A house divided will not stand

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Last night I had the pleasure of attending a church service that was held at a local high school where several churches across several denominations (methodists, pentecostals, different forms of baptists) who decided to put aside doctrinal differences and gather together to worship God together in spirit and in truth. During the course of this service the pressence of the Holy Spirit could be felt very strongly. I have been to several different kinds of churches individually and have yet to experience that level the anointing that I witnessed last night on an individual basis. God is definitely up to something in that town. Praise the Lord!

Anyway, the point I would like to make is this. In this forum there is a lot of denominational bickering and banter against other churches. People of this belief declaring that people of that belief are basically going to hell. While I agree that certain churches have strayed somewhat here or there, the truth is, while there doctrine may not be completely sound, we can not condemn an entire congregation. Each congregation, regardless of what denomination, are made up of several individuals. Who are we to judge an entire congregation the spiritual state of every individual according to a distorted lines of doctrine that many may not even be aware of? We can't because we are not the judge. The job belongs to Jesus Christ and Christ alone.

It's time to grow up people. You can continue to argue and cause division all you like but as for me, I put my trust and faith in the Lord that He has a plan for His people in these days. I'm sure that plan involves a church that pure like a virgin bride. Not a church that is filthy and saturated with personal pride.
 
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I agree! To be honest, I have been a little turned off by some of the responses to simple question or subjects. To me God is the All Knowing Daddy of everything and everyone.

I have a perfect example: Two weeks ago I was in Bible study, and we read a very familiar scripture and two people came up with two interpectations of that particular scripture. I could honestly see both sides. No one was wrong. It all depends on where you are in your walk with The Father.

I don't believe in false Doc., but I will say I grew up not wearing pants, making up or cutting my hair. Now I wear more pants than dresses, my face always has some color on it and I wear a short hair cut. Ain't God good!
 
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KingdomGeneration said:
Last night I had the pleasure of attending a church service that was held at a local high school where several churches across several denominations (methodists, pentecostals, different forms of baptists) who decided to put aside doctrinal differences and gather together to worship God together in spirit and in truth. During the course of this service the pressence of the Holy Spirit could be felt very strongly. I have been to several different kinds of churches individually and have yet to experience that level the anointing that I witnessed last night on an individual basis. God is definitely up to something in that town. Praise the Lord!

Anyway, the point I would like to make is this. In this forum there is a lot of denominational bickering and banter against other churches. People of this belief declaring that people of that belief are basically going to hell. While I agree that certain churches have strayed somewhat here or there, the truth is, while there doctrine may not be completely sound, we can not condemn an entire congregation. Each congregation, regardless of what denomination, are made up of several individuals. Who are we to judge an entire congregation the spiritual state of every individual according to a distorted lines of doctrine that many may not even be aware of? We can't because we are not the judge. The job belongs to Jesus Christ and Christ alone.

It's time to grow up people. You can continue to argue and cause division all you like but as for me, I put my trust and faith in the Lord that He has a plan for His people in these days. I'm sure that plan involves a church that pure like a virgin bride. Not a church that is filthy and saturated with personal pride.
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Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3 (KJV)


The modern church has been stained with apostasy and heresy.
 
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A carnally minded person focusses on the divisions and argues them. They can't see past the issues of whatever divides and how things look in the spiritual realm. A spiritually minded person can see God's heart in the matter, and doesn't mind mixing with christians of different denominations, and doesn't let the differences bother them much.
 
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MahogonySnail said:
A carnally minded person focusses on the divisions and argues them. They can't see past the issues of whatever divides and how things look in the spiritual realm. A spiritually minded person can see God's heart in the matter, and doesn't mind mixing with christians of different denominations, and doesn't let the differences bother them much.
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Look up the word ''ecumenism''.
 
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yep it's a good thing. Christian ecumenism that is.
 
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Look up the phrase ''ecclesiastical separation''.
 
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owwwww....
 
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KingdomGeneration said:
Look up the word "pride".
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Look up the word ''apostasy'' and the words ''truth'' and ''error''. Then go through and read I, II, and III John and mark how many times John the ''apostle of love'' uses the word ''truth''. Would be a helpful study for you.

 
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Where is the Love!!!!!!!
 
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To Whom It May Concern,

Here is another observation that is worthy for consideration in relationship to 'the disciple that Jesus loved'. You will not find any form of the verb 'repent' or the noun 'repentance' in any of John's writings. You won't find similiar words like 'turn, turned or turning' that were translated from the same root word either. Now you would think one of the original apostles and disciples of Christ, that walked with Him, was taught by Him and heard Christ preach on the subject of repentance including the parables, would have something to say about repentance, but he didn't. He spoke lots on 'believing', on 'love' and what to do 'if we sin', but nothing on repentance. Do you think that John missed something from the Holy Spirit in writing the gospel, that is so important to the gospel, that by itself as a gospel could mislead someone by leaving out repentance?

Could anyone, that just read the gospel of John, become truly saved according to a gospel that has left out repentance, a core principle to being saved and forgiven of sin? How can anyone be saved without 'turning' or 'repenting' from sin? Can we only 'believe' and be saved without 'repentance'? If not, then John did not write a complete gospel. If that is true we should reject that gospel right away.

Of course we believe that the gospel of John is inspired by God and many have turned to Christ according to the message that John conveys in his gospel. There are no mistakes, nothing left out and it is complete in and of itself to be included in the canon of scriptures along with his epistles. The observation is true and those that put such an emphasis on 'repentance' need to include this finding in their interpretation and in doctrine and in their preaching concerning 'repentance'.

Couple of examples found in scripture. The thief that hung next to Christ believed and was found with Christ in Paradise. Not one of the disciples of Christ is ever recorded repenting of any sin, though they may have, but it did not make it into the scriptures. Even Peter after denying the LORD, three times, was not recorded repenting of his sin of denying Christ. Please show me where the Apostle Paul had repented of sin. Even after hid dilemma with the law of sin in (Rom 7), you won't find him repenting but you will find him confessing truth starting with 'NO CONDEMNATION' in (Rom 8:1) and exploding with no one being able to separate from the love of God.
 
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To Whom It May Concern,

Here is another observation that is worthy for consideration in relationship to 'the disciple that Jesus loved'. You will not find any form of the verb 'repent' or the noun 'repentance' in any of John's writings. You won't find similiar words like 'turn, turned or turning' that were translated from the same root word either. Now you would think one of the original apostles and disciples of Christ, that walked with Him, was taught by Him and heard Christ preach on the subject of repentance including the parables, would have something to say about repentance, but he didn't. He spoke lots on 'believing', on 'love' and what to do 'if we sin', but nothing on repentance. Do you think that John missed something from the Holy Spirit in writing the gospel, that is so important to the gospel, that by itself as a gospel could mislead someone by leaving out repentance?

Could anyone, that just read the gospel of John, become truly saved according to a gospel that has left out repentance, a core principle to being saved and forgiven of sin? How can anyone be saved without 'turning' or 'repenting' from sin? Can we only 'believe' and be saved without 'repentance'? If not, then John did not write a complete gospel. If that is true we should reject that gospel right away.

Of course we believe that the gospel of John is inspired by God and many have turned to Christ according to the message that John conveys in his gospel. There are no mistakes, nothing left out and it is complete in and of itself to be included in the canon of scriptures along with his epistles. The observation is true and those that put such an emphasis on 'repentance' need to include this finding in their interpretation and in doctrine and in their preaching concerning 'repentance'.

Couple of examples found in scripture. The thief that hung next to Christ believed and was found with Christ in Paradise. Not one of the disciples of Christ is ever recorded repenting of any sin, though they may have, but it did not make it into the scriptures. Even Peter after denying the LORD, three times, was not recorded repenting of his sin of denying Christ. Please show me where the Apostle Paul had repented of sin. Even after hid dilemma with the law of sin in (Rom 7), you won't find him repenting but you will find him confessing truth starting with 'NO CONDEMNATION' in (Rom 8:1) and exploding with no one being able to separate from the love of God.
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I heard someone preach on this awhile back. Interesting stuff, repentance is usually implied when one believes on Christ.
 
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1 Corinthians 1 talks about divisions and factions.

Also,
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?


The names Paul, Apollos, in the above verses, could easily be replaced by any denominational name.


 
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MahogonySnail said:
1 Corinthians 1 talks about divisions and factions.

Also,
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?


The names Paul, Apollos, in the above verses, could easily be replaced by any denominational name.


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Also from Paul

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17 (KJV)


and John


If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 John 1:10-11 (KJV)
 
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Speaking of gnostics:

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.



Not fellow believers in Christ.
 
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Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17 (KJV)
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Which doctrine? The doctrine which says there should be no divisions. The doctrine of Christ which is basically to love one another in unity of the Spirit, being of one mind and one body.


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The bible speaks clearly against factions. It is carnal.
 
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MahogonySnail said:
Which doctrine? The doctrine which says there should be no divisions. The doctrine of Christ which is basically to love one another in unity of the Spirit, being of one mind and one body.




The bible speaks clearly against factions. It is carnal.
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The doctrine delivered to the church through the Apostles, the truth. So should we have joint ministries with anyone who claims to be Christians? Who don't believe the truth and have fallen into error? Should we just ignore all the commands that do with truth? And should we add Mormons and Catholics to that list as well as those whom we ''should'' minister with? After all, they believe Jesus is Lord right?
 
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Well I won't comment on the individual denominations or sects, that would depend, on the individuals, but this is what the bible says (I underlined to emphasise):


Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said, Truly I see that God is no respecter of persons;
Act 10:35 but in every nation he who fears Him and works righteousness is accepted with Him.


Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is for us.


Gill commentary:

Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us, is on our part. Many copies read, "he that is not against you, is for you"; as this man; he was not against either Christ, or his disciples; he was doing the same work, promoting the same interest, and destroying the kingdom of Satan: and therefore, though he did not follow them, and had not his commission immediately from Christ; yet, inasmuch as he was opposing the same common enemy, and did nothing against them, he ought to be reckoned as one for them, and on their side. It is a proverbial expression, signifying that all that are not against a man, and take not the part of his enemy, are to be accounted his friends.



Wesley commentary:

Mar 9:40 For he that is not against you, is for you - Our Lord had formerly said, he that is not with me, is against me: thereby admonishing his hearers, that the war between him and Satan admitted of no neutrality, and that those who were indifferent to him now, would finally be treated as enemies. But here in another view, he uses a very different proverb; directing his followers to judge of men's characters in the most candid manner; and charitably to hope that those who did not oppose his cause wished well to it. Upon the whole, we are to be rigorous in judging ourselves, and candid in judging each other.
 
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Obviously, the churches which Paul addressed in his letters contained individuals of varying opinions and beilefs. Yet he still asks them to remain in unity and overcome their divisions. There will always be heresies in the church even within one individual denomination or church. But God lets the tares grow with the wheat until the harvest. And it is God's job to separate the tares from the wheat not ours. So I see no harm in people of different denominations coming together.
 
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