are before large multitudes instead of a fare few in their lives,just like the disciples the 12 were chosen by Jesus where as some whom were with Jesus were not chosen for a large role.
Altogether we each have a role for God/Jesus,just not all of us will have such a role where we speak to or guide multitudes of people in Jesus's name,while some are in the midst of thousands preaching or teaching,others will be teaching or preaching or in some wise for God/Jesus but with a fare few at a time.(I realize I didn't mention all the roles but you get the picture)
That's what dcontroversal means by the scripture that many are called but few chosen,because some will never accept Jesus as Saviour,and those who accept him will always have some role in leading people to Jesus to be saved,but some of the called will be chosen for more major or particularly trying roles where they are before large multitudes instead of a fare few in their lives,just like the disciples the 12 were chosen by Jesus where as some whom were with Jesus were not chosen for a large role.
Altogether we each have a role for God/Jesus,just not all of us will have such a role where we speak to or guide multitudes of people in Jesus's name,while some are in the midst of thousands preaching or teaching,others will be teaching or preaching or in some wise for God/Jesus but with a fare few at a time.(I realize I didn't mention all the roles but you get the picture)
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So, those in hell had their sin debt paid for by God? Don't go the "they need to apply it" scenario.
The fact their sin debt has been paid implies application. If someone paid another's car payment, that person doesn't have to "apply it" for it to take effect. The fact it has been paid does this in itself.
The fact their sin debt has been paid implies application. If someone paid another's car payment, that person doesn't have to "apply it" for it to take effect. The fact it has been paid does this in itself.
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Just the same as a person being quick to blood shed toward someone,Saul was this way but Jesus halted him and chose him for a reason where as under any other circumstance God/Jesus wouldn't choose or call such an individual,granted he has used some bizarre people in the bible at times for good,but under ordinary circumstances if a person was quick to kill people then he wouldn't choose or call them,though Yes more importantly he knows our hearts so if one's heart is filled with murder,or fornication,then he would most likely not choose such an individual especially not those who outright blasphemed him or his word.