lol,I think your all wound up for ABC...
Still though, if the city wasn't surrounded at the time Romans was written ect. then how's it some type connection with "when you see the city surrounded",,,? seems to be a stretch if you see it from another's point of view right?
Still though, if the city wasn't surrounded at the time Romans was written ect. then how's it some type connection with "when you see the city surrounded",,,? seems to be a stretch if you see it from another's point of view right?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, [SUP]12 [/SUP]teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, [SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
Titus is to look for the blessed hope of the glorious appearance (parousia) of God and Jesus. Men of the 1st century were to live soberly because this appearance (parousia) was to happen in their age. Their age (Mosaic) was about to end and Christ would return to end it and usher in our age (Messianic). This message about being sober, watching and waiting for Christ's appearance (parousia) is found here too:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
Paul gave these instructions to the first century church at Thessalonica. "But YOU brethren" He did not give those instructions to people living in the 21st century. Paul did not say, "hey, you guys in the 21st century, live sober and watch because Christ is coming back in your generation."
Who were the "them" that sudden destruction was going to come upon? It was the first century apostate wicked Jews living in Jerusalem and having returned to Jerusalem from other places. All the rotten eggs returned to the basket (Jerusalem) to be destroyed in the Great Tribulation.
How could "this day (the Day of the Lord) overtake them if that day wouldn't be for another 2,000 years? When you have the complete and total annihilation of their 2,000 year-old nation because of utter sin and wickedness (that faithless and perverse generation), within the next 10-20 years don't you think those in the know (Paul, John, Peter, Matthew, Luke and even earlier with Jesus and John the Baptist) would be talking about it and warning their contemporaries? The OT prophets sure gave warning of pending destruction and punishment, why wouldn't the NT prophets do the same?
If these NT prophets were not addressing the end of their nation in all these so-called "end times" passages that many think apply to us, then where do they discuss it? In the Olivet after Jesus told them about their temple to soon be destroyed, they asked, "tell us, when will these things be? And what would be the signs of Your Presence and the termination of this age," the age they were living in. Can anyone deny their Law or Mosaic Age ended in 70 AD?
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