Sabbath

[Hizikyah]

and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

(2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
(A Presbyterian view)

lets take a look at those Scritures that you claim change the day:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made."

7th day as spoken by the Creator...

1 Corinthians 16:1-2, "And concerning the collections for the set-apart ones, you are to do as I gave orders to the assemblies of Galatia: Every day one of the week let each one of you set aside storing up whatever he is prospered, so that there are no collections when I come."

1st day a day for collection of money...

Acts 20:7, “On the first day (#G1520 heis) of the week (#G4521 sabbaton), when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.”



“first day” is word #G1520 - heis: one, Original Word: εἷς, μία, ἕν, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: heis, Phonetic Spelling: (hice), Short Definition: one, Definition: one.



“week” is word #G4521 sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week.

breaking bread ...sabbaton...

also they broke brea every day:


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 2:46[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]English Standard Version[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts,[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New American Standard Bible[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James Bible[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New International Version[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New Living Translation[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord's Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity--[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

He was heretic to anyone who does not adhere to what he said in his letter to Smyrnaeans .

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishopSee that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles;

Then again if you are Catholic you don't have issue with that. But if you are a protestant you should.

Again I say that is very interesting that you Ignatius of Antioch is a heretic. And what has being a Catholic or not got to do with the Lords day?

BTW I know what Ignatius of Antioch wrote He certainly defended the faith from heretics

 

[phil36]

lets take a look at those Scritures that you claim change the day:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made."

7th day as spoken by the Creator...

1 Corinthians 16:1-2, "And concerning the collections for the set-apart ones, you are to do as I gave orders to the assemblies of Galatia: Every day one of the week let each one of you set aside storing up whatever he is prospered, so that there are no collections when I come."

1st day a day for collection of money...

Acts 20:7, “On the first day (#G1520 heis) of the week (#G4521 sabbaton), when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.”



“first day” is word #G1520 - heis: one, Original Word: εἷς, μία, ἕν, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: heis, Phonetic Spelling: (hice), Short Definition: one, Definition: one.



“week” is word #G4521 sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week.

breaking bread ...sabbaton...

also they broke brea every day:


Acts 2:46



English Standard Version
And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts,



New American Standard Bible
Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,



King James Bible
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,



New International Version
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,



New Living Translation
They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord's Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity--

Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!

Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

(1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
(2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
(3) Rev 1:10.
(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
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Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

(1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
(2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.


WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)

 

[lightbearer]

Again I say that is very interesting that you Ignatius of Antioch is a heretic. And what has being a Catholic or not got to do with the Lords day?

So do you follow the Bishop like Christ followed the Father? If not, you are a heretic in the eyes of the Catholics. If you do then you are a heretic in the eyes of the protestants. Once again this is his teaching as shown in Chapter 8 in his letter to the Smyrnaeans. "Let nothing be done without the bishop See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles;..."

BTW I know what Ignatius of Antioch wrote He certainly defended the faith from heretics

That is what you seen on the internet. If you read any of his writings; like above and were protestant. You would see that he himself had issues with false doctrine. So the question is at this point is how much?

 

[phil36]

So do you follow the Bishop like Christ? If not, you are a heretic in the eyes of the Catholics. If you do then you are a heretic in the eyes of the protestants. Once again this is his teaching as shown in Chapter 8 in his letter to the Smyrnaeans. "Let nothing be done without the bishop See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles;..."

That is what you seen on the internet. If you read any of his writings; like above and were protestant. You would see that he himself had issues with false doctrine. So the question is at this point is how much?

Ignatius certainly wrote very well against heretics, you do know that right? And what has being Roman Catholic or not got to do with the 'Lords' day' . You do know that Ignatius was not roman Catholic there was no such thing then (tut tut).

Anyhow here is an article for you that is more accurate (not historically ignorant).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Ignatius-of-Antioch.html

Then I would suggest you get a good church history book.

 

[lightbearer]

Ignatius certainly wrote very well against heretics, you do know that right? And what has being Roman Catholic or not got to do with the 'Lords' day' . You do know that Ignatius was not roman Catholic there was no such thing then (tut tut).

No I don't believe he was. But it is a certainty that he is where the catholics get their following the Pope as Christ followed the Father. That is what he taught in his letter to the Smyrnaeans. "Let nothing be done without the bishop See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles;..."

Anyhow here is an article for you that is more accurate (not historically ignorant).

He taught false doctrine. His letter to the Smyrnaeans proves that. Unless you yourself follow the pope as Christ followed the Father.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Ignatius-of-Antioch.html

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That is your proof? A link that says what others say what he did rather than a link to his actual writings?

I will tell you what. I remain ignorant by reading his writings, while you read what other people wrote about him.

Have a nice evening phil.

 

[Hizikyah]

Ignatius certainly wrote very well against heretics, you do know that right? And what has being Roman Catholic or not got to do with the 'Lords' day' . You do know that Ignatius was not roman Catholic there was no such thing then (tut tut).

Anyhow here is an article for you that is more accurate (not historically ignorant).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Ignatius-of-Antioch.html

Then I would suggest you get a good church history book.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Anti Scriptural false doctrine of Ignatius;[/FONT]


“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. […] Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. […] Whatsoever [the bishop] shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.” (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Smyrnaeans; Ch 8)


“Let all things therefore be done by you with good order in Christ. Let the laity be subject to the deacons; the deacons to the presbyters; the presbyters to the bishop; the bishop to Christ, even as He is to the Father.” (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Smyrnaeans; Ch 9)


“It is becoming, therefore, that ye also should be obedient to your bishop, and contradict him in nothing; for it is a fearful thing to contradict any such person. For no one does [by such conduct] deceive him that is visible, but does [in reality] seek to mock Him that is invisible, who, however, cannot be mocked by any one. And every such act has respect not to man, but to God.” (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Magnesians; Ch 3)


“Some indeed give one the title of bishop, but do all things without him. Now such persons seem to me to be not possessed of a good conscience, seeing they are not stedfastly gathered together according to the commandment.” (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Magnesians; Ch 4)


“Wherefore it is fitting that ye also should run together in accordance with the will of the bishop who by God's appointment rules over you. Which thing ye indeed of yourselves do, being instructed by the Spirit. For your justly-renowned presbytery, being worthy of God, is fitted as exactly to the bishop as the strings are to the harp. Thus, being joined together in concord and harmonious love, of which Jesus Christ is the Captain and Guardian, do ye, man by man, become but one choir; so that, agreeing together in concord, and obtaining a perfect unity with God, ye may indeed be one in harmonious feeling with God the Father, and His beloved Son Jesus Christ our Lord.” (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Ephesians; Ch 4)


“It is therefore necessary that, as ye indeed do, so without the bishop ye should do nothing, but should also be subject to the presbytery, as to the apostle of Jesus Christ, who is our hope, in whom, if we live, we shall [at last] be found. It is fitting also that the deacons, as being [the ministers] of the mysteries of Jesus Christ, should in every respect be pleasing to all [...] let all reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the presbyters as the sanhedrin of God, and assembly of the apostles. Apart from these, there is no Church [...] he who does anything apart from the bishop, and presbytery, and deacons, such a man is not pure in his conscience.” (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Trallians; Chs 2-3, 7)

 

[preacher4truth]

But it is a certainty that he is where the catholics get their following the Pope as Christ followed the Father.

I thought the RCC got that from tradition and from a distorted view of Matthew 16:18?

What did Ignatius mean by these different offices? Roman Catholic Church hierarchy, or, something else?

 

[phil36]

No I don't believe he was. But it is a certainty that he is where the catholics get their following the Pope as Christ followed the Father. That is what he taught in his letter to the Smyrnaeans. "Let nothing be done without the bishop See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles;..."


He taught false doctrine. His letter to the Smyrnaeans proves that. Unless you yourself follow the pope as Christ followed the Father.

That is your proof? A link that says what others say what he did rather than a link to his actual writings?

I will tell you what. I remain ignorant by reading his writings, while you read what other people wrote about him.

Have a nice evening phil.

Hi Lightbearer,

Ignatius did not teach false doctrine. His writings are freely available online lol. But you certainly are ignorant regarding Ignatius.

Especially your view regarding his teaching on church hierarchy lol. The Roman Catholics use the teaching of Jesus does that mean Jesus is a heretic as well, or Peter, or paul? or is it their view of the teaching? Do you get the point??????

Anyhow what has being Catholic or not got to do with the 'Lords day'? Its a scriptural teaching, with early evidence from christians, oh and you do know its not just from Ignatius??

 

[LoveGodForever]

Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!
Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)
(1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
(2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
(3) Rev 1:10.
(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
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Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)
(1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
(2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.

WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)

This is for all who have not read it. This is the post the PHIL and His friends cannot respond to for those that have not read it that refutes the post above with scripture for those that may be interested post here for convenience point by point. Section 8 is only scripture referencing Exodus 20:8-11 which is the 4th commandment and did not need addressing as it does not apply to Sunday...............

Hello Phil,

Pointing all to the teachings or man over the Word of God is not a good practice to follow. Only in God's Word is truth and it is there that we must point all so they may find HIM who LOVES ALL so that we may KNOW HIM as HE KNOWS us. Let's have a look at what you have posted and compare it with scripture..............

Originally Posted by phil36
Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!

Here is the first mistake. You premise for your whole post is that the Sabbath simply means rest and nothing else.
God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is in reference to Genesis 2:1-3 let's look at both sets of the scripture starting with the 4th commandment..................

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt NOT DO ANY WORK, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, <WHY> For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. <References back to Genesis 2:1-3>

Some points to note from the scriptures..........

v8 We are to REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY to keep it HOLY. THE SABBATH IS A DAY it is the 7th day of the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3
v10 The scripture says the SABBATH is the 7th DAY of the WEEK
v11 The reason we are commanded to REMEMBER the 7th DAY of the WEEK is because this is the day God FINISHED CREATION and rested from all HIS WORK

Hebrew meaning of SABBATH in Exodus 20:8...........

H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest. 2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673] KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673

So clearly your premise is not correct in the beginning of your post that the Sabbath simply means rest. It is the 7th DAY of the week that we are to rest and cease from WORK according to the 4th commandment scripture which is supported by the Hebrew word meaning of Sabbath in Exodus 20:8.

Let's move to the origin of the Sabbath in Genesis which Exodus 20:11 is referencing.............

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

Once again Genesis 2:1-3 supports Exodus 20:8-11 that the Sabbath is referring to the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK not only a REST but the REST IS LINKED to the 7TH DAY which was part of the FINISHED WORK OF THE CREATION WEEK.

Questions:

Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!

Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with.

This is where everything in your post falls to pieces and the scriptures quoted in your post also do not support your post. Let's have a look at them. I moved the scriptures used to support each statement next to each statement for easy viewing............

Originally Posted by phil36
Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.

So straight of the back here (highlighted) the writer of your post says GOD has appointed ONE DAY in SEVEN for a SABBATH to be kept HOLY unto HIM.

Now lets look at what God says.....................

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God:

God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY. GOD DOES NOT ONE DAY IN SEVEN is for a SABBATH! This is what you get pointing people to the teachings of men that break the commandments of GOD. The other scriptures provided only support Exodus 20:8-11 above which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK.

Originally Posted by phil36
which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.

The writer is NOW claiming that the Resurrection of Jesus changed the 4th commandment which is to keep HOLY the 7TH DAY of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week. Let's look at this claim and the scriptures provided...............

Well we know right away that Genesis 2:2-3 does not support the writers statement because it is ONLY supporting the 7th DAY of the WEEK which is NOT Sunday the 1st day of the week so that scripture cannot be used in support of a change of day. Lets look at the rest of the scriptures........

1 Corinthians 16
1, Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2, Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

The chapter is talking about laying in store on the 1st day of the week because Paul was passing through on this time to collect offering for the ministry so he could pick them up on his way through. There is nothing in this whole chapter that says that God's 4th commandment which is the 7th DAY Sabbath has now been changed to Sunday. So once again this scripture does NOT support a Sabbath day change from the 7th Day of the Week to the 1st day.......

Next scripture used............

Acts 20
7, And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The disciples met and many different days of the week for different reasons. This chapter in context is about the disciples having a meal together because Paul was departing the next day. It say nothing about God's Sabbath being changed from the 7th Day of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week! Once again the scripture used does NOT support the claim that God changed His 4th commandment from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week.

Conclusion: there is not one scripture that is used that can support the writers claim that God's 4th commandments has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday. This is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow it we are NOT following God. (Matthew 15:3-9)

Originally Posted by phil36
which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day, (3) Rev 1:10.

Where does it say in the scriptures that Sunday is "The Lord's Day" Simple fact there is NO scripture that says that Sunday or the 1st day of the week is the Lords Day. What day does God's Word say is "The Lord's Day"? There are a few but only one is needed............

Matthew 12
8, For THE SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY.

Conclusion: There is NO scripture that says SUNDAY is the "LORDS DAY" God's Word says; "THE LORDS DAY" is the SABBATH DAY!

Originally Posted by phil36
and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.

Well that scripture is only quoting the 4th commandment and it's continuance which is the 7th DAY of the WEEK not Sunday.

CONCLUSION: the writer through scripture is building on SAND following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. The post as has been shown in this post does not follow God's Word and leads others away from God's WORD. Our only safety is in seeking Jesus for His truth personally. Call upon him and seek Him through HIs Word and he will reveal His Word to you if you with honest heart seek to serve HIM who loves all.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Seems that did not work out to well for you Phil........ You can only find the truth through God's Word. You will not find it in the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. UNBELIEVERS have NO PART in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. You only have today to seek HIM who LOVES ALL tomorrow may be to late.

Hope this help all those seeking the truth through the Word of God.

 

[phil36]

This is for all who have not read it. This is the post the PHIL and His friends cannot respond to for those that have not read it that refutes the post above with scripture for those that may be interested post here for convenience point by point. Section 8 is only scripture referencing Exodus 20:8-11 which is the 4th commandment and did not need addressing as it does not apply to Sunday...............

Hello Phil,

Pointing all to the teachings or man over the Word of God is not a good practice to follow. Only in God's Word is truth and it is there that we must point all so they may find HIM who LOVES ALL so that we may KNOW HIM as HE KNOWS us. Let's have a look at what you have posted and compare it with scripture..............



Here is the first mistake. You premise for your whole post is that the Sabbath simply means rest and nothing else.
God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is in reference to Genesis 2:1-3 let's look at both sets of the scripture starting with the 4th commandment..................

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt NOT DO ANY WORK, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, <WHY> For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. <References back to Genesis 2:1-3>

Some points to note from the scriptures..........

v8 We are to REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY to keep it HOLY. THE SABBATH IS A DAY it is the 7th day of the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3
v10 The scripture says the SABBATH is the 7th DAY of the WEEK
v11 The reason we are commanded to REMEMBER the 7th DAY of the WEEK is because this is the day God FINISHED CREATION and rested from all HIS WORK

Hebrew meaning of SABBATH in Exodus 20:8...........

H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest. 2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673] KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673

So clearly your premise is not correct in the beginning of your post that the Sabbath simply means rest. It is the 7th DAY of the week that we are to rest and cease from WORK according to the 4th commandment scripture which is supported by the Hebrew word meaning of Sabbath in Exodus 20:8.

Let's move to the origin of the Sabbath in Genesis which Exodus 20:11 is referencing.............

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

Once again Genesis 2:1-3 supports Exodus 20:8-11 that the Sabbath is referring to the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK not only a REST but the REST IS LINKED to the 7TH DAY which was part of the FINISHED WORK OF THE CREATION WEEK.

Questions:

Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!

Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with.

This is where everything in your post falls to pieces and the scriptures quoted in your post also do not support your post. Let's have a look at them. I moved the scriptures used to support each statement next to each statement for easy viewing............



So straight of the back here (highlighted) the writer of your post says GOD has appointed ONE DAY in SEVEN for a SABBATH to be kept HOLY unto HIM.

Now lets look at what God says.....................

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God:

God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY. GOD DOES NOT ONE DAY IN SEVEN is for a SABBATH! This is what you get pointing people to the teachings of men that break the commandments of GOD. The other scriptures provided only support Exodus 20:8-11 above which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK.



The writer is NOW claiming that the Resurrection of Jesus changed the 4th commandment which is to keep HOLY the 7TH DAY of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week. Let's look at this claim and the scriptures provided...............

Well we know right away that Genesis 2:2-3 does not support the writers statement because it is ONLY supporting the 7th DAY of the WEEK which is NOT Sunday the 1st day of the week so that scripture cannot be used in support of a change of day. Lets look at the rest of the scriptures........

1 Corinthians 16
1, Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2, Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

The chapter is talking about laying in store on the 1st day of the week because Paul was passing through on this time to collect offering for the ministry so he could pick them up on his way through. There is nothing in this whole chapter that says that God's 4th commandment which is the 7th DAY Sabbath has now been changed to Sunday. So once again this scripture does NOT support a Sabbath day change from the 7th Day of the Week to the 1st day.......

Next scripture used............

Acts 20
7, And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The disciples met and many different days of the week for different reasons. This chapter in context is about the disciples having a meal together because Paul was departing the next day. It say nothing about God's Sabbath being changed from the 7th Day of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week! Once again the scripture used does NOT support the claim that God changed His 4th commandment from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week.

Conclusion: there is not one scripture that is used that can support the writers claim that God's 4th commandments has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday. This is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow it we are NOT following God. (Matthew 15:3-9)



Where does it say in the scriptures that Sunday is "The Lord's Day" Simple fact there is NO scripture that says that Sunday or the 1st day of the week is the Lords Day. What day does God's Word say is "The Lord's Day"? There are a few but only one is needed............

Matthew 12
8, For THE SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY.

Conclusion: There is NO scripture that says SUNDAY is the "LORDS DAY" God's Word says; "THE LORDS DAY" is the SABBATH DAY!



Well that scripture is only quoting the 4th commandment and it's continuance which is the 7th DAY of the WEEK not Sunday.

CONCLUSION: the writer through scripture is building on SAND following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. The post as has been shown in this post does not follow God's Word and leads others away from God's WORD. Our only safety is in seeking Jesus for His truth personally. Call upon him and seek Him through HIs Word and he will reveal His Word to you if you with honest heart seek to serve HIM who loves all.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Seems that did not work out to well for you Phil........ You can only find the truth through God's Word. You will not find it in the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. UNBELIEVERS have NO PART in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. You only have today to seek HIM who LOVES ALL tomorrow may be to late.

Hope this help all those seeking the truth through the Word of God.

Heres your answers

Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

(1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
(2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
(3) Rev 1:10.
(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
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Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

(1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
(2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.


WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)

 

[Hizikyah]

Heres your answers

Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)

(1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
(2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
(3) Rev 1:10.
(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
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Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)

(1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
(2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.

WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)

you keep posting this doctrine of men over and over, I just realized what it is: Westminster Confession of Faith

I will found my belief on the testimony of the Creator to be my confession of faith

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

Mark 2:27, "And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart." Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה your Strength. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.”

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”


Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."




Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."




Mat 24:20, “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day.”


Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

 

[phil36]

you keep posting this doctrine of men over and over, I just realized what it is: Westminster Confession of Faith

I will found my belief on the testimony of the Creator to be my confession of faith

Hi Hizikyah,

You can't even get the name of Jesus correct. You keep substituting it with a false name, which if others where to do that you would call them Blasphemers..!

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,

You can't even get the name of Jesus correct. You keep substituting it with a false name, which if others where to do that you would call them Blasphemers..!

when have I ever attacked some one verbally for saying a differnt name than I do?

 

[phil36]

when have I ever attacked some one verbally for saying a differnt name than I do?

I said 'IF'.

So why do you substitute a false name for Jesus, you have been called out about this by a few now. It really does border on blasphemy. You keep making up the name Yahshua, when that name does not exist for Jesus.

 

[Hizikyah]

I said 'IF'.

So why do you substitute a false name for Jesus, you have been called out about this by a few now. It really does border on blasphemy. You keep making up the name Yahshua, when that name does not exist for Jesus.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 9:8-10, “Do not reprove a scoffer, lest he hate you; Reprove a wise one, and he loves you. Give instruction to a wise one, and he is wiser still; Teach a righteous one, and he increases in learning. The fear of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Set-apart One is understanding.”[/FONT]​

 

[phil36]

Proverbs 9:8-10, “Do not reprove a scoffer, lest he hate you; Reprove a wise one, and he loves you. Give instruction to a wise one, and he is wiser still; Teach a righteous one, and he increases in learning. The fear of יהוה is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Set-apart One is understanding.”​

lol Taking the holier that thou route won't cut it. It has been proven time and time again that you use a false name for Jesus. That really borders on Blasphemy...

 

[JaumeJ]

It seems anyone who loves Jesus Christ and has studied His Word is "holier than thou" in your esteem, dear judge.

Now this is a very strange twist of events since what Hiz is sharing with all is from the Word...... So those who love Yeshua re damned by you if they paraphraqse and damned by you if they support what they say with the Word, or if they do not do either.

Who here is holier than thour?

lol Taking the holier that thou route won't cut it. It has been proven time and time again that you use a false name for Jesus. That really borders on Blasphemy...

 

[beta]

lol Taking the holier that thou route won't cut it. It has been proven time and time again that you use a false name for Jesus. That really borders on Blasphemy...

Hi phil, this is an honest question....do you actually believe that 'JESUS' was His 'REAL' name ?

 

[JaumeJ]

It took me a while to see this thismorning. My caps come and go due to my near blindness, but do not worry, I see quite well in the manner important.
If you are passing your knowledge off to me and other without actually being certain of your recollection you have declared yourself untrustworthy.

Generally when I post it is what I know and remember and undertand, never what I thin is possibly correct due to my own faulty memory.

When you address me, and I feel I need to rush, oft times caps show up, but the letters are there with typos it is certain. God bless you.

My memory about the name of the Latin Old Testament Jesus read from might be incorrect but that doesn't change how we get the word Jehovah from YHWH. It is a red herring issue in this regard. Try refuting the language translation through Hebrew to Latin to English. No more red herrings please.