Not By Works
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You agree the life of the saved person is transformed. Then you say the saved person doesn't have to be transformed and that you're being hateful and judgmental and self righteous to quote the Bible that says the not transformed, lawless person who 'lives like this' will not inherit the kingdom. No wonder the world thinks we're idiots.
(Uh oh, he's using the 'lol'. He's on the ropes).
People who 'live like this' are NOT truly saved-Galatians 5:21. You should know this. Why do you not know the Bible? And if you do know it why do you say it's not true?
(Uh oh, he's using the 'lol'. He's on the ropes).
People who 'live like this' are NOT truly saved-Galatians 5:21. You should know this. Why do you not know the Bible? And if you do know it why do you say it's not true?
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Ah, yes, persecution complex. Very predictable. The venom is flowing.
I'm not judging anyone. The Bible is your judge. It says you can NOT inherit the kingdom if you 'live like this'. You don't agree with the Bible. But I'm the bad guy here for agreeing with it. You're the ones contradicting the Bible and then hating and beating up on those who oppose your unbiblical beliefs.
I'm not judging anyone. The Bible is your judge. It says you can NOT inherit the kingdom if you 'live like this'. You don't agree with the Bible. But I'm the bad guy here for agreeing with it. You're the ones contradicting the Bible and then hating and beating up on those who oppose your unbiblical beliefs.
Paul, James, John and Peter are writing to who?
Believers both mature and immature. Immature? Who are they and why are they immature?
They all address the same thing. Live according to your sonship and calling. This is what you were so what are you now?
To be honest in my whole Christian life I have only met two people who have abused the grace of God in terms of "it's ok I can do what I want and am still saved". That's sad and disgusting.
On the other hand I know of hundreds of Christians who also abuse grace.
Why would that be? Your thoughts on that.
I can't recall anyone on this thread promoting "Saved by grace carry on as you normally would, no change needed"
Who are the many you accuse of doing that, not talking about mainstream church but people on this thread.
Believers both mature and immature. Immature? Who are they and why are they immature?
They all address the same thing. Live according to your sonship and calling. This is what you were so what are you now?
To be honest in my whole Christian life I have only met two people who have abused the grace of God in terms of "it's ok I can do what I want and am still saved". That's sad and disgusting.
On the other hand I know of hundreds of Christians who also abuse grace.
Why would that be? Your thoughts on that.
I can't recall anyone on this thread promoting "Saved by grace carry on as you normally would, no change needed"
Who are the many you accuse of doing that, not talking about mainstream church but people on this thread.
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His flesh had to die to be saved. And he did repent. How does that prove your false belief that you can 'live like this' and you can still be really saved and so will be saved when Jesus comes back? Even eternally-gratefull says he repented. You claimed he did not. I proved all four of your so-called examples of people who had no works but who were saved anyway wrong. Of course you're just going to say I did not. You have no argument. I do, right out of the Bible.
That is the moot argument that all workers for push.....they have nothing else to grasp on to.....they explain away chastisment, saved people like David were not saved, ignore the fact that all believers have done the work of the Heavenly Father and have yet defined how many works one must have to prove salvation.....even though Jesus said a cup of cold water alone will not go unnoticed and or unrewarded........a sad joke really....the number is plenteous that comes before the thone pushing the same drivel...only to be cast into hell......
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1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Righteousness is an action,and righteousness=not sinning,for that is what the Bible says,awake to righteousness,and sin not.
If they say that righteousness is imputed to them,and they will always have that righteousness,then not sinning is imputed to them,so why do they sin.
They say that they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,but if righteousness in imputed to them,which means not sinning,then why do they sin,for we see the hypocrites in society.
If righteousness were imputed to them,they should not able to sin,which we have the righteousness of Christ if we have the action of righteousness,and act like Christ,which is by the Spirit,but if they sin they are not led of the Spirit,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections.
Like faith,it is an action,not only a belief,and that action is rooted in love,which love will feed the poor and needy,and not think an evil thought,and will abstain from sin by the Spirit,as Paul said,and charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and hope,and faith works by love.
But they try to cut out the action part of it,which the belief does not count without the action.
It appears as if some people like to interpret scriptures according to the flesh instead of the Spirit.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Righteousness is an action,and righteousness=not sinning,for that is what the Bible says,awake to righteousness,and sin not.
If they say that righteousness is imputed to them,and they will always have that righteousness,then not sinning is imputed to them,so why do they sin.
They say that they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,but if righteousness in imputed to them,which means not sinning,then why do they sin,for we see the hypocrites in society.
If righteousness were imputed to them,they should not able to sin,which we have the righteousness of Christ if we have the action of righteousness,and act like Christ,which is by the Spirit,but if they sin they are not led of the Spirit,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections.
Like faith,it is an action,not only a belief,and that action is rooted in love,which love will feed the poor and needy,and not think an evil thought,and will abstain from sin by the Spirit,as Paul said,and charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and hope,and faith works by love.
But they try to cut out the action part of it,which the belief does not count without the action.
It appears as if some people like to interpret scriptures according to the flesh instead of the Spirit.
Works follow salvation. “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ
Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
(* for the record, I believe that anyone who is a Christian is truly saved. And by Christian, I do not mean a person who -calls- himself a Christian, but a person who has confessed Jesus as Lord and believed in his heart that God raised him from the dead, becoming born again of the Holy Spirit.)
