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[mj007]

It is crucial to understand that Jesus fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17–18). Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the Law. Ephesians 2:15 says that Jesus set aside the Law with its commands and regulations. Galatians 3:25 says, now that faith has come, we are no longer under the guardianship of the Law. The civil and ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament Law were for an earlier time. The Law’s purpose was completed with the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So, no, the Bible does not command that homosexuals should be put to death in this day and age.

Also important to understand is that the civil laws within the Mosaic Law were meant for Israel under a theocracy. God’s chosen people, living in the Promised Land, following God as their King, were to adhere to a system of civil laws with divinely prescribed punishments. The priests taught the laws, the rulers enforced the laws, and the judges meted out punishments as necessary. The rule of Leviticus 20:13, “They are to be put to death,” was given to duly appointed government officials, not to ordinary citizens or vigilantes. The civil laws of the Old Testament were never intended to apply to other cultures or other times. There’s a reason why the nightclub attacker was not Jewish or Christian. Jews and Christians understand the intent and limits of the Old Covenant Law. By contrast, the Koran does not qualify its command to kill homosexuals, and many Muslims see that command as enforceable today.


For someone who has shown an anti-Muslim stance on here, you appear to be more in line with their teaching than the teachings of Jesus.

Like I have said before, it seems to me that people use the OT, when it condones either violence, hatred, judgement (otherwise known as fear/phobia) against X.

Which time do you live in, OT times BC, or NT times AD?

​Homosexuality was punishable by death,I'd say that closes the book on it,by whatever name you choose to use its a perversion and sin.

 

[kaylagrl]

It is crucial to understand that Jesus fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17–18). Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the Law. Ephesians 2:15 says that Jesus set aside the Law with its commands and regulations. Galatians 3:25 says, now that faith has come, we are no longer under the guardianship of the Law. The civil and ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament Law were for an earlier time. The Law’s purposewas completed with the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So, no, the Bible does not command that homosexuals should be put to death in this day and age.

Also important to understand is that the civil laws within the Mosaic Law were meant for Israel under a theocracy. God’s chosen people, living in the Promised Land, following God as their King, were to adhere to a system of civil laws with divinely prescribed punishments. The priests taught the laws, the rulers enforced the laws, and the judges meted out punishments as necessary. The rule of Leviticus 20:13, “They are to be put to death,” was given to duly appointed government officials, not to ordinary citizens or vigilantes. The civil laws of the Old Testament were never intended to apply to other cultures or other times. There’s a reason why the nightclub attacker was not Jewish or Christian. Jews and Christians understand the intent and limits of the Old Covenant Law. By contrast, the Koran does not qualify its command to kill homosexuals, and many Muslims see that command as enforceable today.


For someone who has shown an anti-Muslim stance on here, you appear to be more in line with their teaching than the teachings of Jesus.

Like I have said before, it seems to me that people use the OT, when it condones either violence, hatred, judgement (otherwise known as fear/phobia) against X.

Which time do you live in, OT times BC, or NT times AD?

Im going to start at the bottom since its what caught my eye first.I don't have an anti-Muslim stance,I have an anti-Islam stance. And I'll let you in on this....God agrees with me. Islam is anti-Christ and thats just the beginning of issues with that belief system.Abuse of women and children,mutilation of young girls are high on the list to. Ask a Muslim who has converted to Christianity about Islam,they'll agree with me too.

The OT is part of Gods Word,always was,always will be.Homosexuality was wrong in the OT its wrong in the NT and its wrong now. Jesus agrees with God and Im saying what the Word says.Now you can put words in peoples mouths all day about phobias and hatred and you can let these folk stay in bondage and send them right into hell. I won't stop you.But I believe in telling people the truth,that God loves them,they need a Savior or they will be lost. Their blood will not be on my hands.

You can go back and read my post again,I never said homosexuality should be punished by death,I said it was in the OT,we are now living in the age of grace.So once again,don't need you to put words in my mouth.You wasted a lot of breath and accusations on something I never said.

 

[Demi777]

Why are people defending sin. Also, saying christianity is over 2000 years old and using that as a excuse is a big sign of being a nonbeliever.
Why the hell are people dragging their “belief“ into the dirt for the sake of sin.
Looks like people WANT Jesus to show his bad side. What people sometimes come here. Want God to be with him but let him down when they can.

 

[pckts]

Why are people defending sin. Also, saying christianity is over 2000 years old and using that as a excuse is a big sign of being a nonbeliever.
Why the hell are people dragging their “belief“ into the dirt for the sake of sin.
Looks like people WANT Jesus to show his bad side. What people sometimes come here. Want God to be with him but let him down when they can.

They have become friends of the world by accepting liberal values and beliefs. They didn't want to be seen as "homophobic, non-accepting, or a bible thumper" by the crowds they run with or wish they were accepted by.

They don't have the courage and conviction to stand up for their beliefs and faith, so they have denied The Bible and those beliefs so they can have their worldly friends and eat their Christian cake too. Some of them became Christians later in life, and are unwilling to leave behind the comfort of being politically (worldly) correct.

James 4:4
King James Bible
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Another Issue I see with many of them, is that they greatly mistake who God is. Christ had a specific mission, yet they want the person acting in this specific role to represent the entirety of who He is. They deny the portrayal of God in the Old Testament, because it doesn't fit with their comforting and loving image of Christ in the NT. Rather than see God for who He is, they only want to see what they want to see.

They say "My God is love", when the reality is, God is Good. There is such a thing as a "greater Good" (or for their own Good), and serving the greater Good means not accepting or defending homosexuality. They don't have a problem believing Christ turned over the animal sacrifice tables out of love, but to say he doesn't condone homosexuality out of love is being their comprehension.

 

[Demi777]

They have become friends of the world by accepting liberal values and beliefs. They didn't want to be seen as "homophobic, non-accepting, or a bible thumper" by the crowds they run with or wish they were accepted by.

They don't have the courage and conviction to stand up for their beliefs and faith, so they have denied The Bible and those beliefs so they can have their worldly friends and eat their Christian cake too. Some of them became Christians later in life, and are unwilling to leave behind the comfort of being politically (worldly) correct.

James 4:4
King James Bible
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Another Issue I see with many of them, is that they greatly mistake who God is. Christ had a specific mission, yet they want the person acting in this specific role to represent the entirety of who He is. They deny the portrayal of God in the Old Testament, because it doesn't fit with their comforting and loving image of Christ in the NT. Rather than see God for who He is, they only want to see what they want to see.

They say "My God is love", when the reality is, God is Good. There is such a thing as a "greater Good" (or for their own Good), and serving the greater Good means not accepting or defending homosexuality. They don't have a problem believing Christ turned over the animal sacrifice tables out of love, but to say he doesn't condone homosexuality out of love is being their comprehension.

Its ridiculous. In my class there's a liberal lesbian. She asked my opinion and i gave it to her and done. She was really upset at first but by now shes still my friend cause she knows i don't hate her but i just simply dont accept her lifestyle
I gotta tolorate it. Thats all
Her friend asked me if i am homophobic too. This wore is so stupid. I dont care what a person is by sex. Just font expect me to call it normal and accept it as such.
God isnt just good and love. He is the righteous judge as well. People always forget that God doesnt change, but wish he did b cause of the OT.
That same God from NT AND OT will be sitting infront of us..not a nice guy with beard

 

[pckts]

Its ridiculous. In my class there's a liberal lesbian. She asked my opinion and i gave it to her and done. She was really upset at first but by now shes still my friend cause she knows i don't hate her but i just simply dont accept her lifestyle
I gotta tolorate it. Thats all
Her friend asked me if i am homophobic too. This wore is so stupid. I dont care what a person is by sex. Just font expect me to call it normal and accept it as such.
God isnt just good and love. He is the righteous judge as well. People always forget that God doesnt change, but wish he did b cause of the OT.
That same God from NT AND OT will be sitting infront of us..not a nice guy with beard

"homophobic" is when you don't encourage the behavior and the disappointed/negative natural response it elicits. I don't reject the entire person either, but I let them know I don't want to hear about their sex life/orientation, and I will never bring it up or acknowledge it. I focus on everything else about them except for the part I reject, and I tell them honestly how I feel about it. Like anyone, they can appreciate knowing where they stand with someone and being treated "like everyone else", meaning we usually don't "accept" behavior we believe is bad in others.

The "OT God" (I know it's all the same I'm using their phrasing) is someone that will hold you to a higher standard and you will have to work harder to please, as well as become at odds with the world. I fear God and I'm not expecting rapture or salvation on my death or at judgement day, I will accept it like a gift if those are given to me but I don't think I deserve or have earned it. If I bought into this "all loving all accepting" concept I would be much more lax about my spiritual development and in a false sense of security.

 

[Dude653]

Why are people defending sin. Also, saying christianity is over 2000 years old and using that as a excuse is a big sign of being a nonbeliever.
Why the hell are people dragging their “belief“ into the dirt for the sake of sin.
Looks like people WANT Jesus to show his bad side. What people sometimes come here. Want God to be with him but let him down when they can.

What many Christians fail to understand is there's a difference between believing and forcing others to believe as well.. not everyone is going to follow the Bible and that's their choice. Not my concern

 

[Zi]

Jesus came to save not condemn so who are you?

The crux of the issue

Folks forget messengers are sent by God. You people send yourselves and tell them how wrong they are.

When you needed saved just as they. Without Jesus you'd still have nothing.

I hate the superior complex of hypocrites.

Liars force that on people. You condemn and force that on them... drunks force people to deal with them. Same for rude, mocking, unkind people. The list can go on.....

So interesting to see how off and unbalanced folks get.. you're not Jesus.. you don't have the wisdom to know who to offend and who to say neither do I condemn you...

But they are forcing me to accept it.
I can not choose to not serve them.
I can not openly condemn their lifestyle as ungodly without paying a price.
As I said before, what anyone does in private is between them and God.
BUT do not say I must accept it and must not speak out against it.

What is next?

 

[Zi]

Clearly Jesus gives wisdom. He that wins souls is wise.. if your hurting, offending more than winning.. you have no wisdom..

 

[Dude653]

Not everyone is going to fall the Bible and that's their choice. If I got my underwear in a bunch everytime I saw someone doing something I didn't agree with I would be a miserable person. I live and mind my own business. That's between them and God. You'llfind life is a lot less stressful when you mind your own business.
I don't feel the need to openly condemn something with every breath I take.

 

[kaylagrl]

What many Christians fail to understand is there's a difference between believing and forcing others to believe as well.. not everyone is going to follow the Bible and that's their choice. Not my concern

No,not everyone is going to believe the Bible.But the Word says go into the highways and byways and compel them to come in! Not your concern?! I cannot believe a Christian would say that! That just blows my mind! No you cannot force a person,but we ought to do all we can,all in our power to see people saved.It is your concern,their blood is on our hands.

 

[Dude653]

No,not everyone is going to the Bible.But the Word says go into the highways and byways and compel them to come in! Not your concern?! I cannot believe a Christian would say that! That just blows my mind! No you cannot force a person,but we ought to do all we can,all in our power to see people saved.It is your concern,their blood is on our hands.

Let each man work out his OWN salvation through fear and trembling
I'm not responsible for anyone else's salvation. When you stand before God on Judgement Day he's not going to summon me and ask me what I have to say about it

 

[kaylagrl]

Let each man work out his OWN salvation through fear and trembling
I'm not responsible for anyone else's salvation. When you stand before God on Judgement Day he's not going to summon me and ask me what I have to say about it

You are misusing that verse Dude. Read the verse I just posted. Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. We are suppose to be soul winners. After a person is saved then,yes,work out their own salvation in fear and trembling.But we are to be soul winners. And yes,you will be held accountable on judgment day for what you did or did not do to spread the Good News. Why would you not want to share it?!

 

[kaylagrl]

Clearly Jesus gives wisdom. He that wins souls is wise.. if your hurting, offending more than winning.. you have no wisdom..

No,you shouldn't try to hurt people and beat them down with the Bible.On the other side of that coin if you tell a person they are in sin they will be offended,there is no way around that.The Bible says it is an offense and a stumbling block.John the Baptist offended the king when he called out his sin in public. But we are to tell the truth that some might awake from their sin and be saved.

 

[Dude653]

People always say why are you tolerating or whatever but I don't have the time or energy to get my underwear in a bunch every time I see someone doing something I don't agree with. That's between them and God. I just make sure I live my own life accordingly

 

[kaylagrl]

People always say why are you tolerating or whatever but I don't have the time or energy to get my underwear in a bunch every time I see someone doing something I don't agree with. That's between them and God. I just make sure I live my own life accordingly

Its as simple as this Dude,people are lost and in bondage to sin,they are headed for an eternity of suffering and darkness,you have the cure. Its not about getting anything in a bunch.Its about sharing the ANSWER which is what you and every Christian has been called to do. The world is in the shape its in because Christians are as in love with the world as sinners are.They've forgotten what they were saved from and that we are to be salt and light. Salt stings,and we are to share the truth to save at least some,even one,from a lost eternity.

 

[Zi]

How that's done is the key. You can't win someone that's not ripe in the field.

No,you shouldn't try to hurt people and beat them down with the Bible.On the other side of that coin if you tell a person they are in sin they will be offended,there is no way around that.The Bible says it is an offense and a stumbling block.John the Baptist offended the king when he called out his sin in public. But we are to tell the truth that some might awake from their sin and be saved.

 

[Zi]

God knows who is, and He sends His laborer to them.. not everyone

 

[Dude653]

How that's done is the key. You can't win someone that's not ripe in the field.

Threatening a non-believer with hell is like telling them you're going to summon Harry Potter or something. Just treat them with kindness and let them see God in you.
Some Evangelical types are aggressive and overbearing and that just pushes people further away.
Like those Jehovah's Witnesses who knock on your door. I guess their heart is in the right place but they can be annoying.

 

[kaylagrl]

How that's done is the key. You can't win someone that's not ripe in the field.

True,but one can plant the seed,another waters and so on. We do not know if or when that person may come to the Lord.My uncle was on his deathbed and none of his Christian family were near enough to be with him and witness to him one last time.But a Christian neighbor went to visit him. When my mother called to talk to him one last time she said "I hope I will see you in heaven the next time I see you". He said "you will,its all right now". We never lose hope,we never give up.You may be ministering to a person that the family has prayed for years would come to the Lord.