Which of Jesus' teachings were applicable only to the Jews?

Grandpa · Oct 27, 2017

The Lord Jesus has fulfilled every jot and every tittle of the law. He has fulfilled everything required for our Salvation. As evidenced by His final words "It is Finished".

But has the law fulfilled its entire purpose? No. The Law is still the schoolmaster that brings people to Christ. And not everyone who is going to come to Christ by this way has been brought.

Matthew 5:17 [FONT=&quot]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Which He did. He didn't say He wasn't going to fulfill it this time but some later, next time He comes back.

He said He has come to fulfill the law and the prophets. And He did, Amen.

Matthew 5:18 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Now here the Lord doesn't make any statements about Himself fulfilling everything. He makes the general statement that nothing will pass from the law until ALL IS FULFILLED.

This means that the law will still be the mechanism by which people are brought to Christ until the last person is brought.

This statement doesn't have any bearing on the previous statement of the Lord saying He would fulfill the Law and the prophets. Which He did.

If the Lord did not fulfill the law then there are still parts of the law that we are still liable for.

Galatians 3:23-25
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

If there are still parts of the law that we are liable for, even after coming to Christ, then this is a false statement. We will always be under the schoolmaster no matter what.

Good thing for us the Lord Jesus Christ wasn't just kidding when He said He came to fulfill the Law.

Good thing for us that Paul wasn't joking when He said that the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, and after we have come to Christ we are no longer under that schoolmaster.

That's Christianity. We are no longer under the law, the 10 commandments, when we come to Christ. Thats why the Jews wanted Christ dead. That's the reason behind this statement;

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

What they would call heresy would be telling people that we are no longer under the law.

Being able to say this but still believing all in the law and prophets means that you believe that they were descriptions of what the Lord Jesus came to fulfill.

I don't think this is difficult. I think it is made difficult by people who still desire to be under the law and try to live as Jews. Or what they think would be even more righteous than a pharisee.

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Hizikyah · Oct 27, 2017

2 Kings 17:19, “Yehuḏah, also, did not guard the commands of יהוה their Strength, but walked in the laws of Yisra’yl which they made.”

Judges 21:25, “In those days there was no sovereign in Yisra’yl – everyone did what was right in his own eyes.”

Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

*Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore YHWH said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."

Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]For the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to YHWH's instruction and not their Talmud/man made law, called the “ORAL LAW”, and this is shown in the Scriptures: MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem. [/FONT]

The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, Haunnaka and Rosh Hashanna and more. when they left Babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and Rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year from the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month to the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] month, this is clearly a “commandments and ordinances of men”. The calendar YHWH created is YHWH's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth, thus it is calculated by the heavens, the moon in this case. Our current calendar is the Gregorian calendar, which is an updated version of the Babylonian calendar. YHWH said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis/Pharisees/Etc." Since the Pharisees/"Rabbis" made up their own, times/ways to keep their own made up "feast days", if you did not submit to the Pharisees they would seek to have you brought to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring their non-Scriptural days based in man’s tradition. The Talmud tells a story of Zacharyah, father of John the baptist, and OT prophet, disagreeing and wanting to follow YHWH Feast Days according to the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees told him, on threat of death, to appear in public on a Scriptural Feast Day in a way that the man can not honor YHWH as prescribed in the Scriptures, thus commanding him to disobey YHWH. They killed him for seeking to honor YHWH, His way and not their man made religious tradition. Yahshua spoke of this, but many have no clue of the history behind it;

Mat 23:35, "so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the altar."

2Chron 24:20-21, "Then the Spirit of the Most High came upon Zeḵaryah son of Yehoyaḏa the priest, who stood above the people, and said to them, “Thus said the Most High, ‘Why are you transgressing the commands of יהוה, and do not prosper? Because you have forsaken יהוה, He has forsaken you. And they conspired against him, and at the command of the sovereign they stoned him with stones in the courtyard of the House of יהוה."

Endoscopy · Oct 27, 2017

Marcelo said:

The Red Letter Fallacy or Why Jesus' Words Can't Be Privileged Over Paul's

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Reading Mike Wittmer on Brian McLaren made me realize something tonight, there is really no reason for anyone to privilege the words of Jesus (often printed in red in Bibles) over those of Paul or anyone else. Here’s the relevant bit from Wittmer:

“Brian [McLaren] has embraced the red letter Bible, where Jesus’ words and actions count more than what Paul or Peter wrote. He said that one evangelical’s ‘transparent willingness to grant Jesus no more authority than Paul renders me speechless.’ I am not necessarily trying to shush Brian, but I will second what the evangelical said: Paul’s epistles have the same authority as the words of Jesus, for both are the Word of God.”

My initial thought was that this is something that would matter if one held to inerrancy. If, like me, you don’t hold to inerrancy, then there’s not a guarantee that Paul is truly writing the word of God in every instance. That cuts both ways though, if Paul can err, so can the authors of the four gospels. Moreover, in one case at least (Luke), it’s admitted up front that the account presented is entirely secondhand. Additionally, all of them were likely written after Paul’s earliest epistles.

Jesus never wrote anything by his own hand. If there can be errors in Paul, there can be errors in the accounts of Jesus’ words recorded in the gospels. Either both are the word of God without error or they aren’t. There is no reason to privilege one above the other when discerning what the Bible says.

Maybe McLaren has some other reason for putting the words of Jesus above Paul, but if it is this, then he’s not got a really solid footing either way.

http://www.cityofgodblog.com/2010/02/the-red-letter-fallacy-or-why-jesus-words-cant-be-privileged-over-pauls/#sthash.ilvXhi78.dpbs

Either the Bible IS the Word of God or it is just another silly book. Since archaeology proves the miraculous stories of what happened to many cities that points to the fact it is devinely inspired.

Grandpa · Oct 28, 2017

All who attempt to follow a carnal commandment, try to follow the law in their own understanding and strength, commit the same error as the pharisees before them.

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

This can't be true if we are still required to work at the law. There would be no such thing as rest. Maybe a small break.

John 15:5 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Even working at the law in our strength and understanding?

Acts 15:5-10
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

This was all settled a long time ago. You either don't understand Christianity or don't want to.

Galatians 5:1-5
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1[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Acts 7:49-51
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[FONT=&quot]49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]50 Hath not my hand made all these things?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

carnal command huh?

Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."

1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Same as the pharisees? Harsh statement, and also wrong, they rejected His ways;

Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

Grandpa said:

Maybe you have misuderstood what a burden is? DO not kill, do not steal, honor you father and mother are not burdens, well to the wicked they probably are, but not to those who loveYah

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

1 John 5:2-3 (ESV), "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

Grandpa said:

Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the nations who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”

So these are the ONLY applicable Commands given to followers? Or were these basic guidelines for new converts would would learn the ways of YHWH week by week?

this was a basic set of requirements to enter a place of worship, as once they entered they would learn the ways of YHWH because as verses 21 states; “Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath.”

and what about that one about verse 29 not eating food with blood in it, is that aplicable or is that also ignoed?

Grandpa said:

Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”

Grandpa said:

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Grandpa said:

Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”

Galatians 5:5-6, “For we, in Spirit, by belief, eagerly wait for the expectation of righteousness. For in Messiah יהושע neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any strength, but belief working through love."

1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

I want to point out that the words that are in italics* are ADDED, thus changing the meaning of the passage:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity,*that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "

Not only does the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words italicsthe meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice; having killed the enmity through Himself."

Strong's Concordance, “enmity” is word #G2189 echthra: enmity, hostility, Original Word: ἔχθρα, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: echthra, Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-thrah), Short Definition: enmity, hostility, Definition: enmity, hostility, alienation.

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

If we translate “enmity” as a reason for opposition as shown in the definition above, as enmity is not a commonly used or understood word in modern times and culture we get;

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the reason for opposition Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice, having killed the enmity through Himself."

(note verse 16 says what was actually abolished)

Also it is worth noting, how could the Messiah have abolished the Law when He Himself said;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Also if the Law is to be written on the heart of the believer, how could they have enmity/reason for oppisition to it?

Jeremiah 31:33, "After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in opposition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished in the hearts of those that follow Yahshua.

It does not say He killed the Law, it says He killed the enmity

Strong's Concordance, “enmity” is word #G2189 echthra: enmity, hostility, Original Word: ἔχθρα, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: echthra, Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-thrah), Short Definition: enmity, hostility, Definition: enmity, hostility, alienation.

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

Ephesians 2:16

New International Version
and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

English Standard Version
and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

Berean Study Bible
and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.

Grandpa · Oct 28, 2017

Matthew 5:48 [FONT=&quot]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If you read all of Matthew 5 you find that this is a pretty tall order.

In fact, Christ is the only one who could ever do it. Have you ever tried? Have you ever tried to be absolutely perfect before the Lord? Unspotted and unblemished?

Matthew 11:28 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

For all those who do try the Lord gives His Solution. Come to Him and He will give you rest.

Acts 15:10 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

They weren't able to be perfect before God by their work at the law, either.

Galatians 5:1 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Trying to be sinless by your work at the law is not a burden? Its not a yoke that none of us could bear?

When we come to Christ and He sets us free from the curse of the law it is no more burden. Not because we are given the super gift of law-keeping but because we no longer work at the law. Instead, we trust in Him to transform us as we can't do ourselves.

John 15:5 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Galatians 5:22-23
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Galatians 3:2-3
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[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif] [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."[/FONT]
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Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

Grandpa · Oct 28, 2017

Hizikyah said:

2 Corinthians 3:14-17
[FONT=&quot]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Must be a different law. Why would there be a vail over their heart when moses is read even though God put His Law in their heart?

Why do those who follow the law not come to Christ?[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

Grandpa said:

Because the Levites entered through the physical veil, which split when Yahshua was Sacrificed. they continused to try to run the levitical priesthood unti lthe destruction of the temple. Study to show yourself approved.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 27:50-51, “And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]cried out again with a loud voice, and gave up His spirit. And see, the veil of the Dwelling Place was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth was shaken, and the rocks were split.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 9:1-28, "9:1, "Now the first covenant indeed had regulations of worship and the earthly set-apart place."9:2, "For a Tent was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, and the table, and the showbread, which is called the Set-apart Place."9:3, "And after the second veil, the part of the Tent which is called Most Set-apart,"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 9:11, "But Messiah, having become a High Priest of the coming good matters, through the greater and more perfect Tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation,"9:12, "entered into the Most Set-apart Place once for all, not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood, having obtained everlasting redemption."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 9:24, "For Messiah has not entered into a Set-apart Place made by hand – figures of the true – but into the heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of Elohim on our behalf,"9:25, "not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters into the Set-apart Place year by year with blood not his own."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:19, "So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[FONT=Times New Roman, serif],"10:20, "by a new and living way which He instituted for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,"[/FONT][/FONT]

Grandpa · Oct 28, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Because the Levites entered through the physical veil, which split when Yahshua was Sacrificed. they continused to try to run the levitical priesthood unti lthe destruction of the temple. Study to show yourself approved.

Matthew 27:50-51, “And יהושע cried out again with a loud voice, and gave up His spirit. And see, the veil of the Dwelling Place was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth was shaken, and the rocks were split.”

Hebrews 9:1-28, "9:1, "Now the first covenant indeed had regulations of worship and the earthly set-apart place."9:2, "For a Tent was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, and the table, and the showbread, which is called the Set-apart Place."9:3, "And after the second veil, the part of the Tent which is called Most Set-apart,"

Hebrews 9:11, "But Messiah, having become a High Priest of the coming good matters, through the greater and more perfect Tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation,"9:12, "entered into the Most Set-apart Place once for all, not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood, having obtained everlasting redemption."

Hebrews 9:24, "For Messiah has not entered into a Set-apart Place made by hand – figures of the true – but into the heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of Elohim on our behalf,"9:25, "not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters into the Set-apart Place year by year with blood not his own."

Hebrews 10:19, "So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע,"10:20, "by a new and living way which He instituted for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,"

There is a vail over their hearts and minds when moses is read because of the levites???

Is this before or after God puts His Laws in their hearts?

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

Grandpa said:

the veil was over their hearts because they did not accept Yahshua, but sought to kill Him and "continued" the Levitical priesthood and it's service.

Grandpa · Oct 29, 2017

Hizikyah said:

2 Corinthians 3:7-8
[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Ministration of Death written on stone. The 10 commandments.
In Opposition to that is the Ministration of the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:14-15
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[FONT=&quot]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

The vail is still over their hearts and minds when the OT is read.

This vail is not taken away by abandoning the Levitical priesthood. This vail is taken away when a person comes to Christ.

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Vailed mind and heart. Following the Ministration of Death written on stone.

Galatians 3:24-25
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[FONT=&quot]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

No more vail. Following the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Following the ministration of the spirit. Following the Lord Jesus Christ and not (our) own will, understanding and strength. For without Christ we can do nothing.[/FONT]
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Hizikyah · Oct 29, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7 -[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 14:9, "For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 20:38, "Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:5-8, “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of Yah, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it shall be given to him. But he should ask in belief, not doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For that man should not think that he shall receive whatever from the Master, 8, he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin.."[/FONT]

Grandpa said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"

James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing of the Law.”

James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”

phil36 · Oct 29, 2017

Grandpa said:

This was all settled a long time ago. You either don't understand Christianity or don't want to.

Galatians 5:1-5

1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Acts 7:49-51

49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Well stated Grandpa. This gets to the heart of the issue. The Gospel itself.

Hizikyah · Oct 29, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:7, “And as you go, proclaim, saying, ‘The reign of the heavens has drawn near.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 4:17, "From that time [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 12:50, “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:27, John 6:27, “Do not labor for the food that is perishing, but for the food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam shall give you, for the Father, Yah, has set His seal on Him.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."[/FONT]

Grandpa · Oct 29, 2017

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

A lot of legalists say Christ gave us rest from sinning.

But sin is not labour. Sin is easy.

What is labour and a heavy burden is being perfect before God. Without sin.

Paul tells us the same thing as the Lord Jesus does, but in different ways;

Romans 8:2 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians 3:24-25
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.[/FONT]

Johnny4ChristJesus · Oct 29, 2017

Don't be fooled by theology that says that Jesus teachings aren't for us. That isn't true. Jesus teachings are just as applicable for us as they were for them. The Jews thought they could earn heaven. Jesus was saying you can't. Even when His alarmed disciples asked Him "who then can be saved?" Jesus said: "With man, this is impossible. But with God, all things are possible." (Matt 19:25-6, Luke 18:26-7) The pharisees were "near perfect" by the Law. Jesus was saying "no one will enter the kingdom" unless their righteousness was greater. That means NO ONE, without greater righteousness. But, JESUS IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS and that is greater. He is righteousness for the Jews that chose to follow Him (like Peter, Paul, John, Stephen, Philip, etc) and for the Gentiles who would follow Him. That's why Paul told Peter he was playing the hypocrite when he separated himself. Jesus is the only way to the Father. He is our righteousness. It apply to all of us. The same is true of the rich young ruler. He wanted to hear Jesus say he was "in"; but He had Jesus standing in front of Him and if He really believed, He would have done what Jesus told him to do (Matt 7:21-27). It would have been worth it. But, money was his real god (idolatry). He couldn't part with it. The same is true for us today. If money is your god, The God and Father of Jesus Christ isn't. God wants those who will worship Him in spirit and truth (John 4:23-4). He looks at the heart (1 Sam 16:7). We love to quote Romans 8:28, but what about Romans 8:13 or Gal 6:7-8 or Gal 5:16-21, for examples? Too many today treat Jesus as an add-on to their life. As a result, they may hear Jesus say: "I never knew you..." (Matt 25:12, Matt 7:23) Consider Matt 7:22, who would have been doing that before the Holy Spirit was given?

Endoscopy · Oct 30, 2017

Johnny4ChristJesus said:

Don't be fooled by theology that says that Jesus teachings aren't for us. That isn't true. Jesus teachings are just as applicable for us as they were for them. The Jews thought they could earn heaven. Jesus was saying you can't. Even when His alarmed disciples asked Him "who then can be saved?" Jesus said: "With man, this is impossible. But with God, all things are possible." (Matt 19:25-6, Luke 18:26-7) The pharisees were "near perfect" by the Law. Jesus was saying "no one will enter the kingdom" unless their righteousness was greater. That means NO ONE, without greater righteousness. But, JESUS IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS and that is greater. He is righteousness for the Jews that chose to follow Him (like Peter, Paul, John, Stephen, Philip, etc) and for the Gentiles who would follow Him. That's why Paul told Peter he was playing the hypocrite when he separated himself. Jesus is the only way to the Father. He is our righteousness. It apply to all of us. The same is true of the rich young ruler. He wanted to hear Jesus say he was "in"; but He had Jesus standing in front of Him and if He really believed, He would have done what Jesus told him to do (Matt 7:21-27). It would have been worth it. But, money was his real god (idolatry). He couldn't part with it. The same is true for us today. If money is your god, The God and Father of Jesus Christ isn't. God wants those who will worship Him in spirit and truth (John 4:23-4). He looks at the heart (1 Sam 16:7). We love to quote Romans 8:28, but what about Romans 8:13 or Gal 6:7-8 or Gal 5:16-21, for examples? Too many today treat Jesus as an add-on to their life. As a result, they may hear Jesus say: "I never knew you..." (Matt 25:12, Matt 7:23) Consider Matt 7:22, who would have been doing that before the Holy Spirit was given?

I totally agree with you. For a Christian site there are some non Biblical comments and threads like this one on here. The Bible plainly states that it is God's word for all.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Oct 30, 2017

Endoscopy said:

Sadly,we can't really classify anyone "non-Christian" anymore. Once protestant reform happened, we started with 3 splits and now I've heard there are over 30,000. Who gets to decide? There are so many who call themselves apostles or get others to call them apostles. And, all think they are "rightly dividing" the Scriptures. Very very sad.

There are so many (usually of the baptist persuasion)--who don't believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit and therefore aren't qualified to be "heresy hunters," yet post messages against almost everyone who actively walks in the gifts. Those that do walk in the gifts just ignore the "heresy hunters" and some come to a bad place where they think they are above accountability and that makes the environment worse for those who are constrained by Scripture and accountability.

There are so many weird variants now that there is no longer a central body to decide (like Acts 15) or even what happened in Act 11 with Peter explaining himself to the brethren.

I recently had an encounter with what I call the "gospel of Paul church." They claim that only what Paul says is for the Gentiles. That is absolutely FALSE, but they pull Scriptures from Paul's writings to claim it and make it believable enough to deceive many. You have seen that deception acknowledged on this thread, as if it were true. But, it is not. Who gets to decide? Jesus Christ!

So, Jesus said that His Words will judge when He returns. I wouldn't want to be one of the ones who decided His Words weren't for them. Luke 9:26: "Whoever is ashamed of Me and My Words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when He comes...." Matt 10:33: Whosoever denies Me before men, ...." And, they might just hear: "I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." (Matt 7:23)

Have a blessed day and stay on the narrow path!

Which of Jesus' teachings were applicable only to the Jews?

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