The King James Bible
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Perhaps God allowed the chapter divisions so a certain group would spend time studying about a Bible version rather than what is in it?
Imagine spending the majority of your time looking for conspiracies, numerical nonsense, Satan under every rock and in every other version.
This is why few of the KJVO crowd have much sound doctrine elsewhere, nor do they understand the Bible accurately for the most part, nor do most of them understand the Gospel thoroughly.
Why? They spend most of their time arguing about a version and looking for signs, conspiracies and demons and are hoodwinked by liars such as G. A. Riplinger. They are in fact ensnared to cultic thinking, and they speak more of Satan than of Christ. They get fired up when a "preacher" is speaking about the KJVOisms, but when that isn't the subject, and Christ is, they are not nearly as interested.
Imagine spending the majority of your time looking for conspiracies, numerical nonsense, Satan under every rock and in every other version.
This is why few of the KJVO crowd have much sound doctrine elsewhere, nor do they understand the Bible accurately for the most part, nor do most of them understand the Gospel thoroughly.
Why? They spend most of their time arguing about a version and looking for signs, conspiracies and demons and are hoodwinked by liars such as G. A. Riplinger. They are in fact ensnared to cultic thinking, and they speak more of Satan than of Christ. They get fired up when a "preacher" is speaking about the KJVOisms, but when that isn't the subject, and Christ is, they are not nearly as interested.
You've been shown the errors of your version numerous times, yet you cannot see. I'll put it like this, no person ever comes to the KJVOism understanding by God, reading Scripture, or the Holy Spirit. All of you, every single one in the cultic KJVO camp, have been hoodwinked by man made heresy. You would have never arrived at your conclusions without a deceived person leading you astray.
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
So has anyone considered giving God thanks that he at least reads his KJV? Where is the brotherly love on this subject?
While I agree it is unwise to go into all these computer computations about word sequencing but to blame it on the KJV seems pointless. If these other versions are not producing Christians that have a loving heart then I question the merit of those translations. Perhaps if you demonstrated love I would be encouraged to read different versions of the bible.
You can take virtually any translation and run it through enough computer matrixes and come up with something just a dubious as they have with the KJV. At the end of the day they are all translations without which we would need to learn ancient Hebrew and Greek. The Jews still argue over their Hebrew texts and they are reading them in the original manuscripts.
A heart that is right with God receives blessing from even the most menial of translations. It is not the translation but the Holy Spirit and the submission of the heart of man that is of greatest importance.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
While I agree it is unwise to go into all these computer computations about word sequencing but to blame it on the KJV seems pointless. If these other versions are not producing Christians that have a loving heart then I question the merit of those translations. Perhaps if you demonstrated love I would be encouraged to read different versions of the bible.
You can take virtually any translation and run it through enough computer matrixes and come up with something just a dubious as they have with the KJV. At the end of the day they are all translations without which we would need to learn ancient Hebrew and Greek. The Jews still argue over their Hebrew texts and they are reading them in the original manuscripts.
A heart that is right with God receives blessing from even the most menial of translations. It is not the translation but the Holy Spirit and the submission of the heart of man that is of greatest importance.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Use of the word “proof” in this context clearly indicates that you don't understand the concept. What you have is “evidence”, not “proof”. You may be convinced by it, and therefore consider it “proof” but that does not make it so for everyone.
There is a logical disconnect in your theory. Even if your arithmetic is sound, it does not, by itself, say anything about its origin. Fancy and convoluted arrangements of numbers do not necessarily point to God. There is no necessary causal connection between number patterns in text arrangements, and divine origin. Asserting that the complexity of the patterns must be divine does not prove it divine.
Further, for the point to be valid, the number arrangements would have to be present in the source material, primarily Hebrew and Greek. The problem is that there is no single source in either language for the KJV.
Here is a major problem with your theory. The King James version has many words added to the text that were not in the original languages. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:2, the word “unknown” was added. That fact completely undermines all validity of word counting. The translators added words, so any word-counting “evidence” is irrelevant. Printings of the KJV typically have “added” words italicized, so they are easy to identify. The chapter and verse counts have already been addressed, so we can consider those irrelevant.
This is a logical fallacy known as a burden of proof reversal. Simply put, the one who asserts something as fact has the full responsibility to prove it as fact. There is no responsibility of others to disprove it. Your assertions are merely that until you have proven them.
I have already demonstrated that your theory is invalid. There is no need to disprove it.
Of course these patterns are unique to the KJV. That's because the wording is different in other translations. This point is no proof of anything and actually undermines your argument. Again, what was not in the original languages is irrelevant in the KJV.
This is a perfect example of inconvenient truth. Let's just ignore the words that don't fit the pattern.
Which is why all your numerical patterns are merely interesting, but not proof in themselves. What you are claiming by this comment is that it wasn't the 1611 KJV that was inspired, but the 1769 Blayney revision of the KJV.
Using text in all capital letters is considered shouting. There is no need to shout; that is evidence only of your frustration.
This is an argument ad hominem... against the person. If your position is so solid, as you believe, there should be no need to denigrate people who believe differently.
People who believe that God's preservation of His word is in a manner different than the manner you hold to don't believe that He has not preserved His word. Please don't misrepresent the views of others to bolster your position. That is intellectual dishonesty.
There is a logical disconnect in your theory. Even if your arithmetic is sound, it does not, by itself, say anything about its origin. Fancy and convoluted arrangements of numbers do not necessarily point to God. There is no necessary causal connection between number patterns in text arrangements, and divine origin. Asserting that the complexity of the patterns must be divine does not prove it divine.
Further, for the point to be valid, the number arrangements would have to be present in the source material, primarily Hebrew and Greek. The problem is that there is no single source in either language for the KJV.
Here is a major problem with your theory. The King James version has many words added to the text that were not in the original languages. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:2, the word “unknown” was added. That fact completely undermines all validity of word counting. The translators added words, so any word-counting “evidence” is irrelevant. Printings of the KJV typically have “added” words italicized, so they are easy to identify. The chapter and verse counts have already been addressed, so we can consider those irrelevant.
This is a logical fallacy known as a burden of proof reversal. Simply put, the one who asserts something as fact has the full responsibility to prove it as fact. There is no responsibility of others to disprove it. Your assertions are merely that until you have proven them.
I have already demonstrated that your theory is invalid. There is no need to disprove it.
Of course these patterns are unique to the KJV. That's because the wording is different in other translations. This point is no proof of anything and actually undermines your argument. Again, what was not in the original languages is irrelevant in the KJV.
This is a perfect example of inconvenient truth. Let's just ignore the words that don't fit the pattern.
Which is why all your numerical patterns are merely interesting, but not proof in themselves. What you are claiming by this comment is that it wasn't the 1611 KJV that was inspired, but the 1769 Blayney revision of the KJV.
Using text in all capital letters is considered shouting. There is no need to shout; that is evidence only of your frustration.
This is an argument ad hominem... against the person. If your position is so solid, as you believe, there should be no need to denigrate people who believe differently.
People who believe that God's preservation of His word is in a manner different than the manner you hold to don't believe that He has not preserved His word. Please don't misrepresent the views of others to bolster your position. That is intellectual dishonesty.
Uh oh!! My rep is at 71. If it gets to 74...well, 74 is 37 x 2. I am doomed. 
Jesus Christ = 196 (7 x 7 x 4) times in KJB
son of man = 196 (7 x 7 x 4) times in KJB
book(s) = 196 (7 x 7 x 4) times JKJB
"Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." Hebrews 10:7
word = 196 (7 x 7 x 4) verses in the New Testament
What evidence do you have for this assertion?
Unless you are God, and I am certain you aren't, you have no idea either how this sounds in God's ears.
The whole point of this post is completely undermined by the fact that the KJV is in English, not Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Why? Because the people of 17th century England needed God's word in their own language. The English-speaking people of the 21st century need the word of God in their own language. 17th-century English is not 21st-century English!
Unless you are God, and I am certain you aren't, you have no idea either how this sounds in God's ears.
The whole point of this post is completely undermined by the fact that the KJV is in English, not Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Why? Because the people of 17th century England needed God's word in their own language. The English-speaking people of the 21st century need the word of God in their own language. 17th-century English is not 21st-century English!
I know math too... 3=1 and 1=3... That's the biblical pattern... Brother Glen
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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Here in the King James Bible Adam speaks exactly 46 words. 23 from the mom and 23 from the dad for a total 46 chromosomes. You can take this book literal.
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Here in the King James Bible Adam speaks exactly 46 words. 23 from the mom and 23 from the dad for a total 46 chromosomes. You can take this book literal.
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I know math too... 3=1 and 1=3... Brother Glen
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.