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Whoa,now you are on the lines of blasphemy with that first phrase"God is not in control of who gets saved" now that is completely false,how does one get saved?
through Jesus whom is God's son,and whom is one with him,so this means God is in control of who gets saved,just because we have a will of our own doesn't mean that we just come about being saved on our own,we have to come to "Realization" we don't simply decide"ok I'm going to get saved today" it is only because we come to into "Realization" that God has been in our lives that we come to him through Jesus christ,it's not a simple choice that we just make,God guides us,we have a choice in asking for and then accepting salvation from God through Jesus,but all is apart of what God has planned before hand,he knows our hearts,and can see if we desire to trust in him and be a worker for him,God doesn't lead someone to be saved if they are not "already willing" to be a worker for him,and so he does have control over one's salvation because he determines if he will "lead us to be saved" we don't just come to salvation of our own accord without him guiding us toward him,salvation is not of ourselves but through Jesus and by God's grace that we come to salvation,the choice is ours to make in the end but,our salvation is through Jesus,not just the one decision of ours,he doesn't force people to be saved,but he guides us to salvation,so "He is in control of "Everyone's salvation" for we make a decision to accept or reject it but without Jesus,there is no salvation lest one must abide by God's old law or die to it.
through Jesus whom is God's son,and whom is one with him,so this means God is in control of who gets saved,just because we have a will of our own doesn't mean that we just come about being saved on our own,we have to come to "Realization" we don't simply decide"ok I'm going to get saved today" it is only because we come to into "Realization" that God has been in our lives that we come to him through Jesus christ,it's not a simple choice that we just make,God guides us,we have a choice in asking for and then accepting salvation from God through Jesus,but all is apart of what God has planned before hand,he knows our hearts,and can see if we desire to trust in him and be a worker for him,God doesn't lead someone to be saved if they are not "already willing" to be a worker for him,and so he does have control over one's salvation because he determines if he will "lead us to be saved" we don't just come to salvation of our own accord without him guiding us toward him,salvation is not of ourselves but through Jesus and by God's grace that we come to salvation,the choice is ours to make in the end but,our salvation is through Jesus,not just the one decision of ours,he doesn't force people to be saved,but he guides us to salvation,so "He is in control of "Everyone's salvation" for we make a decision to accept or reject it but without Jesus,there is no salvation lest one must abide by God's old law or die to it.
By hearing the gospel and choosing to believe it.
God does not determine who will be saved and who won't.
He wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). He is not willing that any should perish (2 Pet 3:9). He wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11). We have the ministry of reconciliation: we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God beseeches people through us to be reconciled to God (2 Cor 5:18-20).
God does not determine who will be saved and who won't.
He wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). He is not willing that any should perish (2 Pet 3:9). He wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11). We have the ministry of reconciliation: we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God beseeches people through us to be reconciled to God (2 Cor 5:18-20).
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God was specific when he did his creating.
"And God saw it was good." <--------said after five days of creating.
"And it was very good." <--------- said after creating Man.
He intentionally didn't do perfect. He did good or very good.
And, even after that, "very good" failed, so he cursed us. Making us less than even good.
"And God saw it was good." <--------said after five days of creating.
"And it was very good." <--------- said after creating Man.
He intentionally didn't do perfect. He did good or very good.
And, even after that, "very good" failed, so he cursed us. Making us less than even good.
Sooooo...now Satan was once elect? Lol! Ridiculous and false.
Here's the problem and it's shown in my signature even...people cannot stand God being God and His electing grace. Some loathe all this about God and will NOT have this God rule over them. So they create their own little God to their liking and make up false teachings like Satan being elect. Shameful. Lots of Romans 9:20 people that's for sure.
Here's the problem and it's shown in my signature even...people cannot stand God being God and His electing grace. Some loathe all this about God and will NOT have this God rule over them. So they create their own little God to their liking and make up false teachings like Satan being elect. Shameful. Lots of Romans 9:20 people that's for sure.
But the verse does not say anything about "receiving better instruction". It says the children of believers are not unclean, but holy (set apart).
Every single human on the planet is born unclean because of the sin of Adam (Rom 5:12). ALL men need saving.
That's talking about individual sins, not the sin nature we all inherited from Adam.
Every single human on the planet is born unclean because of the sin of Adam (Rom 5:12). ALL men need saving.
That's talking about individual sins, not the sin nature we all inherited from Adam.
correct me if I misunderstood you,
1. You believe no free will, it mean if you believe in Jesus, it because predestine by God, and if you are killer and robber is because God predetermine you to be. Is that your believe?
2. It mean our evil action is predetermined by God. Is that your believe?
so whether your good action or bad action not come from your free will, all predestine by God.
You better ponder under why you do not believe that there is no free will brother.
you end up to accuse God responsible of all evil action.
1. You believe no free will, it mean if you believe in Jesus, it because predestine by God, and if you are killer and robber is because God predetermine you to be. Is that your believe?
2. It mean our evil action is predetermined by God. Is that your believe?
so whether your good action or bad action not come from your free will, all predestine by God.
You better ponder under why you do not believe that there is no free will brother.
you end up to accuse God responsible of all evil action.