Verse for "once saved always saved"?
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Why would you do anything if God has not convinced you of your need to be saved?
John 16:7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
John 16:7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Do you understand anything about a judicial system?
A judge can only punish the guilty with the penalty which is written for that crime
The guilty must pay that penalty
redemption says someone else can pay that penalty in the persons place. However, that person can not be guilty of the same crime
So I ask you. What is the penalty for sin?
A judge can only punish the guilty with the penalty which is written for that crime
The guilty must pay that penalty
redemption says someone else can pay that penalty in the persons place. However, that person can not be guilty of the same crime
So I ask you. What is the penalty for sin?
Faith is not a Work..
The Bible clearly reveals that Faith is not a Work..
Romans 9: KJV
30"What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. {31} But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. {32} Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; {33} As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
See how there is a clear border established between Faith and the Work ? Those doctrines that declare Faith to be a Work are clearly wrong..
Galatians 2: KJV
16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
So again the scriptures make it clear that Faith is not a Work but it is separate from Works.. So calling Faith a Work is simply unjustified..
The Bible clearly reveals that Faith is not a Work..
Romans 9: KJV
30"What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. {31} But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. {32} Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; {33} As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
See how there is a clear border established between Faith and the Work ? Those doctrines that declare Faith to be a Work are clearly wrong..
Galatians 2: KJV
16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
So again the scriptures make it clear that Faith is not a Work but it is separate from Works.. So calling Faith a Work is simply unjustified..
If the Scriptures make the doctrine of OSAS clear, then the Scriptures were so poorly written that no one was able to understand even the doctrine of salvation for 1,500 years; and if that is true, the New Testament was so very poorly written that it cannot possibly be the inspired Word of God but is merely junk literature written by men with extremely poor writing skills. Furthermore, if the New Testament was so very poorly written and thus so very poorly understood, we have absolutely no assurance that anyone correctly understands any of it today. Therefore, we have absolutely nothing upon which to base our Christian faith but 27 books of poorly written junk literature!
Muslims have no less confidence of their having eternal life based upon their reading of the Qur’an than you do based upon your severe lack of understanding of the Bible.
Is it not audaciously and sinfully arrogant for anyone to think that they can understand the Greek New Testament Scriptures without being able to read them, but that no one could understand them until a renegade Roman Catholic politician came upon the scene with his cronies and “revealed” the true meaning of the Bible?
Is it not audaciously and sinfully arrogant for anyone to think that they can understand the Greek New Testament Scriptures without being able to read them, but that no one could understand them until a renegade Roman Catholic politician came upon the scene with his cronies and “revealed” the true meaning of the Bible?
Originally Posted by mailmandan
Yes. This time I know that I believe in the name of the Son of God and I know that I have eternal life (1 John 5:13).
no especially with modern helps.
The fathers reveal quite clearly that they misunderstood Paul. Just as you do,
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The things of God are foolishness to those who are not his, His wisdom is not our wisdom.
It is in there, Whether you can see it or not does not matter,. What matters is that it is there. Look at history, even in the time of Isreal. The few and I mean the few had truth, the masses had religion. The churhc was no better.
It is in there, Whether you can see it or not does not matter,. What matters is that it is there. Look at history, even in the time of Isreal. The few and I mean the few had truth, the masses had religion. The churhc was no better.
