DO you think the Vegas killer's millions should be paid to the victims? (POLL)

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DO you think the Vegas killer's millions should be paid to the victims? (POLL)

  • YES

    Votes: 15 71.4%

  • NO

    Votes: 4 19.0%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • I don't care if they get it or not

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    21
WineRose

WineRose

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...But why would dead people want money, anyway? Do they have to pay some ferryman to escort them to their 'final destination'? I'm sure that doesn't cost that much...

(It's just a joke. Don't ban me pls)
 
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mj007

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Feb 5, 2017
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I think it should all go to a cat charity. I like cats.
 
maxwel

maxwel

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Apr 18, 2013
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I think those millions should all be spent trying to explain reality to atheists and liberals.

But those scant millions probably aren't enough.
 
tanakh

tanakh

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WineRose said:
...But why would dead people want money, anyway? Do they have to pay some ferryman to escort them to their 'final destination'? I'm sure that doesn't cost that much...

(It's just a joke. Don't ban me pls)
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Its a joke in poor taste. Some of te victims have serious injuries that will affect the rest of their lives.
 
maxwel

maxwel

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Apr 18, 2013
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Joking aside, using the money to help the victims "seems" like a good idea.

However... like any modern tragedy, this event has already turned into a political football,
with people on various sides using it to prop up their respective positions.



It's probably good that all these things need to go to court.
There may be precedents at stake if people start reinterpreting any existing law over an emotionally charged event.


These kinds of things are bad on many different levels.
And all the sharks come out of the water when there's money and political cache.
 
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mj007

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Feb 5, 2017
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I totally agree with you.

maxwel said:
Joking aside, using the money to help the victims "seems" like a good idea.

However... like any modern tragedy, this event has already turned into a political football,
with people on various sides using it to prop up their respective positions.



It's probably good that all these things need to go to court.
There may be precedents at stake if people start reinterpreting any existing law over an emotionally charged event.


These kinds of things are bad on many different levels.
And all the sharks come out of the water when there's money and political cache.
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Dude653

Dude653

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Mar 19, 2011
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WineRose said:
...But why would dead people want money, anyway? Do they have to pay some ferryman to escort them to their 'final destination'? I'm sure that doesn't cost that much...

(It's just a joke. Don't ban me pls)
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Troll much?
But anyway
The victims and their survivors should absolutely be compensated
 
Billyd

Billyd

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May 8, 2014
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All of the shooter's assets should got to the victims. In addition, to the extent that they are responsible, the concert promoters, the security planners, and the hotel and the casino should pay. Lawyers should not get any more that 5% of any settlement that is earned for the victims.
 
notuptome

notuptome

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May 17, 2013
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The money belongs to the government. Until the courts and attorneys are done there will not be 12 cents left to compensate victims families.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Ugly

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No they shouldn't. Why should his brother lose out on what was his because his now dead brother did something crazy? They aren't taking the money from a dead guy as a punishment, they're taking it from innocent people.

It all sounds like a money grab between wanting to take a dead man's money and suing a hotel for not having proper exits at an outdoor concert.
 
peacenik

peacenik

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May 11, 2016
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tanakh said:
Its a joke in poor taste. Some of te victims have serious injuries that will affect the rest of their lives.
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Those innocent victims have got to be compensated in order to indemnify them against future medical and life costs. If they are not indemnified, the welfare rolls will increase and millions of dollars in taxes will be spent to support them. Better that the victimizer's estate rather than the taxpayers be burdened.
 
zeroturbulence

zeroturbulence

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Aug 2, 2009
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How about this... What if you had a rich sibling and they seemed 100% normal their entire life, then one day they kill a bunch of folks...

Is it fair that the large sum of money they left you in their will goes to the victims instead? IN other words, should the killer's family be penalized for his actions?

That's the real question here.
 
Maka

Maka

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Jun 26, 2017
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zeroturbulence said:
How about this... What if you had a rich sibling and they seemed 100% normal their entire life, then one day they kill a bunch of folks...

Is it fair that the large sum of money they left you in their will goes to the victims instead? IN other words, should the killer's family be penalized for his actions?

That's the real question here.
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If I was his sister I would want the money to go to the victims. Some people will try to profit from his evil act. But, I wouldn’t take a cent. The innocent victims are the ones who need the help.
 
Billyd

Billyd

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May 8, 2014
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zeroturbulence said:
How about this... What if you had a rich sibling and they seemed 100% normal their entire life, then one day they kill a bunch of folks...

Is it fair that the large sum of money they left you in their will goes to the victims instead? IN other words, should the killer's family be penalized for his actions?

That's the real question here.
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Until the will is probated, the money still belongs to the deceased. Regardless of what he said he was leaving you, you only get what is left after all his bill are paid. The man owes the victims' families a lot more than he has in assets. Guess what? You're only entitled to the leftovers when the will is probated.
 
peacenik

peacenik

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May 11, 2016
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zeroturbulence said:
How about this... What if you had a rich sibling and they seemed 100% normal their entire life, then one day they kill a bunch of folks...

Is it fair that the large sum of money they left you in their will goes to the victims instead? IN other words, should the killer's family be penalized for his actions?

That's the real question here.
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That is a good question. When considering who is to be compensated, society must weigh society's interests versus those of a handful of people. Society understandably wants to reduce all manner of welfare costs. It also wants to reduce taxes which are used to pay compensation. And it wants to impose retribution under circumstances like these which mete out just punishment where appropriate without unfairly imposing in any way upon anyone else.


Should his innocent family member suffer for his evil actions? Ask yourself, should innocent victims go without compensation? Should society raise taxes in order to pay medical costs, funeral costs, disability pensions for those now unable to work because of the injuries he imposed? I think we can all sympathize with the few wealthy family members who will now face court imposed disinheritance. But justice and the equities will weigh their interests against the rest of society and will likely say there is an over riding societal interests in meeting the financial needs of the poor and middle class people who will endure a very uncertain and burdensome future.


We will not see or hear the conclusion of this case for a long time to come. People will file lawsuits against the hotel for failing to take sufficient safeguards which would have protected the victims. Others will sue the weapons manufacturers under the concept of assumption of risk for creating lethal weaponry that jeopardize the public well being. Others will likely sue his medical providers for not alerting the authorities as to the dangers the perpetrator represented. All victims, whether those of the perpetrator or his family members, will have to wait a long time before they get any form of compensation for their losses. Hopefully, justice will be served for all.
 
peacenik

peacenik

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May 11, 2016
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Erratum: I wrote "assumption of risk" above but meant to post "strict liability". Sorry for the error.
 
Dino246

Dino246

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Jun 30, 2015
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Legally? No. Ethically/morally? Yes, absolutely.

At the very least, the shooter's estate should be required to cover all medical bills (lifetime) for the injuries, all funeral costs, extra travel costs that wouldn't have been incurred otherwise, all property damage, and there should be a fund available for counseling costs for victims and families.

That should eat it all up in about... gone already.
 
Oncefallen

Oncefallen

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Jan 15, 2011
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zeroturbulence said:
How about this... What if you had a rich sibling and they seemed 100% normal their entire life, then one day they kill a bunch of folks...

Is it fair that the large sum of money they left you in their will goes to the victims instead? IN other words, should the killer's family be penalized for his actions?

That's the real question here.
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Billyd said:
Until the will is probated, the money still belongs to the deceased. Regardless of what he said he was leaving you, you only get what is left after all his bill are paid. The man owes the victims' families a lot more than he has in assets. Guess what? You're only entitled to the leftovers when the will is probated.
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Pretty much what Billy said. If my parents amassed a couple of hundred thousand in retirement accounts prior to their passing, I don't see a penny of it until all their liabilities (mortgage, medical bills, etc) are paid. If they passed in a car crash in which they were found to be at fault, other persons injured in the crash would sue their estate for compensation.
 
Dude653

Dude653

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Mar 19, 2011
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If you and your someone, injured party has the right to sue you for compensation. Why should this be any different?
 
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