Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

[LoveGodForever]

Never said you could. Try reading to understand sometimes,
Next.

Here is me all this time thinking you were arguing against the 10 commandments of God's Love? So you now agree that faith works by LOVE and produces the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Law? You know there is 10 commandments and this includes the 4th. We can't keep 9 and break one or we are guilty before G0d of breaking ALL (James 2:8-12)

 

[MarcR]

Gee I must have missed that scripture? Where does it say that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day..................

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

Ac 15:23-29
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV


Col 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
KJV

 

[dcontroversal]

I think we can all agree that God's character never changes. I think most of us agree that God often changes His methods; or in mercy withholds judgement. What is arguable; and is in fact at the heart of this thread, is whether the Law is to be viewed as a method by which God deals with people outside of ethnic Israel. One may further question what God intended when He gave Israel the Law, in light of the New Testament.

My answers to those questions are:

God never gave the Law to anyone outside of ethnic Israel.

God gave the Law to Israel to show the futility of trying to please God by our own efforts. The Law has always been intentionally unattainable. Its sole purpose is to demonstrate our need for a Savior.

AMEN..as I have said numerous times....that which was designed to prove guilt will never exonerate or make righteous before God because it's weakness is the flesh of men and NO ONE KEEPS THE LAW.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here is me all this time thinking you were arguing against the 10 commandments of God's Love? So you now agree that faith works by LOVE and produces the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Law? You know there is 10 commandments and this includes the 4th. We can't keep 9 and break one or we are guilty before G0d of breaking ALL (James 2:8-12)

Nope. Never argued against the 10 commands.

Again, Try to understand what people are saying.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Ac 15:23-29
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV


Col 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
KJV

Well lets' see you quote Acts 15 which is talking about circumcision and does not even mention God's 4th commandment let alone most of the others. So NO those scriptures DO NOT say that God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day does it?

Acts 15
1, And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2, When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3, And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4, And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

So nope the context of Acts 15 is circumcision and those scriptures do not say that God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day does it?

Lets have a look at your next scripture................

Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

Well all this scripture is only saying not to judge anyone in relation to holy days, new moons and sabbath days. It is also not referring to the 4th commandment but the annual and monthly ceremonial sabbaths from the book of Moses to do with remission of sin. The annual sabbaths of the Old Covenant where linked to the yearly festivals under the Mosaic laws and could fall on any day of the year unlike the 4th commandment which was every 7th day (Leviticus 23; Exodus 20:8-11). These as well as the rest of the Mosaic laws for remission of sin were nailed to the cross and the topic of Colossians 2 and Ephesians 2.

Mosaic shadow laws for remission of sin in the Old and New Covenant.............

EXODUS 24 [5] And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.[6] And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. [7] AND HE TOOK THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT AND READ IN THE AUDIENCE OF THE PEOPLE: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. [8] And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, BEHOLD THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

NUMBERS 25 [11] Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy. [12] Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him MY COVENANT of peace: [13] And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even THE COVENANT OF AN EVERLASTING PRIESTHOOD; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS LAW:

DEUTERONOMY 31 [24] And it came to pass, when MOSES HAD MADE AN END OF WRITING THE WORDS OF THIS BOOK, UNTIL THEY WERE FINISHED, [25] That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, [26], TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, AND PUT IT IN THE SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT OF THE LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee
The Ark of the Covenant was the home of the covenant to God and His people and included both (1) God’s Law (10 commandments) written on stone and (2) The laws of Moses written in book. Together these made up the Old Covenant ………..

DEUTERONOMY 10 [8] At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day.

The God’s Law (10 commandments) on two tables of stone were placed inside because they were part of the Old Covenant. The Mosaic law written in a book was also placed in the side of the Ark because it was part of the Old Covenant……………...................

DEUTERONOMY 31 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, AND PUT IT IN THE SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT OF THE LORD your God that it may be there for a witness against thee

What was the purpose of God's Law (10 commandments) written on stone by God and the Mosaic laws written by Moses in a book...............................

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments)
Purpose; reveals what sin and righteousness (right doing) is and the describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial)
Purpose; was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......

Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the Savior of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).

Linking the old testament Mosaic Shadow laws for remission of sin to the New Covenant....

ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

HEBREWS 10 [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN THOU WOULDEST NOT, NEITHER HADST PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10 explains exactly what Isaiah 1 was speaking about. He takes away the 1st covenant {the meat and drink offerings} and established the 2nd covenant {the body of Christ}

LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

New testament...blood

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS 10 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

HEBREWS 8 [2] A MINISTER OF THE SANCTUARY, AND OF THE TRUE TABERNACLE, WHICH THE LORD PITCHED AND NOT MAN. [3] For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [4] For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: [5] WHO SERVES AS AN EXAMPLE AND SHADOW OF THE HEAVENLY THINGS, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. [6] But now hath HE HAS OBTAINED A MORE EXCELLENT MINISTRY, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER COVENANT, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED ON BETTER PROMISES . [7] For if that FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN NO PLACE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR A SECOND. [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITHE THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.

Yep lots of scripture and many more not in this post that identify what the shadow law was that is fulfilled in Christ. It has never been God's Law which the scriptures say are forever and the vert standard of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come.............

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).

So NO none of the scriptures you quoted say that God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day!

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Nope. Never argued against the 10 commands.

Again, Try to understand what people are saying.

Great nice to meet another Sabbath keeper seems we are all in agreement then God bless you brother EG

 

[MarcR]

Great nice to meet another Sabbath keeper seems we are all in agreement then God bless you brother EG

You know that was not EG's intent! How does twisting his words advance your argument?

 

[LoveGodForever]

You know that was not EG's intent! How does twisting his words advance your argument?

Hello MarC, Please tell me how I have twisted EG's words? Here let me make is easy by posting the conversation....

LoveGodForever said:

You cannot separate LOVE from GOD'S LAW................

Let's have a look.............................................. ..

What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.................

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Let's get clearer........................................... ...........

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
18, He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James............................................. ...................

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word...........................

Romans 13
8, Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17)

So now that God's Word shows us what it is referring to. No need to guess, what are talking about, God’s Law of Love is God's 10 commandments. It is only through Faith that works by love that anyone can walk in the Spirit which produces the fruit of obedience because love is the fulfilling of God’s Law in those that walk by faith and not by sight.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:26-27; 31)

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

EG replied......................................

Never said you could. Try reading to understand sometimes, Next.

This was followed with.....................

LoveGodForever said: Here is me all this time thinking you were arguing against the 10 commandments of God's Love? So you now agree that faith works by LOVE and produces the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Law? You know there is 10 commandments and this includes the 4th. We can't keep 9 and break one or we are guilty before G0d of breaking ALL (James 2:8-12)

EG replied.....................................

Nope. Never argued against the 10 commands. Again, Try to understand what people are saying.

At which was said..............

Great nice to meet another Sabbath keeper seems we are all in agreement then God bless you brother EG

Please tell me how I twisted what he said? He said he agrees that you cannot separate God's 10 commandments from love and he was never arguing against God's commandments which includes the 4th commandment. His Words not mine. Did you need to apologize or did I miss something from the conversation?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is shameful when you dream up that I equate any good work with personal righteousness, and, quite frankly, it is a lie.

Obedience and good works is our due, and our righteousness is Jesus Christ. Now do not post if you are notunderstanding the continueal posting from others on obedience under grace. You demonstrate either you are not reading or having eyes you do not see.

Why do you equate righteousness with the Sabbath?

Gods gift was His Son who shed His blood to atone for sin. The Sabbath can only illustrate mans unworthiness. If you are going to keep the law you must follow the Kosher diet. And don't forget to not trim the corners of your beard.

Is righteousness and holiness outward or in the heart that adores the Lord?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[loveme1]

I see the lawyers and Pharisees are still blind.....God's law is still to be kept.....HAHAHAH that is hilarious....unless one KEEPS every jot and tittle 24/7/365 their whole life they DO NOT KEEP THE LAW AND ARE GUILTY OF BREAKING THE WHOLE LAW as it is ALL OR NOTHING.....NO ONE but JESUS has kept the LAW...everyone else CANNOT keep the law...fail 1 time and you are a law breaker and have NOT KEPT IT.......1+1 does not equal 3

So we are to believe the above is the Holy Spirit guiding you?


If Christ said Keep even the Least Commandment I believe Him.. there is no condemnation and we are encouraged to be perfect like our Father in Heaven and Love even our enemies.. lots to Believe and do.. Love and Forgive as we are Loved and Forgiven... I’m Justified by Faith in Christ.. now while under Grace at Liberty in Christ we are free.. we have a yoke which is light and gives rests to our souls.. GOD’s Law in a New Covenant Which is an agreement.. and to partake we are to Believe in His Son...


but my oh my you do not Believe His Word because you would not be writing the above to accuse.. why not go read the Gospel and Believe His Word’s of Instruction..

The Lord’s Believers know He Kept and fulfilled the Law.. Was Victorious on their behalf.. the condemnation lifted oh but they are very grateful and know they have nothing to offer the King.. but their Love and obedience as unworthy servants of His..

Stop talking like we are not to be judged by the Law of Liberty once we Believe and born again of the Holy Spirit.

 

[loveme1]

It is shameful when you dream up that I equate any good work with personal righteousness, and, quite frankly, it is a lie.

Obedience and good works is our due, and our righteousness is Jesus Christ. Now do not post if you are notunderstanding the continueal posting from others on obedience under grace. You demonstrate either you are not reading or having eyes you do not see.

unworthy servants that enter in to the Kingdom of GOD through the King’s Victory..


Faithful servants? Let the King Judge in good time.

 

[Hizikyah]

Only YHWH saves and righteous works are not the enemy, satan is.

 

[JaumeJ]

You must guard your tongue here or some idiot will not realize you know the righteous works are from God for all of us. Yes you will be accused of claiming your own righteousness.

They will, and when they do remember this post, for you are speaking truth.God bless you.

Only YHWH saves and righteous works are not the enemy, satan is.

 

[followjesus]

So we are to believe the above is the Holy Spirit guiding you?


If Christ said Keep even the Least Commandment I believe Him.. there is no condemnation and we are encouraged to be perfect like our Father in Heaven and Love even our enemies.. lots to Believe and do.. Love and Forgive as we are Loved and Forgiven... I’m Justified by Faith in Christ.. now while under Grace at Liberty in Christ we are free.. we have a yoke which is light and gives rests to our souls.. GOD’s Law in a New Covenant Which is an agreement.. and to partake we are to Believe in His Son...


but my oh my you do not Believe His Word because you would not be writing the above to accuse.. why not go read the Gospel and Believe His Word’s of Instruction..

The Lord’s Believers know He Kept and fulfilled the Law.. Was Victorious on their behalf.. the condemnation lifted oh but they are very grateful and know they have nothing to offer the King.. but their Love and obedience as unworthy servants of His..

Stop talking like we are not to be judged by the Law of Liberty once we Believe and born again of the Holy Spirit.

sister have you noticed this ever in 2 peter

2 peter 3:2 peter 3: 14-18 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen."

this is very apparent today, its strange because paul so clearly makes it understood aboiut judgement, repentance of sin, obedience to the gospel. always spur others toward the god works, now that they have believed" but the ideas come from false teachers and false doctrines shape the mind and cause the incredibly bold claims of how Jesus the One mediator and testator of the covenant somehow his words arent for the new testament,,,,, just looking at the gosl of ommiting the word of God, this doctrine isnt hard to see where it comes from. genesis 3

 

[followjesus]

Here is me all this time thinking you were arguing against the 10 commandments of God's Love? So you now agree that faith works by LOVE and produces the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Law? You know there is 10 commandments and this includes the 4th. We can't keep 9 and break one or we are guilty before G0d of breaking ALL (James 2:8-12)

perhaps this will help

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members......

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free ( john 8:31-35, john 14:15-26,romans 6:15-19)from the law of sin and death.( romans 7:23 above) 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; butthey that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.( john 6:63) 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."

paul explains clearly the works of the flesh that bring death and how this connects to romans 7-8

galatians 5 :This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. ( romans 7)18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. "


paul was always teaching repentance and obedience also, his words are different but his messages the same. romans 7 the end of that is paul explaining what has been done, how the sinful nature operates bringing us into scaptivity to the law of sin, and then he explains the answer for us in chaoter 8 that frees us from that law of sin that makes it so we cant do what we know is right.

many interpret it to mean while we live on eearth we can never please God, but its saying if we live in the flesh nature doing those things we can never please God if we follow the flesh, out actions will tell the story, if were following the spirit, our actions will tell the story.

romans 6:15-23 "What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

yet he committed murder and adultry after God made this claim about him.

You know what? I also struggled with this but we had a series about David and the difference between David and the rest of the people was the way he repented. Brother could this guy repent. I think that is why God loved him, because of his pure heart .

The other thing about David was that he loved God's word and law with all his heart... maybe that is why God loved him back (I am just saying )

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Man after GOD’s own heart.

Yes he was. If we all could repent like David, the world would be a different place

 

[JaumeJ]

His son, Solomon, was not far behind daddy. I love David and Solomon because God loves them, and His wisdom always trumps sthat of man..............

You know what? I also struggled with this but we had a series about David and the difference between David and the rest of the people was the way he repented. Brother could this guy repent. I think that is why God loved him, because of his pure heart .

The other thing about David was that he loved God's word and law with all his heart... maybe that is why God loved him back (I am just saying )

 

[JaumeJ]

It helps to consider how when David wanted to build a house for God, God told him to hold that in abeyance for his son to do for David had bloodguilt against him. The death of Uriah was not cite but the fact that David had killed in battle. I understand God sent David into battle, so here too is a mystery.

It reminds me of the teaching, "So what if somone is disobedient by my will!" Our Father is mysterious , wondrous and always good. I believe this, and I always will.

Yes he was. If we all could repent like David, the world would be a different place

 

[loveme1]

sister have you noticed this ever in 2 peter

2 peter 3:2 peter 3: 14-18 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen."

this is very apparent today, its strange because paul so clearly makes it understood aboiut judgement, repentance of sin, obedience to the gospel. always spur others toward the god works, now that they have believed" but the ideas come from false teachers and false doctrines shape the mind and cause the incredibly bold claims of how Jesus the One mediator and testator of the covenant somehow his words arent for the new testament,,,,, just looking at the gosl of ommiting the word of God, this doctrine isnt hard to see where it comes from. genesis 3

I have my dear but thank you for the reminder..


Believing the Lord above all.. and nothing is contrary if you make your house on Good Foundation.. I hear His voice by the Grace of GOD and there be no veil of Moses as some conclude..

New wine is Better and may all Bottles Believe and Receive it..