THE NUMBER PI IN THE BIBLE
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Great link! It explains clearly that the ancient civilizations before the “Common Era” CE, or before the time of Christ, were not able to be accurate beyond 2 decimal places.
“[FONT="]The best known approximations to [/FONT]π[FONT="] dating to [/FONT]before the Common Era[FONT="] were accurate to two decimal places; this was improved upon in [/FONT]Chinese mathematics[FONT="] in particular by the mid-first millennium, to an accuracy of seven decimal places. After this, no further progress was made until the late medieval period.”
Sadly for you, and I did not know this, today, Pi has been calculated to 22.4 trillion decimal points.
“[/FONT][FONT="]The record of manual approximation of [/FONT]π[FONT="] is held by [/FONT]William Shanks[FONT="], who calculated 527 digits correctly in the years preceding 1873. Since the middle of the 20th century, the approximation of [/FONT]π[FONT="] has been the task of electronic digital computers; as of November 2016[/FONT][FONT="], the record is 22.4[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]trillion digits.”
So, you can’t claim your approximation is even close! (Yes, I did miss that one after .14. Thanks for pointing it out. My hands are in very bad shape, unfortunately, and I either missed it, or didn’t see it. My bad!)
As for your “approximations” what does your lovely link say?
”[/FONT][FONT="]Depending on the purpose of a calculation, [/FONT]π[FONT="] can be approximated by using fractions for ease of calculation. The most notable such approximations are [/FONT][FONT="][SUP]22[/SUP]⁄[SUB]7[/SUB][/FONT][FONT="] (accuracy 2·10[/FONT][SUP]−4[/SUP][FONT="]) and [/FONT][FONT="][SUP]355[/SUP]⁄[SUB]113[/SUB][/FONT][FONT="] (accuracy 8·10[/FONT][SUP]−8[/SUP][FONT="]).”
Hmm! No 111/106 listed. Because it deviates so rapidly from Pi, the 6th decimal place. Yes, I got that wrong, based on that missed number 1. So, I am correcting it from 3rd decimal place to 6th. Anything you want to correct?
Nor have you explained your random choice of 111/106. Next time, if you want an approximation, try 22/7 or 355/113.
As for now, you have picked the wrong numbers! But, then, you do have no methods whatsoever for the numbers you pull out of a hat. Spare me the rhetoric and don’t bother going over your mishmash again. I have to go do things![/FONT]
This is why I eventually had to ignore you. WHAT HAVE I SAID ON THIS THREAD CONCERNING THE TOPIC OF PI AND THE BIBLE IS FALSE? Where did I lie or mislead? Here is a pattern for you in the number Pi.
"Jesus: = 37 x 2 in simple English gematria (even Angela can calculate that A=1, B=2, C=3....)
"Christ" = 555 = 37 x 15 times in the King James Bible
The number of man is 6 and in 1 Timothy 2:5 we read:
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
The 6th (number of man) occurrence of the number 37 in Pi is at the 555 (37x15) position from the decimal point. This number created by God and found in all nature has Jesus Christ encoded in it. Hallelujah and praise the Lord! These are facts!
"Jesus: = 37 x 2 in simple English gematria (even Angela can calculate that A=1, B=2, C=3....)
"Christ" = 555 = 37 x 15 times in the King James Bible
The number of man is 6 and in 1 Timothy 2:5 we read:
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
The 6th (number of man) occurrence of the number 37 in Pi is at the 555 (37x15) position from the decimal point. This number created by God and found in all nature has Jesus Christ encoded in it. Hallelujah and praise the Lord! These are facts!
What is your point Angela? Should I have found all 22.4 trillion digits in Pi in 1 Kings 7:23? Your entire post is absurd. Read Chuck Misslers article before you continue to put your ignorance on display!
http://What is your point Angela? S... – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House
I already had if you would take the time to actually examine anything I posted on this thread carefully but your mind is operating recklessly at 1000 miles an hour you miss it!
Here is another one you missed in the original post.
"thirty cubits" = 7th occurrence 1 Kings 7:23
"cubit" = 22 occurence in verse 24 in the phrase "ten in a cubit" which is referring to the thirty in verse 23.
Again 22/7 = 3.142 which is a good approximation of Pi.
Here is another one you missed in the original post.
"thirty cubits" = 7th occurrence 1 Kings 7:23
"cubit" = 22 occurence in verse 24 in the phrase "ten in a cubit" which is referring to the thirty in verse 23.
Again 22/7 = 3.142 which is a good approximation of Pi.
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Are you talking about the same Chuck Missler that plagiarized the new age (Satanic ) author Michael Talbot’s book the holographic universe to write his book cosmic codes ? Also note the same Chuck that used his experance in computer science and knowledge of mathematics to warn us back in 1998 that Y2K would cause a catastrophe bringing the world back to the Stone Age before the end of year 2000.
Sir Chuck is a false prophet.
Ezekiel 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord God.
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Missler spoke falsely about the coming of the year 2000 . He stole the work of a new age author for his book about numerical codes .
I would turn away from him if I were you . His actions speak volumes of his inequality .
Blessings
Bill
Sir Chuck is a false prophet.
Ezekiel 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord God.
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Missler spoke falsely about the coming of the year 2000 . He stole the work of a new age author for his book about numerical codes .
I would turn away from him if I were you . His actions speak volumes of his inequality .
Blessings
Bill
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I would think it is how we hear God. How do we reason? By words or numbers?
You say perfect order. I would ask, a perfect order of what?... a circle? What does the circle represent ...3.14?
I would think our goal would be to rightly divide the word used as a number and not the number. The word numbers already have a meaning attached to the word, we are rightly divide words not number values.
I am not against circular (3.14) reasoning or comparing scripture to scripture, but looking for ratios as a secret codes and not parables as the way of revealing a spiritual matter to one and hiding it from another. Where do you find a prescription in the scriptures for that kind of reasoning (ratios as a secret codes) ?
Again I think the hidden manna (manna ,What is it?) is found in parables that have meaning applied to the number words, not the decimal equivalent, all the words .Like let us hear what the Spirit is saying . Not the mathematician.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
You say perfect order. I would ask, a perfect order of what?... a circle? What does the circle represent ...3.14?
I would think our goal would be to rightly divide the word used as a number and not the number. The word numbers already have a meaning attached to the word, we are rightly divide words not number values.
I am not against circular (3.14) reasoning or comparing scripture to scripture, but looking for ratios as a secret codes and not parables as the way of revealing a spiritual matter to one and hiding it from another. Where do you find a prescription in the scriptures for that kind of reasoning (ratios as a secret codes) ?
Again I think the hidden manna (manna ,What is it?) is found in parables that have meaning applied to the number words, not the decimal equivalent, all the words .Like let us hear what the Spirit is saying . Not the mathematician.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
It is a lack of understanding on your part, not knowing what 'rational' means in the context of mathematics.
Nevertheless it may please you to know that pi ((and e)) are special cases of irrational numbers, which are called more accurately 'transcendental' numbers.
37, by the way, is not transcendental. ((FYI))
Nevertheless it may please you to know that pi ((and e)) are special cases of irrational numbers, which are called more accurately 'transcendental' numbers.
37, by the way, is not transcendental. ((FYI))
Whether all of this is true or not I don't know. Chuck Missler did not originate this idea and I am not a Chuck Missler follower (I invoked his name since he was an engineer and I was debating a "mathematician" and a woman who took "calculus") anyways but the math in 1 Kings 7:23 is sound in the article and I am not going to throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak.
Here is a Jewish source that uses the ratio 111/106 to calculate Pi in 1 Kings 1:23
Torah Source for Pi: Book of Kings Response on Ask the Rabbi
Not only is there two witnesses in the King James Bible to this calculation but we also have the witness of the Hebrew language. Why should both the original Hebrew and the King James Bible both have the ratio 111/106 attached to them in the exact same verse concerning the measurement of a circle?
Thanks for the warning Bill and blessings to you as well
Here is a Jewish source that uses the ratio 111/106 to calculate Pi in 1 Kings 1:23
Torah Source for Pi: Book of Kings Response on Ask the Rabbi
Not only is there two witnesses in the King James Bible to this calculation but we also have the witness of the Hebrew language. Why should both the original Hebrew and the King James Bible both have the ratio 111/106 attached to them in the exact same verse concerning the measurement of a circle?
Thanks for the warning Bill and blessings to you as well
Why don't you apply exactly the same thing to 'ten cubits'?
Why don't you use the instance of the word 'cubits' that's actually in the phrase 'thirty cubits'? Instead of going and grabbing the one from 'ten cubits'?
Oh, because then you wouldn't get 22 and 7?
So this is more evidence that you're not respecting the text so much as you are manipulating it in order to find what you want to find. You're not following any consistent rules of what to do, you're making them up as you go along to make sure you come up with whatever answer you want.
Does that not occur to you at all?
Why don't you use the instance of the word 'cubits' that's actually in the phrase 'thirty cubits'? Instead of going and grabbing the one from 'ten cubits'?
Oh, because then you wouldn't get 22 and 7?
So this is more evidence that you're not respecting the text so much as you are manipulating it in order to find what you want to find. You're not following any consistent rules of what to do, you're making them up as you go along to make sure you come up with whatever answer you want.
Does that not occur to you at all?
Actually you haven't stated anything that I don't already know. I am still waiting for you to point out anything that is not true in the original post that I started this thread with. I personally believe the the name "irrational" is not a good choice when it comes Pi, e, or Phi just as Charles Gauss didn't like the name "imaginary" when it came to complex numbers and preferred "lateral." It is my opinion and that is it. It doesn't mean that i do not understand them as you are implying.
37 may not be a transcendental number but it is a Bible number that is connected with wisdom: 666 = 37 x 18
37 may not be a transcendental number but it is a Bible number that is connected with wisdom: 666 = 37 x 18
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I don't disagree but it is not good enough for "mathematicians" as you very well know. I know you get it as far as the 111/106 ratio is concerned but I am curious as to why you are so contrary. It is simple, elegant and occurs more than once. We could debate on who put it there (God, translators, Sir Francis Bacon) but the fact remains it is theres just as it is in Isaiah 40:22.
I'm not participating in this thread anymore. You can pretend it's because you have 'won' some imaginary creme puff war ((congrats!)) but the reality is that you've shown yourself deaf and altogether unprofitable to read or to write to.
Send me a PM if you ever get around to doing any actual math
Send me a PM if you ever get around to doing any actual math
Is not the phrase "ten in a cubit" a direct reference to the "thirty cubits"? It is how we know there are 300 knops in the "sea." Don't forget that the 3rd 37 (37 x 3 = 111) is at the 300th position in Pi. Give a better explanation for why 300 knops! Furthermore it was you who corrected my original post in the 37 thread that 15 was the second occurrence and not the first in PI. This was based on the phrase "ten cubits" being found 15 times in the KJB and the 2nd occurrence of 15 (15 + 15 = 30 the circumference of the "sea") in Pi is at the 314th position. It is the amount of evidence that makes the pattern stand out so clearly. Don't forget about Isaiah 40:22 also.
