Interracial relationships;the bold step in our time

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seoulsearch

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To my knowledge Moses died a virgin. I could not find any biblical or historical accounts of Moses getting married. Also Moses was a mere human and a heathen, even a murderer at times. Whatever it is he did, I do not follow Moses.
I am sincerely curious... Do you read or study the Bible at all?

Moses had a wife, Zipporah, and his father-in-law was Jethro (Exodus 2:21) and had, at least, sons who were mentioned as well (Exodus 18:2.)

He DID murder an Egyptian for beating a fellow Israelite, but he is also a great example that God can call and use anyone. (I don't know if you are familiar with Paul, from the New Testament, who had many Christians killed before his own conversion to Christ.)

If you haven't read Moses' story from the original source, you might want to give it a read. :) It's pretty fascinating.
 
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Dino246

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Zombie thread, I know, but I do have a relevant BDF-themed comment...

The only inter-racial relationship strongly discouraged (prohibited?) in Scripture is marriage between a child of the King and a child of darkness. In other words, if you are a Christian, don't marry a non-Christian.

The other instances noted in the Old Testament were context-specific and don't apply to us today.
 
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I think the aversion to interracial marriages was stemmed from how people interpreted the Bible, and it happened more when the slaves were brought as a justification as to why they didn't want it. In the Bible, the verses to justify their claim, even though it was misinterpreted is 2 Corinthians 6:14 which talks about being unequally yoked, Deuteronomy 7:1-6 which talks about marrying folks who served other Gods, Numbers 12:1-15 punished Miriam and Aaron for speaking against Moses who married an Ethopian woman...There are more..but these are good places to start reading when you are in an interracial relationship and someone is deterring you from it. As long as you both believe in God, it is allowed. Believing in God is crucial...Let's say if one does and one doesn't??? Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3
 
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kaylagrl

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Moses died a virgin rofl, too much,lol lol lol
 
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Galatea

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Someone is late to the party. Biracial relationships have been accepted for at least 20 years where I live (deep South). Found out that Prince Harry is engaged to Meghan Markle. The thing that surprises me is she is an American, not that she is biracial.
 

Dino246

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It is easier for the rest of us to see to what you're saying "Amen" if you use the "Reply With Quote" button at the bottom-right corner of a post. If you want to respond to up to three different posts, click the right-most button with the + sign on each, then click "Reply With Quote". :)
 

Dino246

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Someone is late to the party. Biracial relationships have been accepted for at least 20 years where I live (deep South). Found out that Prince Harry is engaged to Meghan Markle. The thing that surprises me is she is an American, not that she is biracial.
... and divorced. Edward VIII over again. However, Harry is far down the line for the throne, so it's less of an issue.
 
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I think the aversion to interracial marriages was stemmed from how people interpreted the Bible, and it happened more when the slaves were brought as a justification as to why they didn't want it. In the Bible, the verses to justify their claim, even though it was misinterpreted is 2 Corinthians 6:14 which talks about being unequally yoked, Deuteronomy 7:1-6 which talks about marrying folks who served other Gods, Numbers 12:1-15 punished Miriam and Aaron for speaking against Moses who married an Ethopian woman...There are more..but these are good places to start reading when you are in an interracial relationship and someone is deterring you from it. As long as you both believe in God, it is allowed. Believing in God is crucial...Let's say if one does and one doesn't??? Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3
You cannot disagree and be in the perfect will of God if it is pertaining to Him.
 

Amroth

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Being a Australian born Chinese myself, I have had qualms about certain interracial relationships, especially when I believe that certain traditions and customs may not end up being respected or understood. This is especially the case when the dominant culture in the society is represented in one of the people in the marriage. This may lead to a marginalisation of the other cultural side.

Now of course if there is enough communications and mutual understanding no fallout based on traditions and culture need happen.

Now as a Christian I believe that ultimately it does not matter, however to me it would seem that many enter interracial relationships without much consideration of the differences in culture. Now of course you might say if they don't care about that it's fine, but if it's the dominant culture that always takes hold, the partner that holds to a more minority culture might be walking unawares into a marriage where they will unwittingly find that their cultural expressions might come at odds.

To clarify , I am talking about this as a second-generation kid living in a "Western" society where many of its norms disagree with me just being Chinese (now I am not saying that Chinese culture is better in any way, there are plenty of bad points about it, but there are also good points to it, like the respect for elders).

Conclusively, I am not saying interracial relationships should not happen - but rather when they do, couples do need to think carefully and prayerfully about how they are to address the differences in cultures.

Though as a restriction to my claim is if they are of the fourth to fifth generation in the same country the individuals might virtually be cultured in the same way .... I am more talking about immigrants, the second-generation, and individuals with a strong cultural tradition (and this of course depends on the family).

Thanks for reading! Hopefully I don't get too much backlash (I know this might come off as cultural supremacy, but if it does come off to be so I had no intention to do so - but you might judge me to be so anyways).
 

Lynx

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Not true. Our species is human, our race is our race. Race has been defined and has many many scientific differences between races. Further more its proven that biracial children suffer many ailments and weaker immunities and chemical systems than non mixed children. Studies also show a lower childhood happiness rate and dramatically lower adult success rate. And Filipino is a type of Asian.

I am sure many weak minds will twist what I am saying into "Everybody lets be racist." But it is simple fact to counter false teachings. Races do in fact exist, and mixing them does the same damage it does when you mix any breed of dog or any other animal. Their genetics slowly deteriorate over generation.
Weaker? Really? You've never heard of hybrid vigor? Even among canines it is a proven fact mutts are healthier than purebred.

You might want to check your facts before you spout them. I have a mutt (part australian shepherd, part something else I haven't figured out yet, part sneaky neighbor's dog) and all the people I know are mutts (scotch, irish, british, puerto rican, asian, a few drops of native american) and I can tell you for a fact hybrids are much healthier than purebred.
 

seoulsearch

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Not true. Our species is human, our race is our race. Race has been defined and has many many scientific differences between races. Further more its proven that biracial children suffer many ailments and weaker immunities and chemical systems than non mixed children. Studies also show a lower childhood happiness rate and dramatically lower adult success rate. And Filipino is a type of Asian.

I am sure many weak minds will twist what I am saying into "Everybody lets be racist." But it is simple fact to counter false teachings. Races do in fact exist, and mixing them does the same damage it does when you mix any breed of dog or any other animal. Their genetics slowly deteriorate over generation.
Interesting.

You are aware then, that Moses, a Jew, married a black (Cushite) woman?

Do you believe that unions like this, then, have led to some sort of genetic breakdown among the races? (I don't believe this at all, seeing as my entire family is mixed and some of their children are in the most advanced, gifted programs available), but I am interested in your opinions.

I really wonder how many people today are actually racially pure (after all, every human race originated from two human beings... and then eight people after The Flood.)

I have a close friend who was quite prejudice against Race X... and then he found out that something like 3 or 4 generations back, one of his blood relatives was a member of that race, meaning that he was biologically part of this race he harbored ill feelings towards as well.

It resulted in a rather interesting case of (racial) identity crisis.
To my knowledge Moses died a virgin. I could not find any biblical or historical accounts of Moses getting married. Also Moses was a mere human and a heathen, even a murderer at times. Whatever it is he did, I do not follow Moses. I also do not hate other races like your friend so the example is not relevant to me.
I just now noticed that you had added this last sentence to your post...

I wanted to clarify that I was in no way trying to imply that you hate other races, and apologize if it was taken that way.

The entire point I was trying to make is that in order for you to make your statement that races should not be mixed because they will produce inferior genetics, I am guessing that you might possibly believe your own self to be racially "pure" and of only one singular, isolated race?

The reason I brought up my friend is because he spent an entire lifetime believing and proclaiming that Race X was (fill in stereotypical characteristics here.)

And then he found out that something like his great-great-great-grandmother... Was a member of Race X, and since he is blood related to her, he is, in part at least, a member of Race X as well.

My entire point is that very few people today are "racially pure", and so, in accordance with your theory that races must be kept pure in order to produce the best genetics, would it even be possible to maintain "pure", "untainted" races in order to avoid the supposed inferior characteristics that you spoke of?

You also stated that mixed children suffer more ailments, are unhappier and less successful, etc.

While it's possible that genetics could play a part, I think the fact that many biracial children face vast amounts of prejudice and social oppositions unique to their situation must also be mentioned. It is not, in any way, an excuse, but is definitely a component that can have just as much, if not more, of an effect on a person than genetics.
 
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Found out that Prince Harry is engaged to Meghan Markle. The thing that surprises me is she is an American, not that she is biracial.
That's what surprised me the most too. I'm unsure as to why he didn't establish a life with a girl that was home grown so to speak, and instead chose an alternative.
 
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I don't see any backlash for cultural supremacy unless others don't understand where you are coming from. I do understand. Too me, you have done an excellent job in explaining what you meant. However, if you are both in and respect God, there will be time to appropriately express your cultural differences as long as it honors God. I come from a Baskins & Robbins type of family. I am almost everything in my blood. It is an honor that God placed me in my family because I can understand each part of me. I have East Indian, West Indian, English and Spanish blood running through my vains. So, that is the Asia, Jamaica/Bahamas, White and Spanish....God has me this way because he figures I can reach His people. I get over-joyous when I meet others that God wants to use in this awesome capacity.
 
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Galatea

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That's what surprised me the most too. I'm unsure as to why he didn't establish a life with a girl that was home grown so to speak, and instead chose an alternative.
Harry seems to be rebellious. Perhaps an American wife is a way to rebel. I wonder if he was drawn to an actress since she is in the public eye, and he has always lived in the public eye, so wanted a woman who could handle the problems of living in a fish bowl.
 
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Galatea

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... and divorced. Edward VIII over again. However, Harry is far down the line for the throne, so it's less of an issue.
Camilla is a divorcee, so I think divorce is no longer an issue. If Charles would have been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, he might have had a happier married life, but he would not have William and Harry.
 
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That's what surprised me the most too. I'm unsure as to why he didn't establish a life with a girl that was home grown so to speak, and instead chose an alternative.
Honestly, considering how that family is controlled and scrutinized, I don't blame Harry for looking elsewhere for a relationship.
 
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Harry seems to be rebellious. Perhaps an American wife is a way to rebel.
The last thing I anticipated Prince Harry chosing was a biracial, american actress divorcee who doesn't come from a conservative family background. Not especially so, when you consider his own familial heritage.
 
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Galatea

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The last thing I anticipated Prince Harry chosing was a biracial, american actress divorcee who doesn't come from a conservative family background. Not especially so, when you consider his own familial heritage.
I don’t know her as an actress, I wonder if she will continue working. That would be interesting. She seems well spoken and poised. I don’t really know anything about her, but from what I’ve seen the last few days, she dresses modestly and not trashy.
 

melita916

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i'm hispanic. my husband is white. there is a language barrier between my parents and him, but both sides do their best in communicating. i love seeing them communicate. and of course, i'm there to translate. :eek: