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As I said, his body. His body was dead while he was in the paradise. (Lk 23:43)
So Jesus NEVER died- as he told his followers.
Just sad that you refuse to accept what the scriptures say...
 

trofimus

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So Jesus NEVER died- as he told his followers.
Just sad that you refuse to accept what the scriptures say...
First you must learn what death means. It does not mean that your existence will cease. Thats what atheists believe.
 

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So your 'GodJesus' died- but not really?
Jesus died in the flesh, and rose again on the third day, In order to fulfil what had been written regarding Him. So that He could save sinners.

You need to put your trust in Him - Jesus the Godman.

Have a wee read of Hebrews 2:5-18.

[h=3]Jesus made fully human[/h][FONT=&quot]5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But there is a place where someone has testified:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]‘What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
7 You made them a little[a] lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honour
8 and put everything under their feet.’[b][c][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]In putting everything under them,[d] God left nothing that is not subject to them.[e] Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.[f]9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honour because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered. 11 Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.[g] 12 He says,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]‘I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters;
in the assembly I will sing your praises.’[h][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]13 And again,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]‘I will put my trust in him.’[i][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]And again he says,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]‘Here am I, and the children God has given me.’[j][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death – that is, the devil – [/FONT][FONT=&quot]15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.[/FONT]
 
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First you must learn what death means. It does not mean that your existence will cease. Thats what atheists believe.
I know- death means the Musical Chair Game of the 'Immortal Soul'.
Used to be fooled by that; the spirit set me free.
 
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You said that Jesus is God to this world. So to you too. Or are you so inconsistent?
Misquote.

"[FONT=&quot] The God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not." - 2 Cor 4[/FONT]
 
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Originally Posted by theQuestiion

I know- death means the Musical Chair Game of the 'Immortal Soul'.
Used to be fooled by that; the spirit set me free.


Response without any sense, again.


To die- means the 'immortal soul' floats out of the body.
Resurrection- means the 'immortal soul' floats back into the body.

Musical Chairs


 
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But, it gets even BETTER~


Exodus 7:1 -And Jehovah said to Moses, "See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."-Darby


So Moses "WAS God" to Aaron and to Pharoah. Just as Jesus "Was God" (John 1:1)
(Moses only to Egypt- Jesus to the world)


Notice how God even COMPARES Jesus role to Moses'~


Heb 3:1- Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.
[Not "God"- but a mediator TO Him]
2- He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house.

Notice how Jesus is an apostle and a priest?
Do you REALLY believe God to be an apostle and priest?
God made Moses as God to Pharaoh because Moses was going in the place of God to represent Him,and announcing the ten plagues of God in which God performed the plagues,which He made Moses out to be a man of power to Pharaoh.

But Moses is not God.

Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek as a High Priest,which Melchizedek was a visible manifestation of God in the Old Testament,who was without decent,without mother,or father,having neither beginning of days,or end of life.

Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

There is no God beside Him,and no God formed before Him,and no God formed after Him,and He is the only Savior.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
Isa 35:5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
Isa 35:6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Isa 59:12 For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;
Isa 59:13 In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
Isa 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
Isa 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
Isa 59:16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
Isa 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
Isa 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

There is one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.The man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can reconcile mankind back to God.No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh,and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony.

Jesus is God and man,for He is God manifest in flesh,and God is the only Savior who saved us by the man Christ Jesus,God's own personal human body,which He laid down His own life(1 John 3:16),and purchased the Church with His own blood(Acts 20:28).

Since Jesus is God and man He could speak from either position while He was on earth.

When He prayed to God it was his humanity that prayed,and when He said to Mary,My God,and your God,and My Father,and your Father,it was His humanity,and when He cried out on the cross My God,My God,why have you forsaken Me,it was His humanity.

When He accepted being called Lord and Master,and claimed to be Lord and Master,it was His deity,and when He said,before Abraham was,I am,it was His deity.

It throws some people off how Jesus can be God if He is in a visible manifestation for God is so much greater than that,which the heaven,and the heaven of heavens,cannot contain God.

When the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh,it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily(Colossians 2:8-10),and He has the Spirit without measure(John 3:34),and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell(Colossians 1:19),and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God cannot be separated.

Jesus does not have a piece of the Spirit that moves around with Him,for there cannot be an empty space of the Spirit,and a double portion of the Spirit in another place,but Jesus moves through the Spirit,and where ever He is at the Spirit is there.

The Spirit does not have to move for the Spirit is already there,and Jesus moves through the Spirit.

If Jesus had a piece of the Spirit that moved around with Him then He could not be God,but since He moves through the Spirit then He is an omnipresent Spirit that is showing a visible image of Himself,for the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

The man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,and His visible relationship to the saints for eternity,for there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,and it is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Contrary to what a lot of people believe Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven,and He told Philip if you have seen Me,you have seen the Father,and He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

There is only one visible manifestation of God to the saints,and that is Jesus.

There is one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus said all power is given unto Me in heaven,and earth.

David said,the LORD said unto my Lord,sit at My right hand until your enemies become your footstool.

The Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered,and then the Son shall submit to the Father who put all things under Him,that God may be all in all.

God's right hand represents power,wisdom,and salvation.

Jesus at the right hand is a temporary role until His enemies are conquered.

Since the man Christ Jesus is the Savior,God exalted Him to exercise the throne of power,be at His right hand,until His enemies are conquered,and then the Son shall submit to the Father,stop exercising the throne of power,that God may be all in all.

God is ruling through His own humanity for the sake of the saints,for the man Christ Jesus must rule because He is the Savior,but of course it is God who saved us by His own humanity.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is God,who dwells in the light that no person can approach unto,and no person has seen Jesus,and no person will ever see Jesus,for He is an invisible Spirit who showed a visible manifestation of Himself to save humanity,and to have a visible relationship with His people for eternity.
 

trofimus

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Misquote.

"[FONT="] The God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not." - 2 Cor 4[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Yo do not even remember what you believe in.

[QUOTE="theQuestiion, post: 3308739"]
Exodus 7:1 -And Jehovah said to Moses, "See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."-Darby


So Moses "WAS God" to Aaron and to Pharoah. Just as Jesus "Was God" (John 1:1)
(Moses only to Egypt- Jesus to the world)


Jesus is your God because you are living in this world. Period.
 
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Sigh.
They CAN'T take focusing on the scriptures.
They deny them as fats as I post them.

GOD referred to Moses as "God", not us.
Just as he did with Jesus.

Stay by your Triune Polytheism in pretense, if you choose.
You will not be able to claim ignorance when standing before Christ.
 
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Indoctrinate yourself in cherry picked watchtower verses,stir in massive conjecture....

POOOOOFFF!!!

Out pops error
 

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The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander!


The 'Holy' Trinity, the Triune 'Godhead', God-the-Father, God-the-Son, God-the- Holy Ghost, a 'Three-in-One' God!
For TWO THOUSAND YEARS this flimsily disguised Polytheism has been taught and programmed into our minds by CHURCHianity
Is it TRUE?
No. But they twist and mis-translate enough scriptures to fool the masses.
Originally, the Roman Universal ('Catholic') church tortured and killed those refusing to accept this Fabricated Trio.


However, the matter really CAN be easily cleared up WITH NO DOUBT by simply taking a closer look at the Bible, while setting Church Dogma aside!
If you WANT truth- pray for Understanding as you read these inspired words of our maker!
All scriptures giving insight as to who God and Christ are, and what the holy spirit is- from the very START of
the Bible (Genesis)- in ORDER- to the very END of it (Revelation).


We first start with the very first reference to the holy spirit:


Gen 1:2- And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.


Nothing to indicate a Ghost-God..."spirit' is the translation of the Hebrew word for "breath, wind"- an unseen force.
Somewhere in Genesis it says "Let us make man in our own image and likeness". The word 'Let's' indicates that God is more than one being and is fact the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. You seem to be the one that is slandering God.
 

trofimus

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Sigh.
They CAN'T take focusing on the scriptures.
They deny them as fats as I post them.

GOD referred to Moses as "God", not us.
Just as he did with Jesus.

Stay by your Triune Polytheism in pretense, if you choose.
You will not be able to claim ignorance when standing before Christ.
Sigh, your inconsistency was proven as a nonsense too quickly. Sigh.

If Jesus is God to this world, He is your God. Period.

Now you can leave and teach somewhere else that Jesus is not God, somewhere where you are not scored off yet.