Sabbath

[trofimus]

first off the Shabbat was established in Gen 2:2 long before the commandments were given on mout sainai! Shabbat is for all mankind, not just the hebrew people. The so called rules and rituals were not given then: it is simply a day of rest.We are to rest and meditate upon G-d. We rest so we do not get so caught up in the effort to acquire possessions, but instead realize that there are other things in life to desire.We are to meditate upon G-d as a reminder that he is, and that he cares for us. These are nor grevious requests, and they are not rituals.

According to tradition, Genesis was written by Moses. According to scholars, much later.

So the Sabbath mentioned in it is not given by the creation, but by Moses. And Moses has nothing to do with other nations than Israel.

 

[JaumeJ]

Tradition mentione also does apply to how it is taught that oral tradition from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Abraham and farther beyond to the time of the Hebrews in Egypt included much if not all of what Moses wrote down in the laws. The oly difference would be the Ten Commandments included in the Pentateuch.

I beliee by the Holy Spirit that the Seventh Day was hallowed by God, and it was given to man, a gift of the Father, to be not only a day to rest fromt he other days of labor but to be with God......nothing actually ritualistic or ceremonial, just a gift to be accepted as something to be cherished from our Father.......

first off the Shabbat was established in Gen 2:2 long before the commandments were given on mout sainai! Shabbat is for all mankind, not just the hebrew people. The so called rules and rituals were not given then: it is simply a day of rest.We are to rest and meditate upon G-d. We rest so we do not get so caught up in the effort to acquire possessions, but instead realize that there are other things in life to desire.We are to meditate upon G-d as a reminder that he is, and that he cares for us. These are nor grevious requests, and they are not rituals.

According to tradition, Genesis was written by Moses. According to scholars, much later.

So the Sabbath mentioned in it is not given by the creation, but by Moses. And Moses has nothing to do with other nations than Israel.

 

[Dai3234]

Hi, nice to see another poster from the UK...there aren't many of us....but to the point...
you seem to think that rules/instruction/commands are not important...because we are... well...more or less saved already regardless of what we do ? shall we continue in sin ? Rom 6; 1Joh 3v4;
If that is so then why all the instructions and commandments and rules we are told to keep/obey/follow ? The Bible would be a very slim book without them....so actually they are important and the Sabbath is included, being the only one sanctified and holy to God. God does not 'lightly sanctify and hallow everything...so this day must be special to Him ?!?!

Do you think that anyone who transgresses God's law/commands or does not do His Will is going to be in His Kingdom ? Jesus/Yahshua says NOT Mat 7v21-23, don't you think HE would know ?

The point is, the inner man does not sin (holy spirit etc), the outer man does. The Holy Ghost, The Father, Jesus etc, scourge you to do right. Every day. Carrying your cross, is denying self, daily.

What you want doesn't matter. When you realise your surrounded by vessels fitted for destruction, from the beginning, you stop worrying, more and more, everyday. Letting the inner man grow and dominate.

The Sabbath is "rest", the Sabbath is in you, isn't it? Maybe in wrong.

Gonna check grace and truth ministries, Sabbath series.

 

[Hizikyah]

The point is, the inner man does not sin (holy spirit etc), the outer man does. The Holy Ghost, The Father, Jesus etc, scourge you to do right. Every day. Carrying your cross, is denying self, daily.

What you want doesn't matter. When you realise your surrounded by vessels fitted for destruction, from the beginning, you stop worrying, more and more, everyday. Letting the inner man grow and dominate.

The Sabbath is "rest", the Sabbath is in you, isn't it? Maybe in wrong.

Gonna check grace and truth ministries, Sabbath series.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]

 

[trofimus]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Πᾶς ὁ ποιῶν τὴν ἁμαρτίαν καὶ τὴν ἀνομίαν ποιεῖ, καὶ ἡ ἁμαρτία ἐστὶν ἡ ἀνομία.
The right translation is "All who commits the sin, commits also the lawlessness. And the sin is lawlessness."

So there is actually nothing about "the Law". Translations can be misleading.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by apostletruth-seeker

first off the Shabbat was established in Gen 2:2 long before the commandments were given on mout sainai!

The Sabbath is not mentioned in Genesis 1-2. It simply tells us that GOD rested on the seventh day, a sign that His creation was completed. The seventh day was then 'sanctfied'. There was no suggestion that it was binding on man. It was simply the culmination of His great work.

Shabbat is for all mankind, not just the hebrew people. The so called rules and rituals were not given then: it is simply a day of rest.We are to rest and meditate upon G-d.

where does it say so? You are adding to God's word.

We rest so we do not get so caught up in the effort to acquire possessions, but instead realize that there are other things in life to desire.We are to meditate upon G-d as a reminder that he is, and that he cares for us. These are nor grevious requests, and they are not rituals.

there is no sign that the seventh day was kept special as you suggest until Exod 20 where it was a sign to Israel. And it is not our seventh day, for we have no record going back to creation.

That is why we select our own day to observe to the Lord. (Rom 14)

 

[Hizikyah]

Πᾶς ὁ ποιῶν τὴν ἁμαρτίαν καὶ τὴν ἀνομίαν ποιεῖ, καὶ ἡ ἁμαρτία ἐστὶν ἡ ἀνομία.
The right translation is "All who commits the sin, commits also the lawlessness. And the sin is lawlessness."

So there is actually nothing about "the Law". Translations can be misleading.

Lawlessness has nothing to do with the Law? OK.

 

[trofimus]

Lawlessness has nothing to do with the Law? OK.

NOt necessarily with the [Mosaic] Law.

 

[Endoscopy]

first off the Shabbat was established in Gen 2:2 long before the commandments were given on mout sainai! Shabbat is for all mankind, not just the hebrew people. The so called rules and rituals were not given then: it is simply a day of rest.We are to rest and meditate upon G-d. We rest so we do not get so caught up in the effort to acquire possessions, but instead realize that there are other things in life to desire.We are to meditate upon G-d as a reminder that he is, and that he cares for us. These are nor grevious requests, and they are not rituals.

Going back to Cain and Able there was the concept of sin since they were making sacrifices. Sin is the transgression of the law. Therefore they had some standard to judge when they sinned. How they knew is not recorded.

 

[oldethennew]

personally, I believe that I could comprehend 'if' I was
offering/giving my Saviour the very best of what I had to give...

 

[Studyman]

Going back to Cain and Able there was the concept of sin since they were making sacrifices. Sin is the transgression of the law. Therefore they had some standard to judge when they sinned. How they knew is not recorded.

Not recorded until Moses. I am glad you are not of the preaching that God didn’t give man instruction until Moses

 

[mailmandan]

The Sabbath is not mentioned in Genesis 1-2. It simply tells us that GOD rested on the seventh day, a sign that His creation was completed. The seventh day was then 'sanctfied'. There was no suggestion that it was binding on man. It was simply the culmination of His great work.

I was just reading about that.

Adam, Noah and Abraham NEVER kept the Sabbath

Here is an article on how Sabbatarians twist scripture below:

How Sabbatarians twist scripture: What you must know to refute them.

Testimony of a third generation Seventh-day Adventist of over 50 years

Sabbathgate 1888 by Kerry Wynne

 

[LoveGodForever]

I was just reading about that.

Adam, Noah and Abraham NEVER kept the Sabbath

Here is an article on how Sabbatarians twist scripture below:

How Sabbatarians twist scripture: What you must know to refute them.

Testimony of a third generation Seventh-day Adventist of over 50 years

Sabbathgate 1888 by Kerry Wynne

Beware of those that point man to the word of man and the word of website over the Word of God. If the blind shall lead the blind they shall both fall into a ditch. Who can know the Word of God when there is no Spirit to lead them because they receive not the love of the truth, God shall send them strong delusions that they should believe a lie....

 

[oldethennew]

B's and S's, 'keeping Sabbath, is a very personal 'heart thing'...
it souly belongs to Him and to those whom He calls to share it with...

 

[Iconoclast]

oldethennew;

B's and S's, 'keeping Sabbath, is a very personal 'heart thing'...
it souly belongs to Him and to those whom He calls to share it with..

looks as it belongs to all nations;
[FONT=&quot]22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.[/FONT]

 

[beta]

Lawlessness has nothing to do with the Law? OK.

I know...it is just 'staggering how people seem to lose all sense of reasoning in order to uphold their own beliefs.

 

[beta]

The point is, the inner man does not sin (holy spirit etc), the outer man does. The Holy Ghost, The Father, Jesus etc, scourge you to do right. Every day. Carrying your cross, is denying self, daily.

What you want doesn't matter. When you realise your surrounded by vessels fitted for destruction, from the beginning, you stop worrying, more and more, everyday. Letting the inner man grow and dominate.

The Sabbath is "rest", the Sabbath is in you, isn't it? Maybe in wrong.

Gonna check grace and truth ministries, Sabbath series.

what's wrong with 'checking GOD's Word ? isn't that what we are 'admonished to do ? have'nt read anywhere GOD telling us to go to other sources...stay with scripture friend, straight from the horse's mouth...anything else could be polluted and perverted...and dangerous to indulge in !

 

[vic1980]

A call to examine God Word​

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

While i lived as a infant in Christ i made many mistakes , but now as a adult there is no excuse for me. Question who is going to twist His Word ???

Let us be wise on cc and accept His Truth shalom​

 

[oldethennew]

GEN. 26:5.
Because that Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments,
My statutes, and My laws.

LUKE 1:5.
There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias,
of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

LUKE 1:6.
And they were both Righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances
of The Lord blameless.

 

[Dai3234]

what's wrong with 'checking GOD's Word ? isn't that what we are 'admonished to do ? have'nt read anywhere GOD telling us to go to other sources...stay with scripture friend, straight from the horse's mouth...anything else could be polluted and perverted...and dangerous to indulge in !

Because I don't read greek, that's why. I follow the KJV line, but don't fully trust the KJV accuracy, as shown by Jim Brown.

The Sabbath is expressed in Hebrews as the people did not enter into his rest. Not, they didn't turn up on Saturday. That's basically the point.

And apparently the word wrath, is feminine and God is masculine nearly always, in texts etc. Eloheim = masculine etc. We, and Israel are feminine, but also a word changes to opposite meanings etc. Sarki is feminine (wrath) apparently.

Many issues like this, are why I don't fully trust the KJV translation, but trust the line of text because of forefather notes, before the sainaiticus etc.

Finding out the sons of God are the commandment followers, and the sons of men are gentiles, finding bottomless pit means gen 11 place of no knowledge, scorpions maybe scatterers of the word.

Seems to make more sense in context. I advise a look. Im still treading carefully though, just incase something's wrong.