Christ-mass is Pagan.
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It's not that I have disdain about man creating High Days and placing Christ's name on it. What I think is irrelevant. I am not speaking from my own mind about this heathen practice of rejecting God's Instruction and creating their own..
For me it's about helping a brother see what God hates. What God disdains according to His Word. It's about what God's Word says, not men.
And His Word has specific examples of men, who claim the God of Abraham as their God, we created their own "Feasts unto the Lord".
Paul instructs in 1 Cor. 10.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Where is this warning written?
Ex. 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:
These people, who claimed the God of Abraham as their God, created an image of God in the likeness of something on earth, created from what they wanted to hear, ( earrings, not bracelets or rings) Then they created a "Feast unto this same Lord" they had created. God said they corrupted themselves in doing this.
God hated them for doing this.
9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
Today we have a Great Church that has created an image of God in the likeness of something on earth, a long haired handsome man. They have also created their own "Feast unto the Lord" to worship it they call Christmas.
Paul specifically warns not to do this and specifically references this Exodus example.
So it isn't about what man disdains, rather, I am warning about what the God you claim to Love has already said about the practice of creating your own god and your own feasts unto this god.
For me It's about the Word of God, no the judgment of man.
For me it's about helping a brother see what God hates. What God disdains according to His Word. It's about what God's Word says, not men.
And His Word has specific examples of men, who claim the God of Abraham as their God, we created their own "Feasts unto the Lord".
Paul instructs in 1 Cor. 10.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Where is this warning written?
Ex. 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:
These people, who claimed the God of Abraham as their God, created an image of God in the likeness of something on earth, created from what they wanted to hear, ( earrings, not bracelets or rings) Then they created a "Feast unto this same Lord" they had created. God said they corrupted themselves in doing this.
God hated them for doing this.
9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
Today we have a Great Church that has created an image of God in the likeness of something on earth, a long haired handsome man. They have also created their own "Feast unto the Lord" to worship it they call Christmas.
Paul specifically warns not to do this and specifically references this Exodus example.
So it isn't about what man disdains, rather, I am warning about what the God you claim to Love has already said about the practice of creating your own god and your own feasts unto this god.
For me It's about the Word of God, no the judgment of man.
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I didn't see it that way at all.. There's nothing wrong with "Christ mass". It's a mass of people who celebrate Christ's birth. 
And NOWHERE in the title OR any of his posts, has he said we should be ashamed for celebrating Christmas. He was actually referring to how we do or don't celebrate the holiday...
And NOWHERE in the title OR any of his posts, has he said we should be ashamed for celebrating Christmas. He was actually referring to how we do or don't celebrate the holiday...
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How would you know? From your vast travels to so many churches, and, of course, you made this all about America, so you have vast experience in American churches too?
Sorry, but you've already told of what you know of church, and it's not much knowledge you have. Then again, you think this is all about what everyone else does, without ever bringing up what you (don't) do, so this is very lame.
You're the guy that hides away from people because you live away from them and don't want to deal with anyone anyway. So church? To you church is just one place, and a place you don't like going to or interacting with anyone when you do go. You're laying this on everyone else's feet, when really your problems are worse. Not because you can't overcome them. Because you don't want to overcome them. Much easier to sound relevant than be relevant.
You're neither sounding nor being relevant, so you laid nothing at anyone else's feet.
Sorry, but you've already told of what you know of church, and it's not much knowledge you have. Then again, you think this is all about what everyone else does, without ever bringing up what you (don't) do, so this is very lame.
You're the guy that hides away from people because you live away from them and don't want to deal with anyone anyway. So church? To you church is just one place, and a place you don't like going to or interacting with anyone when you do go. You're laying this on everyone else's feet, when really your problems are worse. Not because you can't overcome them. Because you don't want to overcome them. Much easier to sound relevant than be relevant.
You're neither sounding nor being relevant, so you laid nothing at anyone else's feet.
Romans 14:22-23
[FONT="]22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
I like Christmas. I don't like spending so much money on gifts, though. I just wish more people would focus on Christ during this season so I don't feel like the legalist of the family.
But that's kind of the cool thing about Christmas. The rain falls on the just and the un-just alike. Some people celebrate Christmas completely oblivious to Christ. Some people celebrate the Feasts completely oblivious to Christ. The Lord will get their attention in His Time...[/FONT]
[FONT="]22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
I like Christmas. I don't like spending so much money on gifts, though. I just wish more people would focus on Christ during this season so I don't feel like the legalist of the family.
But that's kind of the cool thing about Christmas. The rain falls on the just and the un-just alike. Some people celebrate Christmas completely oblivious to Christ. Some people celebrate the Feasts completely oblivious to Christ. The Lord will get their attention in His Time...[/FONT]
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A cheerier living room. Memories from younger years. New memories. A warm feeling of family. A reminder of what the King of the Universe chose to go through to help his people. Empathy for those who have less. An unnecessary busyness. A yummy dinner, and probably a few things we shouldn't be eating. The comfort from love ones. Satisfaction.
Originally Posted by Dai3234
It's not Jesus birthday. But yes I see the point that it's the only "big" Christian time, but the gospel at Christmas is hardly ever told, the birth is.
I realise you might not.
I think Christ mass celebrate the birth of Christ.
But some say the birth of Christ is not Desember, December 25 was the birth of sun God, Satanic religion
and some say Roman catholic that move the date, and use It to celeberate Christ birth
I do not know why and what is the reason. Is that manipulation, and make people celeberate Sun God?
Similar thing happen, some say Rome religion worship Queen of heaven AS one of their Godes, than they call Mary AS queen Of heaven.
But some say the birth of Christ is not Desember, December 25 was the birth of sun God, Satanic religion
and some say Roman catholic that move the date, and use It to celeberate Christ birth
I do not know why and what is the reason. Is that manipulation, and make people celeberate Sun God?
Similar thing happen, some say Rome religion worship Queen of heaven AS one of their Godes, than they call Mary AS queen Of heaven.
Disclaimer: I've not studied Constantine nor prayed to ask his intentions.
I might suggest a reason other than a purposeful intent of paganizing the church. And that is an application of Bugs Bunny logic... "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"... or in this case, if you don't want to take the time to nurture them from error to truth and/or you don't want to offend them while trying to get them to join your cause/church then just find a way to justify what they are doing.
From what I understand, that's what was done by a particular church trying to whitewash an evil-spirit and death-worshipping celebration. In order for that church to NOT have to deal with what was going on...and also to not "turn off" potential converts... they simply declared the evening before it as "All-saints evening" aka "all hallowed even" aka "hallow e'en". That would allow that church to tell potential converts "Oh, you don't have to quit celebrating that day if you join us...we celebrate that day, too... just for different reasons...etc, etc."
Sound familiar?
P.S. Don't forget Easter Hasn't it seemed odd to anyone that all three of these 'church' holidays "just happen" to be on days confusable with non-church holidays?
I might suggest a reason other than a purposeful intent of paganizing the church. And that is an application of Bugs Bunny logic... "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"... or in this case, if you don't want to take the time to nurture them from error to truth and/or you don't want to offend them while trying to get them to join your cause/church then just find a way to justify what they are doing.
From what I understand, that's what was done by a particular church trying to whitewash an evil-spirit and death-worshipping celebration. In order for that church to NOT have to deal with what was going on...and also to not "turn off" potential converts... they simply declared the evening before it as "All-saints evening" aka "all hallowed even" aka "hallow e'en". That would allow that church to tell potential converts "Oh, you don't have to quit celebrating that day if you join us...we celebrate that day, too... just for different reasons...etc, etc."
Sound familiar?
P.S. Don't forget Easter
Hasn't it seemed odd to anyone that all three of these 'church' holidays "just happen" to be on days confusable with non-church holidays?