Yeah, the problem is: What is error? One man's doctrine is an man's heresy.
When they lay the groundwork that others build upon to make one doubt they have the Holy Spirit at all and doubt if they are truly saved when they do not know that they have the Holy Spirit in them, thus out of fear or desire, they seek to receive the Holy Spirit after a sign of tongues......I would call that causing division by that tongue and an error to push it to be used privately when that kind of tongues has been gained by the apostasy of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.
I understand what you mean but when any promotion can be used to cause one to doubt and then to err, overthrowing their faith in Jesus Christ, then it is not a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but reminding everyone when and how we were saved; and it sure wasn't by the sign of tongues or any other sensational sign for "believers" to seek when tongues were supposed to serve as a sign to ONLY unbelievers.
So that whole issue of tongues to be used privately to promote getting it by the way the majority of tongue speakers get it which is by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.....then by the grace of God and His help, I shall point it out as heresy to stop that promotion to remind them of our faith in Jesus Christ of what has been plainly written as taught of us to hold fast to rather than allow wayward believers use events in Acts when they are not reading it right nor dividing the word rightly at the expense of warnings about other spirits and assurances given in the epistles as to when we were saved.
Assuming the person in disagreement can point to *some* scripture that could reasonably be interpreted to support their argument, I think the best way to proceed is:
If everyone did the courtesy to the other faction of saying " I think <this> is true because of <abc>" rather than the more dogmatic "<this> is true, because of <abc> so you are wrong!> then the forum would be so much more pleasant!
(I'm quoting a guy from another thread here; See post #2 in this thread.)
Problem is;
2 Peter 1:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:[SUP]
20 [/SUP]
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
And how we apply the scripture, it cannot go against what other scripture is saying;
James 3:14But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without partiality, and
without hypocrisy.
Some of those tongue speakers will claim that they have the Holy Spirit in them but they can receive Him again which is the epitome of hypocrisy. Can we receive Jesus Christ again? No. Then how can the Holy Spirit fulfill the role as our Comforter if He has to be received again and again and again, not just by a sign of tongues that never comes with interpretation which is confusion at its worst, but other signs of confusion as well in receiving Him, and yet His tongues was never to serve as a sign to believers for anything TO the believers; not as proof that they are saved, nor proof that they have the Holy Spirit, and certainly not as proof that God is calling them into the ministry, but serve as a sign or proof TO unbelievers.
It is when any one preaches something that deny Him to move saved believers away from the faith in Jesus Christ and their rest in Him as if they are not complete in Him yet, and thus maybe not saved as the devil would add that doubt easily to it.
Yeah. But I'm pretty sure nearly all of us have lost our cool at one time or another in an Interwebs debate. But there are some people who do this on a daily basis (—if not in every thread!) It's this type of behavior that discourages discussion. I know I have bible questions that I'd love to discuss. And I'm sure I would learn from the discussion. But I'm reluctant to ask them on CC because of the flack I would draw. It's really a shame it has to be that way. :/
/jmho
I understand that those who refuse corrections are subverted and are not really open to the discussion, as He is helping me to recognize this to stop replying to them but just reply to their posts so that babes in Christ knows that there is a rebuttal.
However, asking questions because someone does not know the answer, there should not be any flack.
If they ask questions, but giving a presentation as that is the answer, then naturally, there would be some flack. If they present it that they think it is the answer but leaving it open for correction by scripture or confirmation, then there should be no flack.
But I think when there are flack when there should not be any, it may be that the poster just got away from another thread where they may be carrying that prejudice over to start dishing it out as if the poster was not asking a question in seeking an answer.
I think I did that a couple of times by the wordings they had use which has been associated with apostasy, but of course, in those few times, it was not a question but a sharing of belief to others. The thing was, what was said was not what they had actually meant. Indeed, it did not represent their faith at all when they talk like that, but they were not referring to a false teaching or a false practice that I had thought they were. So I was wrong to assume they were from that camp, but yet they were wrong for talking like they were from that camp. After clarification was given and the necessity to post what they really mean because of all those false teachings out there, I confess my shortcoming in jumping the gun in that regard.
1 Timothy 5:21I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another,
doing nothing by partiality.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Ephesians 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:[SUP]1
4 [/SUP]
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
1 John 2:[SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and
that no lie is of the truth.
So there is necessity to say this is true for then how can any one correct any one, but there should be liberty for discussion when someone says "I think this is true" and why, but be open for correction.
Like my thread asking what an apostle is. There are some answers given but not confirmed by scripture, like limiting the office of the apostleship to just the 12 when scripture paints Paul as an apostle whom was not of the 12.
I do not know for sure what an apostle is, but maybe by knowing what a false apostle is.....we can know the opposite to determine what an apostle is? I dunno... heading over there to try it out to see, but I think the only answer to those questions will have to be coming from that throne of grace if not found plainly in the scripture.
Thanks for sharing, but I do point out that even you will speak for the truth in Jesus Christ & show no partiality in Him. Asking question is supposed to be okay when in search of the answer in that discussion; but even a few of the questions asked here in this forum is done to create a debate by the OP, rather than the OP looking for an answer. Some asks questions for a topic sake in the title with the intention of providing the answers to those whom were wondering about it.
2 Timothy 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.[SUP]14 [/SUP]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
It should all be done in Christ's love, but those who love to debate, may need our prayers as it is a work of the flesh and a snare.
2 Corinthians 12:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved,
for your edifying.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be
debates, envyings,
wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings,
swellings, tumults:
I would like to think of what I share with those that are astray as I see them as the least of the brethren or as the little ones...
Matthew 18:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[SUP] 13 [/SUP]And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. [SUP]15[/SUP]
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Matthew 10:42
And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
All of us need to apply our faith in Jesus Christ in being our Good Shepherd to help us serve Him in seeking the good of the body of Christ in love... because...
Matthew 25:[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.