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Paul plainly states that it is God who decides who gets what gift
yet, there are 'schools' to teach you how to become a prophet .... they decide who gets that anointing
which explains the false prophecies that no one is accountable for...but God hears and sees it all and they are simply heaping condemnation upon themselves just like the false prophets to Israel
they pasture themselves on the sheep and muddy the waters and fleece so close the blood flows
God is not mocked.
Luke 11:9-13
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”
I love my husband! 
I just presented this whole thing to him and asked his opinion if this could be God.
And he said, " I think they are just being all things to all people. Yes!
1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak I became weak in order to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some of them.
1 Corinthians 9:23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel in order to have a share in its blessings.
I just presented this whole thing to him and asked his opinion if this could be God.
And he said, " I think they are just being all things to all people. Yes!
1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak I became weak in order to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some of them.
1 Corinthians 9:23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel in order to have a share in its blessings.
Not once, when Paul was confronted by people in the occult did Paul ever become one of them to win them. It was always the opposite, he took his authority in Christ and dealt with them.
Acts 13:4-12
[SUP]4 [/SUP]So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia and from there they sailed to Cyprus. [SUP]5 [/SUP]When they reached Salamis, they began to proclaim the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews; and they also had John as their helper. [SUP]6 [/SUP]When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, [SUP]7 [/SUP]who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But Elymas the magician (for so his name is translated) was opposing them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But Saul, who was also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze on him, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and said, “You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord? [SUP]11 [/SUP]Now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and not see the sun for a time.” And immediately a mist and a darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking those who would lead him by the hand. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the proconsul believed when he saw what had happened, being amazed at the teaching of the Lord.
Acts 16:16-18
[SUP]16 [/SUP]It happened that as we were going to the place of prayer, a slave-girl having a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortune-telling. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, “These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation.” [SUP]18 [/SUP]She continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!” And it came out at that very moment.
Acts 19:11-19
[SUP]11 [/SUP]God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, [SUP]12 [/SUP]so that handkerchiefs or aprons were even carried from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, “I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.” [SUP]14 [/SUP]Seven sons of one Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the evil spirit answered and said to them, “I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?” [SUP]16 [/SUP]And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who lived in Ephesus; and fear fell upon them all and the name of the Lord Jesus was being magnified. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Many also of those who had believed kept coming, confessing and disclosing their practices. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. [SUP]20 [/SUP]So the word of the Lord was growing mightily and prevailing.
Now please show us where Paul became an occultist to win the occultist?
I think you are simply trying to be cute and spiritual to one up a fellow woman poster you highly dislike. You do this and butcher God's word and implicate you and your husband at your own risk woman. God is not mocked, you need to repent.
You know Shrume, I don't drink, have never drank alcohol before I was saved, never did any illegal drugs, was raising babies while finishing high school. Married young.
But...when visiting the mother of a friend of my husbands, she offered me a glass of wine. I would of said no, but Holy Spirit spoke to me and said take it, she will be offended if you don't. So I did.
Wish I had remembered this earlier.
But...when visiting the mother of a friend of my husbands, she offered me a glass of wine. I would of said no, but Holy Spirit spoke to me and said take it, she will be offended if you don't. So I did.
Wish I had remembered this earlier.
Are you really this misguided and tone deaf?
No, its best to do what the Holy Spirit leads and Tell's you do to. We never listen to our own spirit, we listen to The Spirit bearing witness to our spirit and then comply with instant obedience.
Te Holy Spirit is not behind tarot card reading pagan, claiming they are full of light.
Matt 6:22-23 perfectly describes Christ-alignment people and maybe even some condoming them like Bethel
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
Te Holy Spirit is not behind tarot card reading pagan, claiming they are full of light.
Matt 6:22-23 perfectly describes Christ-alignment people and maybe even some condoming them like Bethel
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
Yeah so did this guy:
Acts 8:14-24
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, [SUP]15 [/SUP]who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, [SUP]19 [/SUP]saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! [SUP]21 [/SUP]You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.” [SUP]24 [/SUP]But Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.”
Acts 8:14-24
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, [SUP]15 [/SUP]who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, [SUP]19 [/SUP]saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! [SUP]21 [/SUP]You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.” [SUP]24 [/SUP]But Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.”
It says all things to all people.
One up another? No, that's not my intention. It's finding truth. You did say one thing in a post that I agree with though. I find it very unChristlike for anyone to judge the ministry of Bill Johnson. Not saying those under him, but he himself. And I've always heard that if we criticize others ministry, we will never have our own.
Unless you can find blatent sin in a life, I would be careful in this matter. Before our own master, we all stand or fall. It's my opinion that God is judging many right now in all areas of life.
So you dont know me at all. And I suspect you are still angry with me. That's your problem.
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so we should become a drunk or a prostitute or a murderer or a rapist?
better think twice on that one
obviously that scripture does not mean what you are trying to make it mean
if Paul says he becomes weak to the weak, does that mean he is weak Christian?
the context does not support what you are saying. Paul makes the point that he has liberty in Christ...but then he also states that we should not offend those who are weaker
think about that
what he is saying, is that even though he is free, he will not use that freedom if it means hurting someone
he is not saying do what sinners are doing or join them to win them
better think twice on that one
obviously that scripture does not mean what you are trying to make it mean
if Paul says he becomes weak to the weak, does that mean he is weak Christian?
the context does not support what you are saying. Paul makes the point that he has liberty in Christ...but then he also states that we should not offend those who are weaker
think about that
what he is saying, is that even though he is free, he will not use that freedom if it means hurting someone
he is not saying do what sinners are doing or join them to win them
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yet aren't you of the belief that we are no longer under judgement?
or do I have you mixed up with someone else in the 'not by works' thread?
how are we under judgement if we are no longer considered under judgement?
thought there is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ?
are we saved or not? who is God judging exactly?
or do I have you mixed up with someone else in the 'not by works' thread?
how are we under judgement if we are no longer considered under judgement?
thought there is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ?
are we saved or not? who is God judging exactly?