Sin Confession: A Waste of Breath?

PJW · Oct 12, 2017

It seems you don't believe..."[FONT=&quot]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)

Oak trees don't bring forth anything but oaks.[/FONT]

Bogadile · Oct 12, 2017

PJW said:

Let us get to the core of this: Do you believe you never actually commit sin, or are you taking the gnostic position that your "spirit never sins" but the flesh may do so?

Furthermore, if your interpretation of 1 john 3:9 is correct, why did the same epistle contain 1 John 2:1?

oldethennew · Oct 12, 2017

for those who have ears to hear, can you discern what these followers
of satanic-professed-preachers are doing and saying???
it's mind-boggling that people are professing that they 'have-already-attained',
run their 'race', and are done!?!?
1COR. 9:27.
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means,
when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway./!?!?

they are denying Jesus Christ's Holy Sacrifice, and thus, His Holy Job, as He sits
on the right hand of The Father'...
HEB. 7:25.
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him,
seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.

our 'past-sins', upon 'conversion', are wiped-away, a clean slate, period! but after
when we fall and fail Him, our Holy Saviour, Jesus Christ, our Intercessor',
He will ask The Father to pardon us when we come to Him in heart-felt 'repentance'...
you can take this to the bank, IF YOU DON'T 'TURN-AWAY', from your past, sinning, ways,
If you continue in them, you are counting His Holy Sacrifice as a 'common thing'...
HEB. 10:26-27-28-29.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has
trodden under foot The Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant,
wherewith He was Sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto The Spirit of Grace?
(these Scriptures are written to 'believers'...)

HEB. 10:38-39.
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, My Soul shall have no pleasure in him.???

But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition;
but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

ROM. 11:22.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity;
but toward thee, goodness, if you continue in His goodness: otherwise you also shalt be cut off.

(Holy Sacrifice - Holy Intercession)

these 'new-age-self-proclaimed-mega-rich-preachers', are just like Jesus prophesied
in Matt. 24:11.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

11PETER 2:20-21.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of
The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome,
the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than,
after they have known, to turn from The Holy Commandment delivered unto them.

meagain1945 · Oct 12, 2017

Once we have been ''saved'' it is a finished work that JESUS accomplished

Being repentant does not add anything to HIS "FINISHED" work.

IF you add anything to HIS "FINISHED" work you make it void !!!

joaniemarie · Oct 12, 2017

PJW said:

The verse you quoted is key too.

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.

We as believers are no longer guilty or subject to the law of sin and death. But we can in our ignorance subject ourselves to it when we have already been freed from it. And many Christians are doing this. I did it for years as a way of walking my Christian life. But now am learning to walk by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

We have many gifts given to us in our salvation that have to be "worked out" We work out what Jesus worked in us. He is the one who does the work and we do the believing. We join Him as Gal.2:20 says. But as we are learning., we are still walking and following Jesus.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

It's not relying on our works of how well we follow Him., It's about living by the faith... reliance and complete trust in what Jesus has done. Not our works and how well we can follow.

Hizikyah · Oct 12, 2017

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."

Issachar92 · Oct 12, 2017

meagain1945 said:

No verses.

The bible says to "add to your faith" (2 Peter 1:5). Dont listen to all the slogans the pastors throw at ya.
Being repentant is a requirement for salvation. (luke 24:47, acts 2:38, acts 3:19, acts 26:20[check this one out in particular, its Paul, the one of whom yall repeat not of works, hes preaching in that verse, and surprise he is preaching repentance and do WORKS meet for repentance.], acts 17:30, mark 1:15, matthew 3:8, 2 corinthians 7:10, hebrews 6:1, 2 peter 3:9, rev. 2:5 etc)

There is a list of things that christians often repeat and say that aint actually taught in the bible, and the opposite is true. Dunno how the devil got em in the church but them things is hard to pluck out!

The not of works in Ephesians 2:8-9 once again, refers to works of the law, such as circumcision, which was a big controversy at the time (acts 15:1).
It aint talking about obeying Jesus as works or God forbid 'dead works' (john 3:36, 2 thessalonians 1:7-8, Hebrews 5:9, romans 2:6-7)
Look at how faith is defined in Hebrews 11. It aint just a mere mental acknowledgment of something, even the demons know all the facts. Perfect place to see faith in action, working faith is hebrews 11, with multiple examples, and as you can see, to our forefathers faith was alive.

meagain1945 · Oct 12, 2017

Issachar92 said:

No verses.

The bible says to "add to your faith" (2 Peter 1:5). Dont listen to all the slogans the pastors throw at ya.
Being repentant is a requirement for salvation. (luke 24:47, acts 2:38, acts 3:19, acts 26:20[check this one out in particular, its Paul, the one of whom yall repeat not of works, hes preaching in that verse, and surprise he is preaching repentance and do WORKS meet for repentance.], acts 17:30, mark 1:15, matthew 3:8, 2 corinthians 7:10, hebrews 6:1, 2 peter 3:9, rev. 2:5 etc)

There is a list of things that christians often repeat and say that aint actually taught in the bible, and the opposite is true. Dunno how the devil got em in the church but them things is hard to pluck out!

The not of works in Ephesians 2:8-9 once again, refers to works of the law, such as circumcision, which was a big controversy at the time (acts 15:1).
It aint talking about obeying Jesus as works or God forbid 'dead works' (john 3:36, 2 thessalonians 1:7-8, Hebrews 5:9, romans 2:6-7)
Look at how faith is defined in Hebrews 11. It aint just a mere mental acknowledgment of something, even the demons know all the facts. Perfect place to see faith in action, working faith is hebrews 11, with multiple examples, and as you can see, to our forefathers faith was alive.

Dear Friend, IF we had to keep ourselves ''saved'' then it would NOT be HIS work for us !!!
You make it VOID when you add to HIS work.
Yes there are rewards and God will burn up all that does not please HIM but salvation is a gift !!!

joaniemarie · Oct 12, 2017

joaniemarie said:

Had more on this post that got deleted when my internet went off for a few minutes. We don't crucify our own flesh., we (recon it to have been done) as Gal.2:20 states. Most of the truths I have seen come to fruition are the ones I've stopped and reconned to be true by faith. It is then that I have seen them become a part of the day to day of my life in such things as healing and other promises that have been given to all of us in the atonement.

We walk by faith now because as believers that is what we are called to. We are not to walk by sight because if we do., we will not see the promises freely given to us (by faith) Amazing.

7seasrekeyed · Oct 12, 2017

meagain1945 said:

repentance is not grieving over sin

repentance is a 180 turn AWAY from sin. it's agreeing with what God says

it does not mean sackcloth and ashes

this thread is not really about 'adding' to salvation

Issachar92 · Oct 12, 2017

meagain1945 said:

I provided verses for what i was saying. You just said it and that settles it?
Oh well, lets leave it there. God bless and have a good day.

joaniemarie · Oct 12, 2017

7seasrekeyed said:

I agree with the bold type above. this, is the backbone of salvation and I guess that makes it a really good thing to agree on

this expression, not under law, has been used to the point, IMO, that it has become an expression rather than something we understand from scripture

It may be an expression to you but you can't say it is for others. It is something many of us Christians understand and believe from Scripture. As a matter of fact it's vital to know we are no longer called to performance but to faith.

we need to remember that salvation, including the OT (refer to Abraham PRIOR to Moses receiving any law) was ALWAYS by faith

Before the law came there was no 10 commandments. It was a different covenant under Abraham. And today we are all the sons of Abraham and the daughters of Sarah.

no animal sacrifice EVER actually did away with sins. animals are not moral beings and therefore no more guilty of sin than a tree. it's important to understand this, because the way some people seem to post as though there are but 2 covenants, leads me to suspect they may believe the sacrifices did do away with sin and/or there are but two covenants...the old and the new...when there are I believe it is 7 actually.

But under the Mosaic covenant there were requirements that had to met. They had to sacrifice the animals and have the blood flow as a picture and it was a requirement for them to DO. If they didn't., the sins of the people stood and the people suffered and died if they did not meet those requirements. If the human high priests didn't do the job., they were killed. So not sure where you are going with this. You can't dismiss the requirements of each covenant as if they never happened.

at the final judgement, EACH of us will be judged. so, it is incorrect to state no more judgement is coming...however, some will receive eternal life without rewards as their 'works' will not stand the test of fire and will be burned u

It's not incorrect to say allllll our sin and all judgment was placed on Jesus and we will not stand and answer for our sins. Jesus already did that. Our works for rewards will be tested., not for salvation. Our (works) as Christians if done by the flesh and not in the Spirit will be burned and we won't have anything to lay at Jesus feet and we won't receive the individual rewards that He has laid up for us. This is very individual. But our salvation is totally a finished work by Jesus. And the works we do must be done by faith not by the flesh.
This is all in the Bible too.

this is all in the Bible.

when we take a look at ourselves, we are, more or less, 'judging' ourselves. I understand from your posts that you want to keep a clean slate between you and God as do I and prob most people here who are sincere in their pursuit of living for Him

I can't keep my slate clean but I do rely on Jesus and know that He has already cleaned me and washed me and made me perfect before Him in love. I'm doing that by faith each day because it's a spiritual truth not something my flesh finds easy to believe. As I said before in the other post., we r to recon these things to be so by faith.

from that, we concur that we do not wish to continue in sin as no Christian should. I believe most certainly, that we do agree on that; demonstrating a true and saving faith, and not just lip service

Well this is a surprise., 2 days of agreeing on some things. wowzo. Praise the LORD!

joaniemarie · Oct 12, 2017

I've posted this before but it needs to be said again. This is only a small and only partial explanation about understanding the old and new covenant. There is a new covenant today and we are in it. The requirement for us to enter in is by grace through faith. Not by works of establishing our own righteousness. excuse the large yelling txt. am not good at this combining cut and paste with my own words yet.

The Bible is made up of two documents: the Old Testament and the New Testament. These documents roughly equate to two covenants: the old covenant and the new covenant. I say roughly because the old covenant did not begin in Genesis 1 and the new covenant did not begin in Matthew 1.

A covenant is a binding agreement between two parties characterized by promises and obligations. In a biblical context, a covenant describes how God relates to people.

The old covenant, which was based on law, was how God related to the nation of Israel. The new covenant, which is based on grace, is how God relates to everybody, including the Jews.

The old covenant came into effect at Mt. Sinai through Moses, Israel’s representative, while the new covenant came into effect at Mt. Calvary through Christ, humanity’s representative.

On the night before his death the Son of God announced a “new covenant in my blood” (Luke 22:20). He was literally declaring his last will and testament, a new covenant that would come into effect when he died (Hebrews 9:16-17).

The new covenant was new

In every way, the new covenant is superior to the old.

– The old covenant failed because it hinged on your imperfect obedience, but new covenant endures because it is founded on Christ’s perfect obedience unto death.

– The old covenant says you will be blessed if you do good, but the new declares we are blessed because God is good.

– The old covenant warns that you will be punished if you do bad, but the new declares that in Christ you are eternally unpunishable.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. (Hebrews 8:7)

On the cross the sinless Savior fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law. The old covenant that had been so shabbily treated by the children of Israel could now be satisfactorily concluded. Thus, with his final breath, Jesus declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30). The old covenant began when Moses received the law; it ended when Christ fulfilled it.

Overlapping covenants?

Some say the covenants existed side-by-side for a generation. “The old covenant it didn’t end, it merely became obsolete. The temple sacrifices continued as before until God judged Jerusalem in AD70.”

Those who subscribe to overlapping covenants point out that David was anointed king while Saul was still on the throne. “The new and the old orders existed side by side, and this parallels what happened in the generation after Christ’s death.”

But David did not ascend to the throne of Israel until after Saul’s death. They were never king at the same time. Similarly, Jesus died (fulfilling the old covenant) before ascending into heaven to be crowned as king. There was no overlapping kingship and no overlapping covenant.

The old covenant did not end with the beheading of John the Baptist. Nor did it end with the disappearance of Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration. These were dramatic scenes in the final act of the old covenant play, but the curtain did not fall until the climactic sacrifice of God’s Lamb.

The cross changed everything

In the moment Jesus died the temple veil was supernaturally torn. It was rent from top to bottom signifying that God was done with the old covenant. The law was a shadow, but Christ is the reality. Jesus is the old covenant fulfilled.

By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. (Hebrews 8:13, NIV)

Christ’s perfect sacrifice made the old covenant instantly obsolete. From God’s perspective it had served no further purpose. Yet after Christ died religious Jews continued bringing animals to the temple to be slain in ritual sacrifice.

Imagine how offensive those sacrifices must have been in the eyes of heaven. Each sacrifice declared, “Jesus died for nothing.” Every priest and penitent was essentially saying, “God, your Son’s death means nothing to me.” What an insult! What blasphemy!

Yet no lightning bolts fell from heaven. The ground did not open up and swallow these blasphemers.

Unauthorized sacrifices

Contrast that with what happened to Aaron’s sons when they brought an unauthorized offering into the tabernacle: Fire from God consumed them (Leviticus 10:1-2). Nadab and Abihu died as screaming, burning testimonies to the seriousness of sin. But that was under the old covenant which was no more.

Now in the new covenant, priests who brought unauthorized sacrifices went home unharmed. They didn’t know it but they were living testimonies of God’s grace. Had the old covenant still been in effect, there could have been fire and screaming. There would have been one animal sacrifice and no more. But the old covenant was finished, so unauthorized and blasphemous sacrifices continued for years.

But he, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12)

Jesus sat but the Jews stood for there are no chairs in the temple. For forty years they carried on with their religious rituals as though nothing had changed, but everything had changed. This is why God never judged them, not in AD30, nor in AD70.

How could he when their sin had been borne by the Savior they rejected?
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joaniemarie · Oct 12, 2017

PJW said:

Hi PJW., Did you know that Romans 8:1 is correctly translated in only a few Bibles. I've discovered the NAS is the translation that is most accurate so I use it mostly but also use the KJV and Amplified too. There is no condition except having being IN Christ in Romans 8:1

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. (Period)

The condition is ONLY those who are IN Christ Jesus.
It frustrates me that some of the translators added to the Bible in certain verses. But there are things we have to be aware of by comparing Scriptures with Scriptures. How can there be condemnation when Jesus took all our condemnation and made us 100% righteous in His sight? That is one of the reasons the OP (Ben) started this thread. We can't confess our way back into God's good graces. We already have His good graces IN Christ.

I've found my biggest problems arise when I forget who I am IN Christ. That is when the enemy gains a foot hold in our lives. he did it with Adam and Eve and he keeps using the same trick with Christians today and he's used it all through the centuries. God no longer deals with us according to our sins. He no longer counts our sins against us.

But if we live our lives like God does condemn us and doesn't see us IN Christ.... we will miss out on millions of promises that are ours IN Christ. We won't boldly walk as the sons of God because we will walk as if we only get what we deserve. We get what Jesus deserves. We deserve nothing on our own. And some Christians live that way sadly.

FlSnookman7 · Oct 12, 2017

I think it is important to remember that the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has been a very contentious issue since the gospel was first revealed to Paul. I am reading a history book and guess what Martin Luther's main issue with the church was when he nailed his ideas to the church door? You got it, the church at the time was selling forgiveness and Martin Luther reasoned (quite correctly) that forgiveness is by God's grace alone.

Paul himself was beaten with rods, boiled in oil, whipped and plotted against all because the leaders of his day could not or would not accept that Jesus has done for us that which we are unable to do for ourselves. Entire large scale institutional churches are built on the lie that Jesus work on the cross was not enough and that we must somehow add to it. That is arrogance personified.

Still we should not put the blame on those who are trying to follow God but are being deceived by their church and or church leaders. Instead we should pray for them so that they too can break free of the bondage that a false works doctrine keeps them in and so they may finally come to believe they are who God says they are. Again, this is a very difficult principle as it goes against both what we can see and what the world says to be true.

When we see people pick out one part of a sentence or use one or two verses out of context we must realize that is what they have been taught oftentimes in good faith by teachers who were also deceived. They are still saved and still part of the same body we are so we are to love them instead of arguing in a mean spirited way. I have been guilty of this in the past and will strive to do better in the future. We must, above all else, LOVE one another.

This medium, while certainly useful, is often plagued by misunderstanding because we tend to think others will read into what we post with the same emotion with which we posted it. This can cause misunderstanding and bitterness. I will strive from now on to post the truth as I know it and refrain from contentious bickering and snide comments. This will be difficult for me as satire and sarcasm are very natural traits for me...humor!! But I will try harder to be more conscious of others feelings here in CC. I DO have a great deal of love for those here, even those I disagree with. What a blessing to be able to use this medium to sing the praises of our Lord!! Shalom.

MarcR · Oct 12, 2017

FlSnookman7 said:

One could argue we are still in Acts but be that as it may while I do not like the delivery of PJW he does have a great point. Did Jesus take away the sin of the world or did He not? If Jesus finished work on the cross does not account for future sins how can we be saved thousands of years after the crucifixion?

God says we have been made the righteousness of God in Christ, God says we are redeemed and that He remembers our sin no more. If I think or feel like I am still a sinner but God says I am not one of us is mistaken...hint...it isn't God.

Again, I know that many major religious institutions like to say we must confess and usually they say we must somehow use someone who works for them to do this but that is how they keep people in bondage. Jesus came to set the captives free.
I know it is a very difficult thing indeed to put down our pride and ego and rely solely on what Jesus did on that cross for our salvation but again God's Word states time and again that we are not under any condemnation, that we are righteous and that trying to establish our own righteousness (by daily confession, repentance etc) is actually showing disobedience to God.

Romans 10:3-4 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Again, this is the meat of the Word so pray then read and see if God will enlighten you to these amazing truths. Shalom.

I agree with you. If, as you and I do, we understand take away the sin of the world to mean take away the sin of humanity.

Those who believe in specific election may stumble over our interpretation. I can understand where they are coming from and disagree with them at the same time.

MarcR · Oct 12, 2017

meagain1945 said:

Our sins, present, past, and future are forgiven. Our confession is not to secure forgiveness but rather to acknowledge that we should not be comfortable with sin even though it is forgiven. It is also a preamble to asking help in avoiding repetition of our sin.

presidente · Oct 12, 2017

BenFTW said:

If Jesus made one sacrifice for sins forever, why do any Israelites have to believe in Him for their sins to be forgiven? Why do any of us?

Jesus made one sacrifice for sins forever, but for us to recieve the benefits of the sacrifice, we have to believe in Him. If we have already believed in Him and have been forgiven from sin, and sin again, we are to confess our sins, because if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse of all unrighteousness as I John says. And in order to receive this salvation, we also have to continue in faith, as the author of Hebrews writes,

Hebrews 3:!4
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Compare this to I Corinthians 15:2.

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

MarcR · Oct 12, 2017

Originally Posted by BenFTW

The Lord's Prayer = Forgiving others in order to be forgiven (this isn't sin confession).

1 John 1:9 = Confess your sins in order to be forgiven (with a misunderstanding of the verse).
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People point out the Lord's prayer as a source for sin confession, but it isn't even about confessing sin. Its about receiving forgiveness, and only on that count does it merit consideration in this discussion of total forgiveness. It does not, however, come in agreement with sin confession for forgiveness, its another matter entirely.

The Lord's prayer suggests a formula for receiving forgiveness from God, and that formula is that we receive forgiveness from the Father dependent upon our forgiveness of other's trespasses towards us. Now, consider these verses of the Lord's prayer (and formula) in relation to everything we can glean from Hebrews of the total forgiveness of sin we have, how sin is dealt with through bloodshed, and Jesus as our High Priest able to save us completely since He has an eternal priesthood. There seems to be a contradiction, and for this reason, it needs to be resolved.

I want to reemphasize, the Lord's prayer is not about sin confession (nor is it a supporting argument for it). It is however a presented avenue of receiving forgiveness that contradicts (seemingly) the forgiveness we have because of Jesus Christ. How can this be resolved? What are we missing?

Well, I would poise a few questions to you. Are we saved by grace through faith, or works? Do we find in the New Testament, past Jesus' death and resurrection, any mention of forgiving others in order to receive forgiveness? And finally, did Jesus fail to obtain for us forgiveness by the shedding of His blood? Lets take a look at these questions and their implications.

Are we saved by grace through faith or works? How is this relevant to the discussion? Well, forgiveness has been obtained through faith in Jesus Christ, right? How then under the New Covenant must we forgive others in order to receive forgiveness when it is something that has already been granted? Now consider this, think upon it.

If our forgiveness is dependent upon our willingness to forgive others, then salvation is not by grace through faith, but by works. Works being an effort of our own, and that is our willingness to forgive others. Salvation at this point is a wage due and not a free gift because I, personally, met God's criteria of forgiving others so that I would be forgiven. Is Jesus truly my savior when my forgiveness lies in my hands?

Secondly, do we find any mention whatsoever of the necessity to forgive others in order to receive forgiveness from the Father, after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (the beginning of the new covenant)? No, on the contrary we find exactly the opposite.

Ephesians 4:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Colossians 3:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

Please note that we have been, past tense, forgiven and for this reason we ought to forgive. The Lord's prayer says to forgive in order to receive forgiveness, the new covenant post Jesus' death and resurrection says to forgive because you have been forgiven. It is ours, not something we earn. Which we now go to the final question and point.

Did Jesus fail to obtain for us the forgiveness of sins through the shedding of His blood? Well, what does the Word of God says about sin and how it experiences remission?

Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV)

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hebrews 10:18 King James Version (KJV)

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

We see then that forgiveness of sin is dependent upon bloodshed and it is through Christ's sacrifice that our sin experienced remission/forgiveness.

Hebrews 10:10-14 King James Version (KJV)

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The implication of these verses is that we are forgiven, Jesus' sacrifice is sufficient and through His bloodshed our sins have experienced remission. How does scripture say we, if you will, apply this to our account? By faith. We believe the Gospel, believe God's account of His Son and the redemptive plan of salvation.

These three questions led us to what conclusion? Our forgiveness is through Jesus Christ as He shed His blood for the remission of our sins, that our salvation is not of our own doing but is by grace through faith (and so our forgiveness is by the Lord, not our willingness to forgive others), and Jesus was, indeed, successful in His mission to reconcile us to the Father. We also see that no where after Jesus died and resurrected and the new covenant was put in place that our forgiveness is dependent upon our willingness to forgive others, rather our forgiveness of others is encouraged by the reality of the forgiveness we have from God for Christ's sake. Amen, hallelujah!

BenFTW said:

1 Jn 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
KJV

ἐὰν......... ὁμολογῶμεν........ τὰς. ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν πιστός... ἐστιν ...... καὶ ..δίκαιος ἵνα ἀφῇ... ἡμῖν τὰς
Since we continually confess the... sins ......our faithful he has been and ..just.. to dismiss.... our the...

ἁμαρτίας καὶ καθαρίσῃ ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ πάσης.... ἁδικίας.
sins ........and cleanse... us from all ....unrighteousness

Speak2Me · Oct 12, 2017

MarcR said:

Eternal security? OSAS? Or hypergrace?

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