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1 John 4:20, “If someone says, “I love Yah,” and hates his brother, he is a liar. For the one not loving his brother whom he has seen, how is he able to love Yah whom he has not seen?”
Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G2087 ) any othercommandments aresummed up ( #G346 ) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
James 2:10, "For whoever shall guard all the Torah, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."
Yet you do not believe it because you say you do not keep it and if we break one of the 10 we are guilty before God of breaking all of them.....
James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James says the Royal Law is found in scripture. Now, what would James call scripture being that there was no New Testament during his life? James would only have considered what we call The Old Testament as scripture. So, James says the Royal Law is found in the Old Testament, what law is he talking about. Possibly the "Torah", the "Law", that is the first 5 books of the scriptures which contain 613 commandments all called "The law".
James then quotes the Old Testament, specifically a portion of Exodus that we refer to as "The Ten Commandments"
or what is called in Herbew "Aseret Hadiberot" which literally translates as "ten words, ten utterances, ten sayings"
These 10 sayings are written down for the first time. Even though they were already supposed to be known to the Hebrew Children.
The Law of Liberty not being contrary to the Law of God found in the Torah as the commandments of God. But this Law of Liberty sets you free from sin, that is from the punishment that comes from breaking the Law of God. The same Law of God that is called "perfect", "holy", "righteous", "just", "a lamp unto my feet", and "eternal"
James then quotes the Old Testament, specifically a portion of Exodus that we refer to as "The Ten Commandments"
or what is called in Herbew "Aseret Hadiberot" which literally translates as "ten words, ten utterances, ten sayings"
These 10 sayings are written down for the first time. Even though they were already supposed to be known to the Hebrew Children.
The Law of Liberty not being contrary to the Law of God found in the Torah as the commandments of God. But this Law of Liberty sets you free from sin, that is from the punishment that comes from breaking the Law of God. The same Law of God that is called "perfect", "holy", "righteous", "just", "a lamp unto my feet", and "eternal"
Amen,
I have always believed that Abraham also had the "Law of Liberty" as a mirror, or guide if you will.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
I believe this "Law of Liberty" was kept by Abraham and Noah. It was this law that was being "Transgressed" in Gal. 3:19.
"Wherefore then serveth the law?(Levitical Priesthood) It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
God has His Law of Liberty from creation. Cain was cursed for transgressing it. Sodom was destroyed for transgressing it. Noah and Abraham were blessed for obeying it.
And God "ADDED" the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins 430 years after Abraham.
What do you think?
I have always believed that Abraham also had the "Law of Liberty" as a mirror, or guide if you will.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
I believe this "Law of Liberty" was kept by Abraham and Noah. It was this law that was being "Transgressed" in Gal. 3:19.
"Wherefore then serveth the law?(Levitical Priesthood) It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
God has His Law of Liberty from creation. Cain was cursed for transgressing it. Sodom was destroyed for transgressing it. Noah and Abraham were blessed for obeying it.
And God "ADDED" the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins 430 years after Abraham.
What do you think?
I meant that the "works of the Law" are actually the ceremonies and sacrifices of the Levitical Priesthood used to "cleanse" sin's until Christ came. I think there is a huge misunderstanding about what Paul is speaking to when he talks about "works of the Law". The same church that preaches their own High Days also teach that these works of the Law are God's Holy commandments, and not specifically the Levitical Priesthood. They should be separated from God's righteous laws, as God separated the Levites who administered them. When one does this, it eliminates the perception that Paul is contradictory, not only to his own words, but the words of Jesus and the Prophets.
Any way. Food for thought.
Any way. Food for thought.
There is indeed a lot of confusion in the christian churches....because they have cut themselves off from Israel - yet try to read from a Book that believes in unity and the Commandments of God....as well documented in scripture....hearing does not have the same effect as Doing Jas ch 1 ...so deceiving themselves !
I can now understand why you have no love for God and don't keep His commandments pertaining to Himself.
If Paul can make things difficult for us to understand why not the translators who may also lack perfection like any Human. But soething is wrong when men are more important than God...and it does not get my vote !
If Paul can make things difficult for us to understand why not the translators who may also lack perfection like any Human. But soething is wrong when men are more important than God...and it does not get my vote !
Galatians 5
13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Now if I may share that the one Word is Love... as in Love GOD and each other .... this affirms the Messiah's Testament.. if you read the before and after you will see that it is reflecting on the second like it part of the Great as taught by our Lord... nothing is in place of but attesting to The Lord's Testament.
13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Now if I may share that the one Word is Love... as in Love GOD and each other .... this affirms the Messiah's Testament.. if you read the before and after you will see that it is reflecting on the second like it part of the Great as taught by our Lord... nothing is in place of but attesting to The Lord's Testament.
Actually Dan, that is not true. There are two great commandments. One is our love to God (Exodus 20:1-11; Deut 6:5; Matt 22:36-40) and the second is love to our neighbor (Exodus 20:12-17; Lev 19:18; Matt 22:36-40) Love is indeed the fulfilling of the entire Law. However, if we are breaking any of God's commandments it shows us that we do not have the love of God in us. Only by faith that works by love is God's Law fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit and is why we need to be born again......
Matthew 22:36-40
36, Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37, And he said unto him, (1) Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38, This is the great andfirst commandment. 39, And a second like unto it is this, (2) Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40, On these two commandments the whole law hangs, and the prophets.
Romans 13:8-10
8, Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loves his neighbor hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfillment of the law. (this is the 2nd great commandment of love to our neighbor)
James 2:8-12
8, Howbeit if ye fulfill the royal law, according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, but if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou dost not commit adultery, but killest, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of liberty.
If you are knowingly and willfully breaking any of God's commandments you do not have God's love in you. This includes your duty of love to God in the first great commandment. If you break the 4th commandment you are not fulfilling your duty of your love to God. God is calling us to repent and believe the Gospel for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand....
Matthew 22:36-40
36, Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37, And he said unto him, (1) Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38, This is the great andfirst commandment. 39, And a second like unto it is this, (2) Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40, On these two commandments the whole law hangs, and the prophets.
Romans 13:8-10
8, Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loves his neighbor hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfillment of the law. (this is the 2nd great commandment of love to our neighbor)
James 2:8-12
8, Howbeit if ye fulfill the royal law, according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, but if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou dost not commit adultery, but killest, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of liberty.
If you are knowingly and willfully breaking any of God's commandments you do not have God's love in you. This includes your duty of love to God in the first great commandment. If you break the 4th commandment you are not fulfilling your duty of your love to God. God is calling us to repent and believe the Gospel for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand....
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a possible interpretation. One thing that may be interesting is that Paul says what the "word" or "logos" is. That is, he lists a commandment.
"logos" can be a single word, or, often, a saying, statement, command.
Greek Concordance: λόγῳ (logō) -- 45 Occurrences
The KJV translates the same word, in the same form, here as "saying" Luke 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
and
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed.
"logos" can be a single word, or, often, a saying, statement, command.
Greek Concordance: λόγῳ (logō) -- 45 Occurrences
The KJV translates the same word, in the same form, here as "saying" Luke 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
and
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed.
more references, for whoever is interested
λόγος, λόγου, ὁ (λέγω) (from Homer down), the Sept. especially for דָּבָר, also for אֹמֶר and מִלָּה; properly, a collecting, collection (see λέγω) — and that, as well of those things which are put together in thought, as of those which, having been thought i. e. gathered together in the mind, are expressed in words. Accordingly, a twofold use of the term is to be distinguished: one which relates to speaking, and one which relates to thinking.
Strong's Greek: 3056. λόγος (logos) -- a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech
For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gal+5&version=nlt
λόγος, λόγου, ὁ (λέγω) (from Homer down), the Sept. especially for דָּבָר, also for אֹמֶר and מִלָּה; properly, a collecting, collection (see λέγω) — and that, as well of those things which are put together in thought, as of those which, having been thought i. e. gathered together in the mind, are expressed in words. Accordingly, a twofold use of the term is to be distinguished: one which relates to speaking, and one which relates to thinking.
Strong's Greek: 3056. λόγος (logos) -- a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech
For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gal+5&version=nlt