Not By Works

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Just read my posts. You will not be able to refute what I'm saying. You can not 'live like this' and inherit the kingdom. It shows you do not know Christ. And if you remain that way when He returns you will be burned up not saved. Prove that the Bible is wrong about this.
One word and to whom it applies....CHASTISMENT <---THE CORINTHIAN FORNICATOR is a prime example!!
 

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You call yourself a mocker? It does fit.
Ralph/Fran is playing the roll of the Holy Spirit. She has a persecution complex and yet makes claims to know who will be saved and who will not. All of her ramblings are like that of a child's view of the bible, and a childish avatar to back it up.
 
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FranC says; "That's how you get abused.....just say the truth to people who are not living it."

Being interpreted FranC means if we don't agree with her then we're not living for God, not saved. But she does this even after we've agreed the life is transformed if saved.
You agree the life of the saved person is transformed. Then you say the saved person doesn't have to be transformed and that you're being hateful and judgmental and self righteous to quote the Bible that says the not transformed, lawless person who 'lives like this' will not inherit the kingdom. No wonder the world thinks we're idiots.


will not and cannot accept the fact there are people that are truly saved. Lol!
(Uh oh, he's using the 'lol'. He's on the ropes).

People who 'live like this' are NOT truly saved-Galatians 5:21. You should know this. Why do you not know the Bible? And if you do know it why do you say it's not true?
 
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IOW, you can't prove me wrong. That's all you had to say.
Everytime you type you belie who you really are..just like your post to preacher above....your last statement and then question is exactly what and how Fran would say something......and as far as doctrine...the bible refutes you in spades.......
 
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Ralph/Fran is playing the roll of the Holy Spirit. She has a persecution complex and yet makes claims to know who will be saved and who will not. All of her ramblings are like that of a child's view of the bible, and a childish avatar to back it up.
Ah, yes, persecution complex. Very predictable. The venom is flowing.

I'm not judging anyone. The Bible is your judge. It says you can NOT inherit the kingdom if you 'live like this'. You don't agree with the Bible. But I'm the bad guy here for agreeing with it. You're the ones contradicting the Bible and then hating and beating up on those who oppose your unbiblical beliefs.
 
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Everytime you type you belie who you really are..just like your post to preacher above....your last statement and then question is exactly what and how Fran would say something......and as far as doctrine...the bible refutes you in spades.......
It must not because you can't show us what in the Bible refutes that Paul said if you 'live like this' you will not inherit the kingdom when Jesus comes back and you are still 'living like this' showing yourself to be unsaved.
 
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It must not because you can't show us what in the Bible refutes that Paul said if you 'live like this' you will not inherit the kingdom when Jesus comes back and you are still 'living like this' showing yourself to be unsaved.
More Franism in this post.....she played the same card after proven wrong time and again and then we got tired of casting pearls out to be trampled and she would say the exact same thing.....
 

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Galatians 5:21 makes it more clear that this is written to those who 'live like this'. If you are unchanged in spite of your confession of knowing Christ you are a liar and if you remain that way when Jesus returns you will not inherit the kingdom, you will go into the furnace.

John said born again people do not 'live like this'. Our responsibility is to heed the warning and prove that we are called and chosen and really are among the born again. Which means if we are 'living like this' we are to put the flesh to death. If a person can't heed the warning it shows they do not know Christ and they will be lost when he returns. But Christians think since salvation is not by merit of works that it's okay to 'live like this' and they will inherit the kingdom when He returns. That's not what Paul, James, or John says. The one who ignores the warning is showing they do not know Christ and will not be saved when He comes back.

Many in ministry are leading these people astray into this lie that you can 'live like this' and you will still be saved when he returns because salvation is not by works and not warning them that to 'live like this' and to not change is to show you are not saved. They will pay a severe penalty for what they are doing.
Paul, James, John and Peter are writing to who?
Believers both mature and immature. Immature? Who are they and why are they immature?

They all address the same thing. Live according to your sonship and calling. This is what you were so what are you now?

To be honest in my whole Christian life I have only met two people who have abused the grace of God in terms of "it's ok I can do what I want and am still saved". That's sad and disgusting.

On the other hand I know of hundreds of Christians who also abuse grace.
Why would that be? Your thoughts on that.

I can't recall anyone on this thread promoting "Saved by grace carry on as you normally would, no change needed"

Who are the many you accuse of doing that, not talking about mainstream church but people on this thread.
 
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One word and to whom it applies....CHASTISMENT <---THE CORINTHIAN FORNICATOR is a prime example!!
His flesh had to die to be saved. And he did repent. How does that prove your false belief that you can 'live like this' and you can still be really saved and so will be saved when Jesus comes back? Even eternally-gratefull says he repented. You claimed he did not. I proved all four of your so-called examples of people who had no works but who were saved anyway wrong. Of course you're just going to say I did not. You have no argument. I do, right out of the Bible.
 
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His flesh had to die to be saved. And he did repent. How does that prove your false belief that you can 'live like this' and you can still be really saved and so will be saved when Jesus comes back? Even eternally-gratefull says he repented. You claimed he did not. I proved all four of your so-called examples of people who had no works but who were saved anyway wrong. Of course you're just going to say I did not. You have no argument. I do, right out of the Bible.
Sure you do Fran....keep dreaming and believing your works keep you saved or embellish salvation
 

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Have a very Merry Christmas, Ralph!! (or Fran?)

One day before Christ returns I hope you understand what God through Christ has done for us, and that we are not saved by works.
 

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Works follow salvation. “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ
Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” :)
 
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Paul, James, John and Peter are writing to who?
Believers both mature and immature. Immature? Who are they and why are they immature?

They all address the same thing. Live according to your sonship and calling. This is what you were so what are you now?

To be honest in my whole Christian life I have only met two people who have abused the grace of God in terms of "it's ok I can do what I want and am still saved". That's sad and disgusting.

On the other hand I know of hundreds of Christians who also abuse grace.
Why would that be? Your thoughts on that.

I can't recall anyone on this thread promoting "Saved by grace carry on as you normally would, no change needed"

Who are the many you accuse of doing that, not talking about mainstream church but people on this thread.
That is the moot argument that all workers for push.....they have nothing else to grasp on to.....they explain away chastisment, saved people like David were not saved, ignore the fact that all believers have done the work of the Heavenly Father and have yet defined how many works one must have to prove salvation.....even though Jesus said a cup of cold water alone will not go unnoticed and or unrewarded........a sad joke really....the number is plenteous that comes before the thone pushing the same drivel...only to be cast into hell......
 
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1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Righteousness is an action,and righteousness=not sinning,for that is what the Bible says,awake to righteousness,and sin not.

If they say that righteousness is imputed to them,and they will always have that righteousness,then not sinning is imputed to them,so why do they sin.

They say that they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,but if righteousness in imputed to them,which means not sinning,then why do they sin,for we see the hypocrites in society.

If righteousness were imputed to them,they should not able to sin,which we have the righteousness of Christ if we have the action of righteousness,and act like Christ,which is by the Spirit,but if they sin they are not led of the Spirit,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections.

Like faith,it is an action,not only a belief,and that action is rooted in love,which love will feed the poor and needy,and not think an evil thought,and will abstain from sin by the Spirit,as Paul said,and charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and hope,and faith works by love.

But they try to cut out the action part of it,which the belief does not count without the action.

It appears as if some people like to interpret scriptures according to the flesh instead of the Spirit.
 

shrume

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Works follow salvation. “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ
Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” :)
Not to make this whole conversation worse, but is that an absolute, or can a truly saved Christian* say "no" to doing good works?

(* for the record, I believe that anyone who is a Christian is truly saved. And by Christian, I do not mean a person who -calls- himself a Christian, but a person who has confessed Jesus as Lord and believed in his heart that God raised him from the dead, becoming born again of the Holy Spirit.)
 

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Just read my posts. You will not be able to refute what I'm saying. You can not 'live like this' and inherit the kingdom. It shows you do not know Christ. And if you remain that way when He returns you will be burned up not saved. Prove that the Bible is wrong about this.
Your posts to me show you have no idea what I believe, nor do you understand even simple things that I say. You would rather make up fairy tales about Jesus than deal with that fact. You ought to be ashamed of yourself... but I know you are not. You rationalize and justify your nonsense.