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I am 67 years old. The first “job” I was employed to do; took out of my paycheck the following;
Social Security & Medicare taxes
What was left was/is the “money” I can spend wherever I choose; As in “cash”
As one recipient of Social Security benefits I can say, “Thank You” for sending me money to spend as I choose For the rest of my life.,.
Even if I live to one hundred and ten years (110)…,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,,,,………….,,.,.,.,.
After all it was/is always was my money
In the first place
Thank you
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Social Security & Medicare taxes
What was left was/is the “money” I can spend wherever I choose; As in “cash”
As one recipient of Social Security benefits I can say, “Thank You” for sending me money to spend as I choose For the rest of my life.,.
Even if I live to one hundred and ten years (110)…,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,,,,………….,,.,.,.,.
After all it was/is always was my money
In the first place
Thank you
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If you choose to, cut and copy this to your desk top and praise God with music while you work at your computer. 3hrs of free Christmas music. Miss you'all, I'm making good progress, "after the fall" -- an old tune, sounds familiar.
God bless!
Peaceful and Relaxing Instrumental - GUITAR CHRISTMAS MUSIC
If you choose to, cut and copy this to your desk top and praise God with music while you work at your computer. 3hrs of free Christmas music. Miss you'all, I'm making good progress, "after the fall" -- an old tune, sounds familiar.
God bless!
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True, but how many people claim to be believers and continue to commit the same sin over and over and over and over again? You say, and are most certainly correct, that those who love to sin and continually do it are NOT believers. Yet how many claim to be Believers and continue to do it? Many are on the wide and easy Path, but a very few are on the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting.
Just because they repent does not mean they are forgiven. Anyone can repent. But it is only a Godly sorrow for a particular sin that is forgiven.
A person who commits adultery, afterwards repents. The next night that person commits adultery, and again repents, and this person commits adultery continually without ceasing to commit adultery, and every single time that person repents. This person is NOT forgiven of Adultery, because if they were Truly sorry (a Godly sorrow) they would cease to ever do it again. ONLY then when they repent are they forgiven. To repent of a sin, is to repent and turn away from that sin, NOT continue to live in that sin.
A man comes home and beats his wife, afterwards he repents. The next day he comes home and beats his wife, again he repents of it. This he does every night 365 days a years, comes home from work, and beats his wife and afterwards repents. Tell me how sorry is this man for beating his wife? This man is not forgiven even though he continually repents of it.
A man commits fornication, and afterwards, he goes to God in prayer and says "God forgive me, i will never do it again" and never does it again.
A man commits fornication, and afterwards, he goes to God in prayer and says "God forgive me" and continues to commit fornication.
i tell you the first is forgiven of fornication, and the second is not forgiven even though he repented.
A believer may commit a sin, but repents and asks for forgiveness. Holy Spirit is in charge, and He is awake and alert, and watchful, and is grieved. The Holy Ghost was prompting that person NOT to commit that sin, that person chose NOT to listen to the awake and alert and watchful Holy Spirit of God telling them NOT to obey satan and commit sin, and therefore that same Holy Ghost becomes grieved when that person does not listen, but rather chooses to please self and commit sin.
Thank you, and God Bless you as well, what an encouraging thing to say.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Just because they repent does not mean they are forgiven. Anyone can repent. But it is only a Godly sorrow for a particular sin that is forgiven.
A person who commits adultery, afterwards repents. The next night that person commits adultery, and again repents, and this person commits adultery continually without ceasing to commit adultery, and every single time that person repents. This person is NOT forgiven of Adultery, because if they were Truly sorry (a Godly sorrow) they would cease to ever do it again. ONLY then when they repent are they forgiven. To repent of a sin, is to repent and turn away from that sin, NOT continue to live in that sin.
A man comes home and beats his wife, afterwards he repents. The next day he comes home and beats his wife, again he repents of it. This he does every night 365 days a years, comes home from work, and beats his wife and afterwards repents. Tell me how sorry is this man for beating his wife? This man is not forgiven even though he continually repents of it.
A man commits fornication, and afterwards, he goes to God in prayer and says "God forgive me, i will never do it again" and never does it again.
A man commits fornication, and afterwards, he goes to God in prayer and says "God forgive me" and continues to commit fornication.
i tell you the first is forgiven of fornication, and the second is not forgiven even though he repented.
A believer may commit a sin, but repents and asks for forgiveness. Holy Spirit is in charge, and He is awake and alert, and watchful, and is grieved. The Holy Ghost was prompting that person NOT to commit that sin, that person chose NOT to listen to the awake and alert and watchful Holy Spirit of God telling them NOT to obey satan and commit sin, and therefore that same Holy Ghost becomes grieved when that person does not listen, but rather chooses to please self and commit sin.
Thank you, and God Bless you as well, what an encouraging thing to say.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i teach (above everything else) to Love One Another. This you disagree with?
i teach to stop obeying satan and that with Jesus it is possible to do. This you disagree with?
i teach to hate sinning, and obey God. This you disagree with?
Tell me, if the Holy Ghost gives the gift of preaching to a person who says "I am a preacher" This is OK with you, right?
If the Holy Ghost gives the gift of teaching to a person who says "I am a teacher" This is OK with you as well, right?
If the Holy Ghost gives the gift of healing to a person who says "I am a healer" This too is acceptable with you, right?
But let the Holy Ghost give the gift of prophesy to a person who says "I am a prophet" This is a reason to take up stones, right?
HYPOCRITES. Its OK to say your a preacher, teacher, or healer, all gifts from the Holy Ghost, but let a person say they are a prophet and watch how many people take up stones to cast at that person. God is not pleased with this Hypocrisy. If a person has a gift of prophecy should not say they are a prophet, then those who have a gift of preaching should not say they are a preacher either, then those who have the gift of teaching should not say they are a teacher.
Or If a person says they are preacher because the Holy Ghost gave them the gift of preaching, and that is OK, then it likewise should be OK to say they are a prophet if the Holy Ghost gave them the gift of prophesy.
For a person to pick and choose which gifts are acceptable to self proclaim and which ones are not, is not of God, but is of confusion, causing nothing but strife and contention.
Where in Scriptures does it say it is an evil thing for a person to say they are prophet because the Holy Ghost has given them the gift of prophesy? Can you find where that is evil. satan says it is evil. what do you say?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i teach to stop obeying satan and that with Jesus it is possible to do. This you disagree with?
i teach to hate sinning, and obey God. This you disagree with?
Tell me, if the Holy Ghost gives the gift of preaching to a person who says "I am a preacher" This is OK with you, right?
If the Holy Ghost gives the gift of teaching to a person who says "I am a teacher" This is OK with you as well, right?
If the Holy Ghost gives the gift of healing to a person who says "I am a healer" This too is acceptable with you, right?
But let the Holy Ghost give the gift of prophesy to a person who says "I am a prophet" This is a reason to take up stones, right?
HYPOCRITES. Its OK to say your a preacher, teacher, or healer, all gifts from the Holy Ghost, but let a person say they are a prophet and watch how many people take up stones to cast at that person. God is not pleased with this Hypocrisy. If a person has a gift of prophecy should not say they are a prophet, then those who have a gift of preaching should not say they are a preacher either, then those who have the gift of teaching should not say they are a teacher.
Or If a person says they are preacher because the Holy Ghost gave them the gift of preaching, and that is OK, then it likewise should be OK to say they are a prophet if the Holy Ghost gave them the gift of prophesy.
For a person to pick and choose which gifts are acceptable to self proclaim and which ones are not, is not of God, but is of confusion, causing nothing but strife and contention.
Where in Scriptures does it say it is an evil thing for a person to say they are prophet because the Holy Ghost has given them the gift of prophesy? Can you find where that is evil. satan says it is evil. what do you say?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
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For me the issue is not a particular sin(s) that a believer may struggle with. If they struggle with it and know it's wrong and keep bringing it before God and ask for help then they do not love it.
To me there is a cause and affect.
The cause needs to be dealt with.
When it is then the affect is dealt with.
To me there is a cause and affect.
The cause needs to be dealt with.
When it is then the affect is dealt with.
True, but we are NEVER to cease Loving One another, and that is nothing but works.
Works can't, nor ever will SAVE a person.
But once a person is SAVED, they will have many Good works because Jesus lives inside of them.
Oh how easy is it for this generation to claim works are evil and wicked, because they have, nor desire to do, any works. They will not help the wounded on the other side of the road, because they entered into His rest and ceased from their own labors. Therefore they now have an excuse NOT to help that person, NOT to love that person.
Know you not that giving to the poor, feeding the needy, helping people, giving to charities are all works?
If i were a betting man, i would bet those who yell the loudest against Works, are they that have none.
i feed the needy, i help people, i give to Charities, i give money to CC every month, i donate food, i donate clothing, i give to every bum on the corner that i come across, i help anyone who asks me for help if i am able to do so. What then? i do all that to get Saved? God forbid NO. Do i do all that to try to earn my way into Heaven? God forbid NO. Do i do all that to remain SAVED? God forbid NO. Do i do all that to keep my Salvation? God forbid NO. i do all that because Jesus lives inside of me, and i have compassion for people, i love people, i help people. All these good works has NOTHING to do with Salvation, but everything to do with Him that lives in me.
Woe to this generation who mocks those who have good works, saying things like "OH look at that person, trying to earn his/her way into Heaven by their works, pathetic" and many such things they say about those who have many good works, How will they escape the wrath of God when it comes upon the Earth?
i never teach works for Salvation, i never taught works can save you, i never taught anywhere works for Salvation. Yet look how many people accuse me of teaching such things, they do not have any part of the TRUTH which i teach, reprobate minds. Woe to those who have no works at all, and still claim that Jesus lives inside them. If Jesus truly lived inside you, you would not NOT be able to have many works. Because Jesus Loves, and He was so full of Good works that what He did all the books in the world could not contain. But let this generation who is devoid of Christ living them, proclaim that Jesus is in them, yet the proof is in their works. Know you not that it is your works that reveal who you serve?
Those who continue to live in sin and have no works at all, is evident that Christ does not live in that person.
If Christ lives in you, you will have so many good works and because He lives in you, no matter what good works you do, it is not going to be enough.
Works for Salvation = Ignorance
Works to keep Salvation = Ignorance
Works to earn Salvation = Ignorance
Claim Jesus is in you but have no works = Ignorance
Works, whether Good or evil is determined by motive.
If a person does a good work to be Saved, remain Saved, Earn Saved, is an evil work.
If a person does a good work because they are full of Love for the one they are doing the work for, is a Good Work and it pleases God. Know you not that it is written if you do it to the least of these you do it to Jesus Christ.
Want to give Jesus something for Christmas, then give to the homeless, give to the needy, give to the poor, just give. Then you are, according to the Word of God, giving to Jesus.j
When you don't give to the homeless, don't give to the needy, don't give to the poor, don't give. Then you are, according to the Word of God, NOT giving to Jesus. Woe to those who are full of "NO WORKS" because they claim to be resting in Him and are now free from any labour. True those who do not like to give would indeed feel like it was labour to do so. But those who have Christ living in them, can't seem to give enough. Woe to this wicked and perverse generation.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Works can't, nor ever will SAVE a person.
But once a person is SAVED, they will have many Good works because Jesus lives inside of them.
Oh how easy is it for this generation to claim works are evil and wicked, because they have, nor desire to do, any works. They will not help the wounded on the other side of the road, because they entered into His rest and ceased from their own labors. Therefore they now have an excuse NOT to help that person, NOT to love that person.
Know you not that giving to the poor, feeding the needy, helping people, giving to charities are all works?
If i were a betting man, i would bet those who yell the loudest against Works, are they that have none.
i feed the needy, i help people, i give to Charities, i give money to CC every month, i donate food, i donate clothing, i give to every bum on the corner that i come across, i help anyone who asks me for help if i am able to do so. What then? i do all that to get Saved? God forbid NO. Do i do all that to try to earn my way into Heaven? God forbid NO. Do i do all that to remain SAVED? God forbid NO. Do i do all that to keep my Salvation? God forbid NO. i do all that because Jesus lives inside of me, and i have compassion for people, i love people, i help people. All these good works has NOTHING to do with Salvation, but everything to do with Him that lives in me.
Woe to this generation who mocks those who have good works, saying things like "OH look at that person, trying to earn his/her way into Heaven by their works, pathetic" and many such things they say about those who have many good works, How will they escape the wrath of God when it comes upon the Earth?
i never teach works for Salvation, i never taught works can save you, i never taught anywhere works for Salvation. Yet look how many people accuse me of teaching such things, they do not have any part of the TRUTH which i teach, reprobate minds. Woe to those who have no works at all, and still claim that Jesus lives inside them. If Jesus truly lived inside you, you would not NOT be able to have many works. Because Jesus Loves, and He was so full of Good works that what He did all the books in the world could not contain. But let this generation who is devoid of Christ living them, proclaim that Jesus is in them, yet the proof is in their works. Know you not that it is your works that reveal who you serve?
Those who continue to live in sin and have no works at all, is evident that Christ does not live in that person.
If Christ lives in you, you will have so many good works and because He lives in you, no matter what good works you do, it is not going to be enough.
Works for Salvation = Ignorance
Works to keep Salvation = Ignorance
Works to earn Salvation = Ignorance
Claim Jesus is in you but have no works = Ignorance
Works, whether Good or evil is determined by motive.
If a person does a good work to be Saved, remain Saved, Earn Saved, is an evil work.
If a person does a good work because they are full of Love for the one they are doing the work for, is a Good Work and it pleases God. Know you not that it is written if you do it to the least of these you do it to Jesus Christ.
Want to give Jesus something for Christmas, then give to the homeless, give to the needy, give to the poor, just give. Then you are, according to the Word of God, giving to Jesus.j
When you don't give to the homeless, don't give to the needy, don't give to the poor, don't give. Then you are, according to the Word of God, NOT giving to Jesus. Woe to those who are full of "NO WORKS" because they claim to be resting in Him and are now free from any labour. True those who do not like to give would indeed feel like it was labour to do so. But those who have Christ living in them, can't seem to give enough. Woe to this wicked and perverse generation.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
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