Sabbath

[phil36]

It's not a wonder to me that you have not understood the law of God, because you my dear have never agreed with it. The cup of the new covenant made through the Messiah Yahshua was done on Passover. To this day it is kept by faithful children of Elohim. What I fear for the people of the church is they are becoming drunk on the cup of wrath for judgment on the day of the Lord, (not to be confused with the Lords day the Sabbath as He is Lord of the Sabbath day).

Hi JohnTalmid,

I understand God's law very well Isn't it Ironic that Christ is the passover, and that the passover under the Mosaic Covenant was only a dim shadow of the glorious passover lamb that Jesus is.

The old has passed away, including the old shadows of observing the passover, now we celebrate, worship and observe the true passover lamb, the offering and the offerer, The lamb and priest - Jesus. And we do that on the day He rose from the dead fulfilling what the types.pictures and shadows of the Mosaic covenant could only point to. That day is the Lords day.

There is no need to go back under the shadows and types... a far greater has appeared in glorious light.. Jesus.. Not law.

Our Sabbath is now in Christ, our rest although already not yet..So we meet on the Lords day in worship in anticipation of the consummation and the eternal rest (Sabbath).

The church - the people of and in Jesus-- meet every Lords day. Dear John don't put yourself back under the law..you just might be judged under it!!!!

 

[trofimus]

So I guess that is a no, you cannot find any scripture that says that the 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. You are correct because there is no scripture. If you cannot find the scriptures who should we believe God or man? Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God or the Word of God? Sunday worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following him (Matthew 15:3-9)

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word....

Every worship of something other than God is a tradition of men. Both saturday and sunday.

 

[Hizikyah]

Every worship of something other than God is a tradition of men. Both saturday and sunday.

that is ridiculous…


If one seeks to follows do not steal are the worshiping do not steal?


Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."


1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him."


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

 

[trofimus]

that is ridiculous…


If one seeks to follows do not steal are the worshiping do not steal?


Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."


1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him."


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Never worship anything other than God, Its idolatry.

Regarding what commandments we should keep after Christ - the ones given us in the New covenant. We are not living in 500 BC.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Every worship of something other than God is a tradition of men. Both saturday and sunday.

Actually no the 7th day Sabbath is a commandment of God (Exodus 20:8-11). Sunday worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following him (Matthew 15:3-9)

God's followers are called to worship him in Spirit and in truth and according to His Word are we to follow him who loves all.......

Who should we believe God or man? The teachings of men that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?

God's sheep hear his voice....

 

[Hizikyah]

Never worship anything other than God, Its idolatry.

Regarding what commandments we should keep after Christ - the ones given us in the New covenant. We are not living in 500 BC.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”
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[comingfrom]

193 pages. 10 posts per page.
That's 1930 bullocks offered up so far, in just this thread about the sabbath.
(OK, so maybe some of the offering were goats. Just kidding.)

Anyhow, just thought I would mention that.
Because there were some who were complaining about having to offer up 2 lambs,
in their mighty bullocks that they offered up.

Bless Jesus
Bring Him a suckling ram
Do it like He says
Paul

And as for you, O My flock,
thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle,
between the rams and the he goats.
Ezekiel 34:17​

 

[comingfrom]

Dear Phil,

I do like your posts.
They afford so many opportunities to teach commandments.

Hi JohnTalmid,

I understand God's law very well Isn't it Ironic

Here's the irony.

And I will break the pride of your power;
and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
Levitus 26:19

that Christ is the passover, and that the passover under the Mosaic Covenant was only a dim shadow of the glorious passover lamb that Jesus is.

And thus shall ye eat it;
with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand;
and ye shall eat it in haste:
it is the LORD's passover.
Exodus 12:11

The old has passed away, including the old shadows of observing the passover, now we celebrate, worship and observe the true passover lamb, the offering and the offerer, The lamb and priest - Jesus. And we do that on the day He rose from the dead fulfilling what the types.pictures and shadows of the Mosaic covenant could only point to. That day is the Lords day.

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath,
to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exodus 31:16

There is no need to go back under the shadows and types... a far greater has appeared in glorious light.. Jesus.. Not law.

The commandment is a lamp; and the law is light;
and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
Proverbs 6:23

To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isaiah 8:20

Our Sabbath is now in Christ, our rest although already not yet..So we meet on the Lords day in worship in anticipation of the consummation and the eternal rest (Sabbath).

It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you,
and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
Leviticus 16:31

The church - the people of and in Jesus-- meet every Lords day. Dear John don't put yourself back under the law..you just might be judged under it!!!!

Ye shall therefore keep My statutes, and My judgments:
which if a man do, he shall live in them:
I am the LORD.
Levitus 18:5

Only if we kept it as it says to, will it judge us favourably.
Those that claim to know the law, and don't keep it, are who will get condemned it the most.

Bless LORD Jesus by keeping all His commandments
Paul

Wherefore ye shall do My statutes, and keep My judgments, and do them;
and ye shall dwell in the land in safety.
Leviticus 25:18​

 

[trofimus]

Actually no the 7th day Sabbath is a commandment of God (Exodus 20:8-11). Sunday worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following him (Matthew 15:3-9)

God's followers are called to worship him in Spirit and in truth and according to His Word are we to follow him who loves all.......

Who should we believe God or man? The teachings of men that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?

God's sheep hear his voice....

Exodus is in the Old testament.

I proved from the New one, that it is no longer required, because the Old testament was just a shadow and its fulfillment is in Christ.

 

[comingfrom]

[FONT=&quot]He which testifies these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Revelation 22:20[/FONT]

 

[JohnTalmid]

Do not worry about the church, she is safe.

"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."
Matthew 16:18

Sure just ignore the majority of my post and make a generic statement that means little to address the issue.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Exodus is in the Old testament.

I proved from the New one, that it is no longer required, because the Old testament was just a shadow and its fulfillment is in Christ.

Ignorant of truth maybe...

 

[JohnTalmid]

Hi JohnTalmid,

I understand God's law very well Isn't it Ironic that Christ is the passover, and that the passover under the Mosaic Covenant was only a dim shadow of the glorious passover lamb that Jesus is.

The old has passed away, including the old shadows of observing the passover, now we celebrate, worship and observe the true passover lamb, the offering and the offerer, The lamb and priest - Jesus. And we do that on the day He rose from the dead fulfilling what the types.pictures and shadows of the Mosaic covenant could only point to. That day is the Lords day.

There is no need to go back under the shadows and types... a far greater has appeared in glorious light.. Jesus.. Not law.

Our Sabbath is now in Christ, our rest although already not yet..So we meet on the Lords day in worship in anticipation of the consummation and the eternal rest (Sabbath).

The church - the people of and in Jesus-- meet every Lords day. Dear John don't put yourself back under the law..you just might be judged under it!!!!

When the children of Israel did sacrifice a goat to YHWH and put all the sin on the goat dedicated to Azazel and let him loose to wander in the wilderness, this was a shadow. Their is still a shadow in this, as Azazel has yet to have all sin of the congregation of Elohim in Messiah put on him. We are under the law, all of us anyway.

You say Jesus is the Passover yet Messiah declared, "as often as you do this, do it in remembrance of me" and your tradition of the cup is from the Catholic faith, (the communion). The true cup of the festival is the cup of our redeemer. Their are three cups and yet another to come in the Kingdom.
These are things that have not yet entered into many minds and hearts because of lack of knowledge in the law of God.
You confuse the law, Sabbath, and festivals just as you probably have misunderstood this parable of the wheat and ter. What is gathered first the righteous like the false hope of the rapture, or the wicked to be burned up by fire? Messiah wouldn't have gone against the scripture, "you will look for them, but not find them". I say that if the gatherer comes and waves his sickle the wicked will be reaped, not the righteous. Remember that one word that says, " even the faith of righteous men of scripture would save only themselves". This couldn't mean that our righteous works save buy our works, what is True is that those works created for mankind by God for us to live in are meant for us to live in.

 

[trofimus]

Ignorant of truth maybe...

What an answer.

 

[valiant]

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."


1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him."


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

And what are His commandments?

He said, These are His commandments:

Mat 19:17-19
And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.

He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

No mention of the Sabbath,

 

[phil36]

When the children of Israel did sacrifice a goat to YHWH and put all the sin on the goat dedicated to Azazel and let him loose to wander in the wilderness, this was a shadow. Their is still a shadow in this, as Azazel has yet to have all sin of the congregation of Elohim in Messiah put on him. We are under the law, all of us anyway.

Hi JohnTalmid,

This is an interesting statement:

Their is still a shadow in this, as Azazel has yet to have all sin of the congregation of Elohim in Messiah put on him. We are under the law, all of us anyway.

The sins of God's people has been taken away. The scapegoat was symbolical of what Christ accomplished once and for all. It is not up to Azazel. It is God's work of salvation, God Himself made the sacrifice.

"Heb 10:12 - But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God's right hand. The scapegoat was symbolical of what Christ accomplished once and for all.

You do not have the gospel my friend. Remember what scripture says:

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

It does not say:

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, and he is awaiting for Azazel to place the Christians sin on him.

What you are teaching is dangerous for it is not the gospel. But you already know this!

 

[Hizikyah]

And what are His commandments?

He said, These are His commandments:

Mat 19:17-19
And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.

He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

No mention of the Sabbath,

No mention of Love Yah with all your heart either, are you isolating a verse there? You know that is how the pharisees viewed the Word, they would pick it apart to create loopholes.

Deuteronomy 8:3“And He humbled you, and let you suffer hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, to make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but by every Word that comes from the mouth of יהוה."

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

 

[JaumeJ]

I cannot speak for others but the older I am the more it seems the six days of each week seem to fly by. During those six days I also seem to accomplish more....well, Yahweh does it for me, and the Sabbath is closer and closer together. I know this sounds weird, but it is a beautiful way. Yeshua is returing soon, hurry Jesus, hurry, amen.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Exodus is in the Old testament.

and your point is?

I proved from the New one, that it is no longer required, because the Old testament was just a shadow and its fulfillment is in Christ.

No you did not. God's Word says that; All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: and we are to live by every word of it (2 Tim 3:16; Matthew 4:4).

Please explain; how can something be a Shadow of a finished work before sin entered thw world (Genesis 2:1-3)?

 

[trofimus]

and your point is?

The new one is actual (logically).

No you did not.

I did. 5 clear proofs from the New testament

God's Word says that; All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: and we are to live by every word of it (2 Tim 3:16; Matthew 4:4).

But you must understand what you read and when.

Please explain; how can something be a Shadow of a finished work before sin entered thw world (Genesis 2:1-3)?

God is above human time.