WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
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Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
I would tend to agree. I think we're in the end stages of the falling away. We're probably counting days right now. Like they were in the days of Noah, and in the days of Lot. Remember Lot's wife, no looking back at your house.
I wonder what makes you come out at this time to talk about it, a week before Christmas Eve? But I would tend to agree with much of what you say. There's certain doctrines that you talked about, like the AofD and the thousand years that I question. But who's to say that I am right? I agree that now is probably not the time to argue the minutia of Scriptural schematics.
But when you use language like: "If you don't believe it, you're about to find out that it is", you're bound to stir up tribulation. It might be true, you might be right, but isn't there a better demeanor or bedside manor than the bully in the playground style as your opening salvo?
And why not just be silent before the Lord, be silent before the Day of the Lord. Let the three angels, the two witnesses and 144,000 handle this. I would be more afraid of speaking out of step right now, unless of course the Lord sent Gabriel and told me to.
But I agree, I don't think we have very much time left.
I would tend to agree. I think we're in the end stages of the falling away. We're probably counting days right now. Like they were in the days of Noah, and in the days of Lot. Remember Lot's wife, no looking back at your house.
I wonder what makes you come out at this time to talk about it, a week before Christmas Eve? But I would tend to agree with much of what you say. There's certain doctrines that you talked about, like the AofD and the thousand years that I question. But who's to say that I am right? I agree that now is probably not the time to argue the minutia of Scriptural schematics.
But when you use language like: "If you don't believe it, you're about to find out that it is", you're bound to stir up tribulation. It might be true, you might be right, but isn't there a better demeanor or bedside manor than the bully in the playground style as your opening salvo?
And why not just be silent before the Lord, be silent before the Day of the Lord. Let the three angels, the two witnesses and 144,000 handle this. I would be more afraid of speaking out of step right now, unless of course the Lord sent Gabriel and told me to.
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
I didn't mean "If you don't believe it, you're about to find out" in a threatening way. I was simply stating a fact. It would be a proud thing for me to say if it weren't true. I can't really help it if it comes across that way. (Attitude and tone aren't always accurately and clearly perceived through writing as they are through in-person communication.) If anything, that last line was an urgent warning to take heed to the message. I don't bully people. If I'm insistent, it's because it's an urgent and serious warning, and an alarm; not because I'm trying to scare or threaten people (neither of which I do).
I didn't mean "If you don't believe it, you're about to find out" in a threatening way. I was simply stating a fact. It would be a proud thing for me to say if it weren't true. I can't really help it if it comes across that way. (Attitude and tone aren't always accurately and clearly perceived through writing as they are through in-person communication.) If anything, that last line was an urgent warning to take heed to the message. I don't bully people. If I'm insistent, it's because it's an urgent and serious warning, and an alarm; not because I'm trying to scare or threaten people (neither of which I do).
Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
And I've been sharing this information with other Christians for years; it's not new. Same message and warning, over and over; just more urgent now. My sharing it here doesn't have anything to do with Christmas Eve, as far as I know.
And I've been sharing this information with other Christians for years; it's not new. Same message and warning, over and over; just more urgent now. My sharing it here doesn't have anything to do with Christmas Eve, as far as I know.
THE GOLDEN CALF 2017 (EXODUS 32 RETOLD FOR TODAY)
WATCH:
[video]https://youtu.be/uMDQHZhCGzc[/video]
GOD LOVES HIS PEOPLE. MOST OF HIS PEOPLE DO NOT LOVE HIM. (Matthew 24:12; 2 Timothy 3:1-5)
DO YOU? (John 14:15; 1 John 5:3)
(If not, now is the time to do something about it.) (1 John 1:9; Isaiah 55:7)
"Those whom I LOVE, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent." (Revelation 3:19)
"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion." (Hebrews 3:15)
WATCH:
[video]https://youtu.be/uMDQHZhCGzc[/video]
GOD LOVES HIS PEOPLE. MOST OF HIS PEOPLE DO NOT LOVE HIM. (Matthew 24:12; 2 Timothy 3:1-5)
DO YOU? (John 14:15; 1 John 5:3)
(If not, now is the time to do something about it.) (1 John 1:9; Isaiah 55:7)
"Those whom I LOVE, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent." (Revelation 3:19)
"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion." (Hebrews 3:15)
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Re: THE GOLDEN CALF 2017 (EXODUS 32 RETOLD FOR TODAY)
Nice video.
And I know, we have to be extra nice in these notes or we risk sounding like a Mafia thug.
And if you don't believe that, guess what?, you're about to find out.
I might agree with much of what you say, but not everything. But you sound smart, and it's He who gives the wisdom to the wise.
You say that you didn't mean: "If you don't believe it, you're about to find out" in a threatening way. And that you're simply stating a fact. How do you know that you're simply stating a fact. Facts are facts.
How do you know that we are about to find out?
And what do you think is: "this major sign of the times", that you claim people are not recognizing?
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue"><font color="#333333"><span style="font-family: Verdana">[video=youtube;TiaJm-RdF2U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiaJm-RdF2U[/video]
Nice video.
And I know, we have to be extra nice in these notes or we risk sounding like a Mafia thug.
And if you don't believe that, guess what?, you're about to find out.
I might agree with much of what you say, but not everything. But you sound smart, and it's He who gives the wisdom to the wise.
You say that you didn't mean: "If you don't believe it, you're about to find out" in a threatening way. And that you're simply stating a fact. How do you know that you're simply stating a fact. Facts are facts.
How do you know that we are about to find out?
And what do you think is: "this major sign of the times", that you claim people are not recognizing?
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue"><font color="#333333"><span style="font-family: Verdana">[video=youtube;TiaJm-RdF2U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiaJm-RdF2U[/video]
Re: THE GOLDEN CALF 2017 (EXODUS 32 RETOLD FOR TODAY)
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Nice video.
And I know, we have to be extra nice in these notes or we risk sounding like a Mafia thug.
And if you don't believe that, guess what?, you're about to find out.
(Alas; I have already found that out. : / )
I might agree with much of what you say, but not everything. But you sound smart, and it's He who gives the wisdom to the wise.
You say that you didn't mean: "If you don't believe it, you're about to find out" in a threatening way. And that you're simply stating a fact. How do you know that you're simply stating a fact. Facts are facts.
How do you know that we are about to find out?
I don't know how to answer those questions without sounding arrogant. And I'm pretty sure I've already answered them in response to the posts of others.
But as a 'for example'---I know for absolute fact that there isn't going to be a pre-tribulation rapture. I'm not waiting to see whether or not it is true; it's true. And it's only a matter of time before that fact becomes evident to all. The fact that other people don't know this doesn't mean that I'm proud for knowing it, or that it can't be known for certain.
But knowing this truth doesn't depend on how well a Christian knows the Bible or not, but on God revealing and confirming the meaning of what the Bible says to the Christian. There are other Christians who know what I know, about there being no pre or mid-trib rapture, with the same certainty. And there are many who do not. But the fact remains that the Lord will not return until the last day of the tribulation.
I wouldn't change my certainty about this even if no one else believed what I know, because it's a fact, and God has shown me that it is such. I know it for absolute sure.
Just as it is a fact that there is only one true God and Christians are the only ones who know or worship Him.
Most of the world would disagree with that fact, but it remains a fact. And that fact will become evident to all on the day of judgment.
Your questions to me, and others' questions to me likewise, could be seen in the same way as an unsaved person or an atheist asking a Christian how he or she is certain that there is a God and that Christianity is the right religion. Facts are facts; we have evidence, but it's not evidence that everyone is able to receive, no matter how much they search, and no matter how intelligent or knowledgeable they may be. God has to reveal the truth to the individual and enable him or her to receive it.
Knowing the truth and stating facts that others haven't been shown to be facts doesn't make the person who knows them arrogant or overconfident. I'm not confident or certain about everything, just what I know is true, which I state as fact because I know that it is.
And if and when God does the same for other Christians that He has done for me, in giving them this understanding, they will be just as sure and confident about it as myself. (And then they will be accused and criticized by those who don't know the facts, just as I am.)
And what do you think is: "this major sign of the times", that you claim people are not recognizing?
The apostasy/rebellion of the last days that precedes the revealing of the antichrist---which they themselves are a part of. THEY are the sign of the times, and they don't realize it---as those who are fulfilling prophecy seldom do.
Paul could have mentioned any number of signs of the last days preceding the revealing of the antichrist and the start of the tribulation; but God didn't have him mention the wickedness of the world, or strange happenings around the globe, but rather the apostasy of His people, as the major sign.
Of course Christianity has been apostatizing for centuries, and Christians have always been disobedient, but this is not merely a continuation of the way things have been for a long time, but the culmination of the apostasy, just before the antichrist is revealed. (Daniel 8:23,24) And there's no way to know this for sure except that God reveals and confirms it to one.
Jesus' words to the Jews comes to mind, about their knowing how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but not the signs of the times in which they were living---because, as He said, they were a wicked and adulterous generation. They would have recognized the signs if they had actually been obeying God, which we know they weren't---a fact which the Lord pointed out, and which they didn't appreciate. They liked things the way they were---the way they had re-made Judaism for themselves---and they were doing what they were doing for themselves, not for God, appearances regardless. (Which became very obvious by the way they treated Jesus, just as their forefathers had treated the prophets who reproved them similarly.)
And the same charge can be laid against Christians at this hour, just as those same words of Jesus could be applied to them.
What makes Christians think that the Lord wouldn't have the same reaction to their illegitimately 'reformed' versions of the faith that once for all delivered to the saints that He had to what the Jews were doing with Judaism? The Jews were given to us for an example of what NOT to do; but we've gone and done it anyway.
We know how God dealt with them, and what He did to their temple and their city, which accounts, along with old testament scriptures, were given as an example and warning to us upon whom the end of the ages has come, as Paul wrote. And yet, we say, "It won't happen to us!" (How foolish.) It most surely will happen to us. And as I've said so many times before, its only a matter of time before it happens. It is time for judgement to begin with God's household.
Knowing the times is not a matter of there not being definite signs, but of being able to recognize those definite signs. And this understanding is a gift to the faithful and the humble, and is withheld from the disobedient, the proud, and the insincere.
We reap what we sow in our walk with the Lord; those who have been sowing to the Spirit and obeying the Lord have discernment and insight from Him that those who have not been do not.
God (not merely the Bible) gives understanding---not just to those who ask Him, but to those who love Him and do His will. Their God-given wisdom is the evidence that He is pleased with them, regardless of how others might find fault with them.
(Folks may want to crucify me for saying this, but it's just the truth.)
That's why I say that those who do not recognize that they are in the midst of that last days rebellion/falling away are likely a part of it. Not certainly, but likely: There may be new Christians who don't know the times; but God knows who they are and will deal with them according to what He knows about them. He knows what each of us has and does not have in terms of understanding, and what each of us is or isn't doing with the time, and why.
So I'm not worried about baby Christians who don't know their right hand from their left. God will take care of them. He knows what He's doing.
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue"><font color="#333333"><span style="font-family: Verdana">[video=youtube;TiaJm-RdF2U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiaJm-RdF2U[/video]
And I know, we have to be extra nice in these notes or we risk sounding like a Mafia thug.
And if you don't believe that, guess what?, you're about to find out.
(Alas; I have already found that out. : / )
I might agree with much of what you say, but not everything. But you sound smart, and it's He who gives the wisdom to the wise.
You say that you didn't mean: "If you don't believe it, you're about to find out" in a threatening way. And that you're simply stating a fact. How do you know that you're simply stating a fact. Facts are facts.
How do you know that we are about to find out?
I don't know how to answer those questions without sounding arrogant. And I'm pretty sure I've already answered them in response to the posts of others.
But as a 'for example'---I know for absolute fact that there isn't going to be a pre-tribulation rapture. I'm not waiting to see whether or not it is true; it's true. And it's only a matter of time before that fact becomes evident to all. The fact that other people don't know this doesn't mean that I'm proud for knowing it, or that it can't be known for certain.
But knowing this truth doesn't depend on how well a Christian knows the Bible or not, but on God revealing and confirming the meaning of what the Bible says to the Christian. There are other Christians who know what I know, about there being no pre or mid-trib rapture, with the same certainty. And there are many who do not. But the fact remains that the Lord will not return until the last day of the tribulation.
I wouldn't change my certainty about this even if no one else believed what I know, because it's a fact, and God has shown me that it is such. I know it for absolute sure.
Just as it is a fact that there is only one true God and Christians are the only ones who know or worship Him.
Most of the world would disagree with that fact, but it remains a fact. And that fact will become evident to all on the day of judgment.
Your questions to me, and others' questions to me likewise, could be seen in the same way as an unsaved person or an atheist asking a Christian how he or she is certain that there is a God and that Christianity is the right religion. Facts are facts; we have evidence, but it's not evidence that everyone is able to receive, no matter how much they search, and no matter how intelligent or knowledgeable they may be. God has to reveal the truth to the individual and enable him or her to receive it.
Knowing the truth and stating facts that others haven't been shown to be facts doesn't make the person who knows them arrogant or overconfident. I'm not confident or certain about everything, just what I know is true, which I state as fact because I know that it is.
And if and when God does the same for other Christians that He has done for me, in giving them this understanding, they will be just as sure and confident about it as myself. (And then they will be accused and criticized by those who don't know the facts, just as I am.
)And what do you think is: "this major sign of the times", that you claim people are not recognizing?
The apostasy/rebellion of the last days that precedes the revealing of the antichrist---which they themselves are a part of. THEY are the sign of the times, and they don't realize it---as those who are fulfilling prophecy seldom do.
Paul could have mentioned any number of signs of the last days preceding the revealing of the antichrist and the start of the tribulation; but God didn't have him mention the wickedness of the world, or strange happenings around the globe, but rather the apostasy of His people, as the major sign.
Of course Christianity has been apostatizing for centuries, and Christians have always been disobedient, but this is not merely a continuation of the way things have been for a long time, but the culmination of the apostasy, just before the antichrist is revealed. (Daniel 8:23,24) And there's no way to know this for sure except that God reveals and confirms it to one.
Jesus' words to the Jews comes to mind, about their knowing how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but not the signs of the times in which they were living---because, as He said, they were a wicked and adulterous generation. They would have recognized the signs if they had actually been obeying God, which we know they weren't---a fact which the Lord pointed out, and which they didn't appreciate. They liked things the way they were---the way they had re-made Judaism for themselves---and they were doing what they were doing for themselves, not for God, appearances regardless. (Which became very obvious by the way they treated Jesus, just as their forefathers had treated the prophets who reproved them similarly.)
And the same charge can be laid against Christians at this hour, just as those same words of Jesus could be applied to them.
What makes Christians think that the Lord wouldn't have the same reaction to their illegitimately 'reformed' versions of the faith that once for all delivered to the saints that He had to what the Jews were doing with Judaism? The Jews were given to us for an example of what NOT to do; but we've gone and done it anyway.
We know how God dealt with them, and what He did to their temple and their city, which accounts, along with old testament scriptures, were given as an example and warning to us upon whom the end of the ages has come, as Paul wrote. And yet, we say, "It won't happen to us!" (How foolish.) It most surely will happen to us. And as I've said so many times before, its only a matter of time before it happens. It is time for judgement to begin with God's household.
Knowing the times is not a matter of there not being definite signs, but of being able to recognize those definite signs. And this understanding is a gift to the faithful and the humble, and is withheld from the disobedient, the proud, and the insincere.
We reap what we sow in our walk with the Lord; those who have been sowing to the Spirit and obeying the Lord have discernment and insight from Him that those who have not been do not.
God (not merely the Bible) gives understanding---not just to those who ask Him, but to those who love Him and do His will. Their God-given wisdom is the evidence that He is pleased with them, regardless of how others might find fault with them.
(Folks may want to crucify me for saying this, but it's just the truth.)
That's why I say that those who do not recognize that they are in the midst of that last days rebellion/falling away are likely a part of it. Not certainly, but likely: There may be new Christians who don't know the times; but God knows who they are and will deal with them according to what He knows about them. He knows what each of us has and does not have in terms of understanding, and what each of us is or isn't doing with the time, and why.
So I'm not worried about baby Christians who don't know their right hand from their left. God will take care of them. He knows what He's doing.
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue"><font color="#333333"><span style="font-family: Verdana">[video=youtube;TiaJm-RdF2U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiaJm-RdF2U[/video]
Re: THE GOLDEN CALF 2017 (EXODUS 32 RETOLD FOR TODAY)
Well thanks for the reply.
But what I was asking, was for more detail on the "soon" part. Like what you were saying here in post #125:
I know it's a sensitive subject, it's not for everyone.
There is a discussion about it at another forum where a few guys are all talking about the same area of time. It's like a matter requiring two or more witnesses. So the more the merrier.
I was actually telling them that it might be the time to be silent.
Be silent before the Lord.
Be silent before the Day of the Lord.
I don't know how to answer those questions without sounding arrogant. And I'm pretty sure I've already answered them in response to the posts of others.
But as a 'for example'---I know for absolute fact that there isn't going to be a pre-tribulation rapture. I'm not waiting to see whether or not it is true; it's true. And it's only a matter of time before that fact becomes evident to all. The fact that other people don't know this doesn't mean that I'm proud for knowing it, or that it can't be known for certain.
But knowing this truth doesn't depend on how well a Christian knows the Bible or not, but on God revealing and confirming the meaning of what the Bible says to the Christian. There are other Christians who know what I know, about there being no pre or mid-trib rapture, with the same certainty. And there are many who do not. But the fact remains that the Lord will not return until the last day of the tribulation.
I wouldn't change my certainty about this even if no one else believed what I know, because it's a fact, and God has shown me that it is such. I know it for absolute sure.
Just as it is a fact that there is only one true God and Christians are the only ones who know or worship Him.
Most of the world would disagree with that fact, but it remains a fact. And that fact will become evident to all on the day of judgment.
Your questions to me, and others' questions to me likewise, could be seen in the same way as an unsaved person or an atheist asking a Christian how he or she is certain that there is a God and that Christianity is the right religion. Facts are facts; we have evidence, but it's not evidence that everyone is able to receive, no matter how much they search, and no matter how intelligent or knowledgeable they may be. God has to reveal the truth to the individual and enable him or her to receive it.
Knowing the truth and stating facts that others haven't been shown to be facts doesn't make the person who knows them arrogant or overconfident. I'm not confident or certain about everything, just what I know is true, which I state as fact because I know that it is.
And if and when God does the same for other Christians that He has done for me, in giving them this understanding, they will be just as sure and confident about it as myself. (And then they will be accused and criticized by those who don't know the facts, just as I am.)
And what do you think is: "this major sign of the times", that you claim people are not recognizing?
The apostasy/rebellion of the last days that precedes the revealing of the antichrist---which they themselves are a part of. THEY are the sign of the times, and they don't realize it---as those who are fulfilling prophecy seldom do.
Paul could have mentioned any number of signs of the last days preceding the revealing of the antichrist and the start of the tribulation; but God didn't have him mention the wickedness of the world, or strange happenings around the globe, but rather the apostasy of His people, as the major sign.
Of course Christianity has been apostatizing for centuries, and Christians have always been disobedient, but this is not merely a continuation of the way things have been for a long time, but the culmination of the apostasy, just before the antichrist is revealed. (Daniel 8:23,24) And there's no way to know this for sure except that God reveals and confirms it to one.
Jesus' words to the Jews comes to mind, about their knowing how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but not the signs of the times in which they were living---because, as He said, they were a wicked and adulterous generation. They would have recognized the signs if they had actually been obeying God, which we know they weren't---a fact which the Lord pointed out, and which they didn't appreciate. They liked things the way they were---the way they had re-made Judaism for themselves---and they were doing what they were doing for themselves, not for God, appearances regardless. (Which became very obvious by the way they treated Jesus, just as their forefathers had treated the prophets who reproved them similarly.)
And the same charge can be laid against Christians at this hour, just as those same words of Jesus could be applied to them.
What makes Christians think that the Lord wouldn't have the same reaction to their illegitimately 'reformed' versions of the faith that once for all delivered to the saints that He had to what the Jews were doing with Judaism? The Jews were given to us for an example of what NOT to do; but we've gone and done it anyway.
We know how God dealt with them, and what He did to their temple and their city, which accounts, along with old testament scriptures, were given as an example and warning to us upon whom the end of the ages has come, as Paul wrote. And yet, we say, "It won't happen to us!" (How foolish.) It most surely will happen to us. And as I've said so many times before, its only a matter of time before it happens. It is time for judgement to begin with God's household.
Knowing the times is not a matter of there not being definite signs, but of being able to recognize those definite signs. And this understanding is a gift to the faithful and the humble, and is withheld from the disobedient, the proud, and the insincere.
We reap what we sow in our walk with the Lord; those who have been sowing to the Spirit and obeying the Lord have discernment and insight from Him that those who have not been do not.
God (not merely the Bible) gives understanding---not just to those who ask Him, but to those who love Him and do His will. Their God-given wisdom is the evidence that He is pleased with them, regardless of how others might find fault with them.
(Folks may want to crucify me for saying this, but it's just the truth.)
That's why I say that those who do not recognize that they are in the midst of that last days rebellion/falling away are likely a part of it. Not certainly, but likely: There may be new Christians who don't know the times; but God knows who they are and will deal with them according to what He knows about them. He knows what each of us has and does not have in terms of understanding, and what each of us is or isn't doing with the time, and why.
So I'm not worried about baby Christians who don't know their right hand from their left. God will take care of them. He knows what He's doing.
But as a 'for example'---I know for absolute fact that there isn't going to be a pre-tribulation rapture. I'm not waiting to see whether or not it is true; it's true. And it's only a matter of time before that fact becomes evident to all. The fact that other people don't know this doesn't mean that I'm proud for knowing it, or that it can't be known for certain.
But knowing this truth doesn't depend on how well a Christian knows the Bible or not, but on God revealing and confirming the meaning of what the Bible says to the Christian. There are other Christians who know what I know, about there being no pre or mid-trib rapture, with the same certainty. And there are many who do not. But the fact remains that the Lord will not return until the last day of the tribulation.
I wouldn't change my certainty about this even if no one else believed what I know, because it's a fact, and God has shown me that it is such. I know it for absolute sure.
Just as it is a fact that there is only one true God and Christians are the only ones who know or worship Him.
Most of the world would disagree with that fact, but it remains a fact. And that fact will become evident to all on the day of judgment.
Your questions to me, and others' questions to me likewise, could be seen in the same way as an unsaved person or an atheist asking a Christian how he or she is certain that there is a God and that Christianity is the right religion. Facts are facts; we have evidence, but it's not evidence that everyone is able to receive, no matter how much they search, and no matter how intelligent or knowledgeable they may be. God has to reveal the truth to the individual and enable him or her to receive it.
Knowing the truth and stating facts that others haven't been shown to be facts doesn't make the person who knows them arrogant or overconfident. I'm not confident or certain about everything, just what I know is true, which I state as fact because I know that it is.
And if and when God does the same for other Christians that He has done for me, in giving them this understanding, they will be just as sure and confident about it as myself. (And then they will be accused and criticized by those who don't know the facts, just as I am.
)And what do you think is: "this major sign of the times", that you claim people are not recognizing?
The apostasy/rebellion of the last days that precedes the revealing of the antichrist---which they themselves are a part of. THEY are the sign of the times, and they don't realize it---as those who are fulfilling prophecy seldom do.
Paul could have mentioned any number of signs of the last days preceding the revealing of the antichrist and the start of the tribulation; but God didn't have him mention the wickedness of the world, or strange happenings around the globe, but rather the apostasy of His people, as the major sign.
Of course Christianity has been apostatizing for centuries, and Christians have always been disobedient, but this is not merely a continuation of the way things have been for a long time, but the culmination of the apostasy, just before the antichrist is revealed. (Daniel 8:23,24) And there's no way to know this for sure except that God reveals and confirms it to one.
Jesus' words to the Jews comes to mind, about their knowing how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but not the signs of the times in which they were living---because, as He said, they were a wicked and adulterous generation. They would have recognized the signs if they had actually been obeying God, which we know they weren't---a fact which the Lord pointed out, and which they didn't appreciate. They liked things the way they were---the way they had re-made Judaism for themselves---and they were doing what they were doing for themselves, not for God, appearances regardless. (Which became very obvious by the way they treated Jesus, just as their forefathers had treated the prophets who reproved them similarly.)
And the same charge can be laid against Christians at this hour, just as those same words of Jesus could be applied to them.
What makes Christians think that the Lord wouldn't have the same reaction to their illegitimately 'reformed' versions of the faith that once for all delivered to the saints that He had to what the Jews were doing with Judaism? The Jews were given to us for an example of what NOT to do; but we've gone and done it anyway.
We know how God dealt with them, and what He did to their temple and their city, which accounts, along with old testament scriptures, were given as an example and warning to us upon whom the end of the ages has come, as Paul wrote. And yet, we say, "It won't happen to us!" (How foolish.) It most surely will happen to us. And as I've said so many times before, its only a matter of time before it happens. It is time for judgement to begin with God's household.
Knowing the times is not a matter of there not being definite signs, but of being able to recognize those definite signs. And this understanding is a gift to the faithful and the humble, and is withheld from the disobedient, the proud, and the insincere.
We reap what we sow in our walk with the Lord; those who have been sowing to the Spirit and obeying the Lord have discernment and insight from Him that those who have not been do not.
God (not merely the Bible) gives understanding---not just to those who ask Him, but to those who love Him and do His will. Their God-given wisdom is the evidence that He is pleased with them, regardless of how others might find fault with them.
(Folks may want to crucify me for saying this, but it's just the truth.)
That's why I say that those who do not recognize that they are in the midst of that last days rebellion/falling away are likely a part of it. Not certainly, but likely: There may be new Christians who don't know the times; but God knows who they are and will deal with them according to what He knows about them. He knows what each of us has and does not have in terms of understanding, and what each of us is or isn't doing with the time, and why.
So I'm not worried about baby Christians who don't know their right hand from their left. God will take care of them. He knows what He's doing.
But what I was asking, was for more detail on the "soon" part. Like what you were saying here in post #125:
I know it's a sensitive subject, it's not for everyone.
There is a discussion about it at another forum where a few guys are all talking about the same area of time. It's like a matter requiring two or more witnesses. So the more the merrier.
I was actually telling them that it might be the time to be silent.
Be silent before the Lord.
Be silent before the Day of the Lord.
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Probably ask the Lord to be left behind in order to face the Great Tribulation.
For someone to claim that they know "for an absolute fact" that there will be no pre-tribulation Rapture is an indication of how far off the rails their beliefs are. It is one thing to say "I do not believe in a pre-tribulation Rapture" but it is sheer arrogance and foolishness to say that "I know for an absolute fact".
Well, the fact of the matter is that Christ tells us that the Rapture is IMMINENT. He can come at any moment, unannounced, and unexpected.
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Probably ask the Lord to be left behind in order to face the Great Tribulation.
For someone to claim that they know "for an absolute fact" that there will be no pre-tribulation Rapture is an indication of how far off the rails their beliefs are. It is one thing to say "I do not believe in a pre-tribulation Rapture" but it is sheer arrogance and foolishness to say that "I know for an absolute fact".
Well, the fact of the matter is that Christ tells us that the Rapture is IMMINENT. He can come at any moment, unannounced, and unexpected.
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
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Exactly, arrogance indeed.
I've ran into these occultist elsewhere. It's the same m.o. everytime. The no rapture, despair agenda.
And many of us have already addressed this poster, and warned readers that this thread is wicked counsel. The Lord's patience is in his believers.
These false teachers sent such and preach despair and urgency, just as a thief would atempt to steal believers hope.
2 peter warns them of their reward for attacking the Body of Christ.
The false teachers heap destruction on themselves.
I advise this thread be closed.
No heresies allowed.
Exactly, arrogance indeed.
I've ran into these occultist elsewhere. It's the same m.o. everytime. The no rapture, despair agenda.
And many of us have already addressed this poster, and warned readers that this thread is wicked counsel. The Lord's patience is in his believers.
These false teachers sent such and preach despair and urgency, just as a thief would atempt to steal believers hope.
2 peter warns them of their reward for attacking the Body of Christ.
The false teachers heap destruction on themselves.
I advise this thread be closed.
No heresies allowed.
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Ah, I see. "Soon" is all I can say, because that is all that the Lord has made known to me. I do not know exactly what that means in terms of months or years. After all, the Lord gave urgent warnings to His people through Jeremiah for many years before He brought His judgment on them as He said He would, besides the other prophets who preceded him. So I can't say more than that. Whether soon means a few years or within a year, I don't know. And there are some who would say, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years..."
Why would anyone be fool enough to wait and see how much time is left? Is that an excuse to keep on sinning until you absolutely have to quit? If you know these things now, and you need to get right with the Lord, do it now. What sort of Christian has a heart to keep rebelling against God just because he doesn't know for sure when the axe will fall? That's just evil, and foolish. (I'm speaking generally. I am not saying that this applies to you personally.)
I don't personally believe it's going to be years from now, but that is my own persuasion. I do not have a date or a time-frame from the Lord. I'm just watching and waiting and preparing, as we all should be. I don't know whether the Lord has given more specific information concerning the time to someone else, but I personally would be cautious about anyone who sets an exact date for the start of the tribulation. Date-setting usually proves false.
Ah, I see. "Soon" is all I can say, because that is all that the Lord has made known to me. I do not know exactly what that means in terms of months or years. After all, the Lord gave urgent warnings to His people through Jeremiah for many years before He brought His judgment on them as He said He would, besides the other prophets who preceded him. So I can't say more than that. Whether soon means a few years or within a year, I don't know. And there are some who would say, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years..."
Why would anyone be fool enough to wait and see how much time is left? Is that an excuse to keep on sinning until you absolutely have to quit? If you know these things now, and you need to get right with the Lord, do it now. What sort of Christian has a heart to keep rebelling against God just because he doesn't know for sure when the axe will fall? That's just evil, and foolish. (I'm speaking generally. I am not saying that this applies to you personally.)
I don't personally believe it's going to be years from now, but that is my own persuasion. I do not have a date or a time-frame from the Lord. I'm just watching and waiting and preparing, as we all should be. I don't know whether the Lord has given more specific information concerning the time to someone else, but I personally would be cautious about anyone who sets an exact date for the start of the tribulation. Date-setting usually proves false.
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See, I knew that you could write a nice note here. Isn't it more fun to be cordial?
Date setting usually does prove false. Did you hear the one about the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets?
I knew you did.
I was watching one of the videos about Babylon, and there was a scene that looked like New York, a night picture at Times Square. Some people were talking about New Years Eve being an hour that we would not expect. The most famous midnight in all the time zones around the world. That day frames in the 371 days of Noah, until a "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give her light.
I thought that If we got a warning seven days before, like Noah did, it would be on Christmas Eve.
And at midnight there was a cry.
Did you know "Joy To The World" was about Jesus' second coming.
Let every heart prepare Him room.
Take Care LSITD.
[video=youtube;NRR4v-N5xRw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRR4v-N5xRw[/video]
As of the late 20th century, "Joy to the World" was the most-published Christmas hymn in North America.[SUP][1][/SUP]
See, I knew that you could write a nice note here. Isn't it more fun to be cordial?
Date setting usually does prove false. Did you hear the one about the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets?
I knew you did.
I was watching one of the videos about Babylon, and there was a scene that looked like New York, a night picture at Times Square. Some people were talking about New Years Eve being an hour that we would not expect. The most famous midnight in all the time zones around the world. That day frames in the 371 days of Noah, until a "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give her light.
I thought that If we got a warning seven days before, like Noah did, it would be on Christmas Eve.
And at midnight there was a cry.
Did you know "Joy To The World" was about Jesus' second coming.
Let every heart prepare Him room.
Take Care LSITD.
[video=youtube;NRR4v-N5xRw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRR4v-N5xRw[/video]
As of the late 20th century, "Joy to the World" was the most-published Christmas hymn in North America.[SUP][1][/SUP]
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"Behold darkness comes on the earth a d gross darkness on the people, but light is wrisen on you." There will be the vreatest revival in the greatest time of trouble. "Where sin abounds Grace much more abounds." It's also up to us to pray for this anoining of power to speak the word with boldness to sta d against opposition.
We sbould not jump to conclusion to think we know. If we tbink we know we stop learning. "Now we know in part." I agree that the rapture is christians put to death, like the comunist government being the beast becoming the one world government.
"Behold darkness comes on the earth a d gross darkness on the people, but light is wrisen on you." There will be the vreatest revival in the greatest time of trouble. "Where sin abounds Grace much more abounds." It's also up to us to pray for this anoining of power to speak the word with boldness to sta d against opposition.
We sbould not jump to conclusion to think we know. If we tbink we know we stop learning. "Now we know in part." I agree that the rapture is christians put to death, like the comunist government being the beast becoming the one world government.
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(I don't know anything about the one world government being communist. I don't really think it matters what kind of government it is; we know what it is going to do to us (Christians), and that it is doomed. (Daniel 2:44) )
"Behold darkness comes on the earth a d gross darkness on the people, but light is wrisen on you." There will be the vreatest revival in the greatest time of troublerevi It won't be a 'revival', but the light will indeed rise upon the remnant of Israel during that time, those 144,000 Jewish men described in the Revelation. And that will surely be a wonderful day. "Where sin abounds Grace much more abounds." It's also up to us to pray for this anoining of power to speak the word with boldness to sta d against opposition.
We sbould not jump to conclusion to think we know. I only state with certainty those things of which I am certain, as I've said to others. If I'm not certain, I say so. But the fact that others may not know what I know with certainty doesn't mean that it isn't true or can't be certain, or that I have no right to state the fact that it is. That's not being proud, even if others think it is; it's just being certain of a truth they do not know and are not certain of. If and when God shows them that those things I have stated as fact are in fact fact, they will be as certain of them as myself. (Will they be proud too then for knowing it?) If we tbink we know we stop learning. (I do not think I know everything. I just know what I know. I can't speak of what I do not know, but I can and will speak of what I do know.) "Now we know in part." I agree that the rapture is christians put to death (No, the rapture isn't Christians being put to death. The Christians who remain on the earth when Christ returns on the last day will be raptured; but that great throng of saints before the throne of God with palm branches in their hands, described in the Revelation---the ones 'coming out of the great tribulation'---are saints who have been martyred, not raptured.), like the comunist government being the beast becoming the one world government.
We sbould not jump to conclusion to think we know. I only state with certainty those things of which I am certain, as I've said to others. If I'm not certain, I say so. But the fact that others may not know what I know with certainty doesn't mean that it isn't true or can't be certain, or that I have no right to state the fact that it is. That's not being proud, even if others think it is; it's just being certain of a truth they do not know and are not certain of. If and when God shows them that those things I have stated as fact are in fact fact, they will be as certain of them as myself. (Will they be proud too then for knowing it?
) If we tbink we know we stop learning. (I do not think I know everything. I just know what I know. I can't speak of what I do not know, but I can and will speak of what I do know.) "Now we know in part." I agree that the rapture is christians put to death (No, the rapture isn't Christians being put to death. The Christians who remain on the earth when Christ returns on the last day will be raptured; but that great throng of saints before the throne of God with palm branches in their hands, described in the Revelation---the ones 'coming out of the great tribulation'---are saints who have been martyred, not raptured.), like the comunist government being the beast becoming the one world government.
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You have the right to state whatever you wish.
But understand that things do not have to be true just because you claim to know them "with certainty".
What will you do when things you are so certain about do not pan out the way you think they will? Accuse God of lying to you? Unless you're willing to admit that you could be wrong, that's about your only option.
You have the right to state whatever you wish.
But understand that things do not have to be true just because you claim to know them "with certainty".
What will you do when things you are so certain about do not pan out the way you think they will? Accuse God of lying to you? Unless you're willing to admit that you could be wrong, that's about your only option.
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And this is the last time I will be addressing this particular accusation or question, as I have repeated myself enough to other commenters. If you don't get this, I'm sorry. Please re-read my responses to others.
You have the right to state whatever you wish.
But understand that things do not have to be true just because you claim to know them "with certainty".
*CUT AND PASTED FROM MY REPLY TO DAVEWATCHMAN:
I wouldn't change my certainty about this even if no one else believed what I know, because it's a fact, and God has shown me that it is such. I know it for absolute sure.
Just as it is a fact that there is only one true God and Christians are the only ones who know or worship Him.
Most of the world would disagree with that fact, but it remains a fact. And that fact will become evident to all on the day of judgment.
Your questions to me, and others' questions to me likewise, could be seen in the same way as an unsaved person or an atheist asking a Christian how he or she is certain that there is a God and that Christianity is the right religion. Facts are facts; we have evidence, but it's not evidence that everyone is able to receive, no matter how much they search, and no matter how intelligent or knowledgeable they may be. God has to reveal the truth to the individual and enable him or her to receive it.
Knowing the truth and stating facts that others haven't been shown to be facts doesn't make the person who knows them arrogant or overconfident. I'm not confident or certain about everything, just what I know is true, which I state as fact because I know that it is.
And if and when God does the same for other Christians that He has done for me, in giving them this understanding, they will be just as sure and confident about it as myself. (And then they will be accused and criticized by those who don't know the facts, just as I am.)
What will you do when things you are so certain about do not pan out the way you think they will? Accuse God of lying to you? Unless you're willing to admit that you could be wrong (Would you be willing to admit to a Muslim that you could be worshiping the wrong God? Would you be willing to admit to an atheist that there might not be a God? If the answer is "No", are you proud and overconfident? They would say that you are. Truth is truth. Facts are facts. Not knowing what someone else knows doesn't make what the other person knows speculation or error. If you can answer the aforementioned questions with certainty and confidence that others do not have, and would not be overconfident or proud for doing so, you cannot justly call me proud or overconfident for stating what I know, unless you yourself know for absolute certain that I am wrong.), that's about your only option.
But understand that things do not have to be true just because you claim to know them "with certainty".
*CUT AND PASTED FROM MY REPLY TO DAVEWATCHMAN:
I wouldn't change my certainty about this even if no one else believed what I know, because it's a fact, and God has shown me that it is such. I know it for absolute sure.
Just as it is a fact that there is only one true God and Christians are the only ones who know or worship Him.
Most of the world would disagree with that fact, but it remains a fact. And that fact will become evident to all on the day of judgment.
Your questions to me, and others' questions to me likewise, could be seen in the same way as an unsaved person or an atheist asking a Christian how he or she is certain that there is a God and that Christianity is the right religion. Facts are facts; we have evidence, but it's not evidence that everyone is able to receive, no matter how much they search, and no matter how intelligent or knowledgeable they may be. God has to reveal the truth to the individual and enable him or her to receive it.
Knowing the truth and stating facts that others haven't been shown to be facts doesn't make the person who knows them arrogant or overconfident. I'm not confident or certain about everything, just what I know is true, which I state as fact because I know that it is.
And if and when God does the same for other Christians that He has done for me, in giving them this understanding, they will be just as sure and confident about it as myself. (And then they will be accused and criticized by those who don't know the facts, just as I am.
)What will you do when things you are so certain about do not pan out the way you think they will? Accuse God of lying to you? Unless you're willing to admit that you could be wrong (Would you be willing to admit to a Muslim that you could be worshiping the wrong God? Would you be willing to admit to an atheist that there might not be a God? If the answer is "No", are you proud and overconfident? They would say that you are. Truth is truth. Facts are facts. Not knowing what someone else knows doesn't make what the other person knows speculation or error. If you can answer the aforementioned questions with certainty and confidence that others do not have, and would not be overconfident or proud for doing so, you cannot justly call me proud or overconfident for stating what I know, unless you yourself know for absolute certain that I am wrong.), that's about your only option.
And this is the last time I will be addressing this particular accusation or question, as I have repeated myself enough to other commenters. If you don't get this, I'm sorry. Please re-read my responses to others.