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Exodus 31
2And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
While looking for something else I noticed this.. it is a sign of sanctifying.. breaking it was worthy of death so I can see why so many fear the Sabbath.. but we know that Fear is the beginning of wisdom and GOD casts out our fear through Love..
2And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
While looking for something else I noticed this.. it is a sign of sanctifying.. breaking it was worthy of death so I can see why so many fear the Sabbath.. but we know that Fear is the beginning of wisdom and GOD casts out our fear through Love..
One can not follow the teachings of Christ and have no change of heart. But accepting the Commandments as they stand must surely be a 'basic beginning. Even Yashua/Jesus was born under the law which must have been to some purpose....so why would it be right for us to ignore it ...we who are being conformed to HIS image ?
Our change must start from the very foundations if we are to be 'genuine followers....that is how the 'New Man is formed ! in righteousness, holiness and obedience...something the 'old man was not.
Our change must start from the very foundations if we are to be 'genuine followers....that is how the 'New Man is formed ! in righteousness, holiness and obedience...something the 'old man was not.
I think you're reading too much into that. From the context, "this ignorance" is "to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device"
No.
Now, I don't understand what is the issue is regarding ignorance and the fourth commandment.
it seems pretty clear about how to keep it holy, "in it thou shalt not do any work".
and clear about which day it is, "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day."
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
right! so following that out,
generally speaking, we can say that those who make a habit of not keeping the Sabbath day holy by doing different activities on it
(such as many users here on CC, including myself)
have not seen Christ or known him.
so, many (most?) of the users here on CC, including myself, are not actually Christians, born again, or born of God.
generally speaking, we can say that those who make a habit of not keeping the Sabbath day holy by doing different activities on it
(such as many users here on CC, including myself)
have not seen Christ or known him.
so, many (most?) of the users here on CC, including myself, are not actually Christians, born again, or born of God.
If we do hear his voice and harden not our hearts it witnesses we have entered the Sabbath.
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
A person would first have to define what a cerimoinal law is and how it differs from moral laws. And also how the scriptures defines the word keep. Two things that challenges turning Christianity into Judaism.
The word Sabbath (rest) is not a time sensitive word at all can't pin it down to any day , minute or hour. The shadow can be, but every time after hearing His voice if we do not harden our hearts we have already entered that rest.
The focus on the Sabbaths whether it is figured from the last day or the new era of Sabbaths the first day. It has more to do with how we view the true fast as to its purpose . Looking at it from a wrong approach we then end up with the kind of fast that cannot drive out lying spirits called demons. The reason for the fast will give a proper understanding of the word Sabaath..
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
A person would first have to define what a cerimoinal law is and how it differs from moral laws. And also how the scriptures defines the word keep. Two things that challenges turning Christianity into Judaism.
The word Sabbath (rest) is not a time sensitive word at all can't pin it down to any day , minute or hour. The shadow can be, but every time after hearing His voice if we do not harden our hearts we have already entered that rest.
The focus on the Sabbaths whether it is figured from the last day or the new era of Sabbaths the first day. It has more to do with how we view the true fast as to its purpose . Looking at it from a wrong approach we then end up with the kind of fast that cannot drive out lying spirits called demons. The reason for the fast will give a proper understanding of the word Sabaath..
Yes Jesus kept the cerimoinal laws that were used as shadows. They were used for preaching the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand . We can see that in the baptism ordinance required when a new priest would enter the ministry. Where water was used to symbolize in a hope that they had God's approval.
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.Joh 3:25
Same cerimoinal law today set aside for a kingdom of priests .The believers.
Read post # 3303 again. By me saying your "statement" is not correct and is not what I was saying, was referring to everything you said in your post that is quoted. It should have been clear enough to you by reading post 3303 anyways.
Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because they are foolishness unto him. Those that say they see have blind eye. Let me ask you plainly. Do you believe God's Word? If so have you been born again and received the Holy Spirit? If you have, do you by faith love God and keep His commandments (including the 7th Day Sabbath)?
I am new here, but have enjoyed this thread. You said something here that made me pause.
"However, the NT is more relaxed on this and we are now allowed to do good works".
I would contend that it has always been the intent of the Sabbath to allow "good works" as described by Jesus. (helping a brother in need) For instance, the Mainstream Church of His time taught that it was against the Sabbath Laws to walk and eat a raspberry or ear of corn on this Holy Day. I don't believe that was ever the intent of God's Holy Sabbath, and that the Church leaders of that time were "teaching for doctrines the commandments of man" and not the commandments of God.
Jesus did say to "count the cost" of following him. One cost would be we are forbidden to "work" as it is defined the other 6 days of the week on this holy Day. It seems like a pretty big deal to Jesus as the only time he actually became violent was when the Mainstream Church leaders sold their goods on His Holy Sabbath.
Great thread.
"However, the NT is more relaxed on this and we are now allowed to do good works".
I would contend that it has always been the intent of the Sabbath to allow "good works" as described by Jesus. (helping a brother in need) For instance, the Mainstream Church of His time taught that it was against the Sabbath Laws to walk and eat a raspberry or ear of corn on this Holy Day. I don't believe that was ever the intent of God's Holy Sabbath, and that the Church leaders of that time were "teaching for doctrines the commandments of man" and not the commandments of God.
Jesus did say to "count the cost" of following him. One cost would be we are forbidden to "work" as it is defined the other 6 days of the week on this holy Day. It seems like a pretty big deal to Jesus as the only time he actually became violent was when the Mainstream Church leaders sold their goods on His Holy Sabbath.
Great thread.
a Natural Man is someone who isn't born again, isn't it?
yes, I believe God's Word, I have been born again, I have received the Holy Spirit and by faith I love God and keep all of His commandments, including Exodus 20:8-11.
at the same time, I don't take any special actions regarding days 1-6 or the 7th.
I fulfill the entire law,
For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself.
yes, I believe God's Word, I have been born again, I have received the Holy Spirit and by faith I love God and keep all of His commandments, including Exodus 20:8-11.
at the same time, I don't take any special actions regarding days 1-6 or the 7th.
I fulfill the entire law,
For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself.
There is a test we can take to make sure we "Take Heed" that we are not deceived by "Those who come in His name", which can only be one group of people on the planet, and that is Christians.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
I think this is important to consider given all the warnings about being deceived. I understand it is "Christian" tradition, for the most part, to ignore God's Holy Sabbaths while still claiming to be His Children. But there is no reason for us to be deceived if we follow this simple test God gives us.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
There were laws that Jesus didn't follow. For instance He forgave sins without any "Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial, "works of the Law" for remission of sins Paul mentioned in Gal.3. He healed people "apart" from this law. He never once sprinkled blood on the alter to forgive a sin.
But He certainly did keep His Fathers Sabbaths to the point of whipping folks who defiled it.
He did keep God's Holy Days. Mainstream Christianity(MC) also has a tradition of rejecting these as well.
He never created an image of God after His own imagination which is part of the first and greatest commandment. Yet it is also MC tradition to create images of God/Jesus as a long haired, handsome man. Christianity is connected at the hip with these images which are in direct disobedience to God's first and greatest commandment.
These are not my judgments, but judgments of God that are in every Bible in the world. And these "traditions" are not new either. In fact we are warned by Paul about this very thing.
1 Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Where is this quote from?
Ex. 32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
Another reference to a MC tradition of creating their own "Feasts unto the Lord".
This all is revealed with the "Mirror" James speaks of.
It's not just about the Sabbath. It's about the God of Abraham vs. the god of man's church. And this battle has been going on since Abel was killed by his "Christian" brother.
So how can you "love your neighbor as yourself" if you teach "doctrines and traditions of man" over the teaching and walk of Christ?
Wonderful thread, great civil conversation between the brethren about important things.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
I think this is important to consider given all the warnings about being deceived. I understand it is "Christian" tradition, for the most part, to ignore God's Holy Sabbaths while still claiming to be His Children. But there is no reason for us to be deceived if we follow this simple test God gives us.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
There were laws that Jesus didn't follow. For instance He forgave sins without any "Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial, "works of the Law" for remission of sins Paul mentioned in Gal.3. He healed people "apart" from this law. He never once sprinkled blood on the alter to forgive a sin.
But He certainly did keep His Fathers Sabbaths to the point of whipping folks who defiled it.
He did keep God's Holy Days. Mainstream Christianity(MC) also has a tradition of rejecting these as well.
He never created an image of God after His own imagination which is part of the first and greatest commandment. Yet it is also MC tradition to create images of God/Jesus as a long haired, handsome man. Christianity is connected at the hip with these images which are in direct disobedience to God's first and greatest commandment.
These are not my judgments, but judgments of God that are in every Bible in the world. And these "traditions" are not new either. In fact we are warned by Paul about this very thing.
1 Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Where is this quote from?
Ex. 32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
Another reference to a MC tradition of creating their own "Feasts unto the Lord".
This all is revealed with the "Mirror" James speaks of.
It's not just about the Sabbath. It's about the God of Abraham vs. the god of man's church. And this battle has been going on since Abel was killed by his "Christian" brother.
So how can you "love your neighbor as yourself" if you teach "doctrines and traditions of man" over the teaching and walk of Christ?
Wonderful thread, great civil conversation between the brethren about important things.
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