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Hi Shamah, I cannot find one bible translation that uses the word, "belief" as is in your rendering of James2:14. Of the ten bibles that I looked at every bible uses the word "faith" in every translation, belief and faith are not synonymous. You should rewrite your bible verse James2:14 to read "faith" and not "belief"
James2:14
"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have "faith" but has no deeds? Can such "faith" save them?"
"Faith", is the correct translation in every bible that I could find.
R
Because his audience was trying to be JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW.
Paul circumcised Timothy. If just being circumcised in and of itself means you now must keep the entire law, perfectly, or else be accursed why would Paul do that Timothy his son in the faith?
Because he was talking about being circumcised IN ORDER TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW.
The prohibition against the law is keeping the law IN ORDER TO BE JUSTIFIED, not against keeping the law.
We don't know this because we have been taught that Paul said keeping the law is what you must not do. Which is quite ridiculous when you see that he himself kept the law.
Paul circumcised Timothy. If just being circumcised in and of itself means you now must keep the entire law, perfectly, or else be accursed why would Paul do that Timothy his son in the faith?
Because he was talking about being circumcised IN ORDER TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW.
The prohibition against the law is keeping the law IN ORDER TO BE JUSTIFIED, not against keeping the law.
We don't know this because we have been taught that Paul said keeping the law is what you must not do. Which is quite ridiculous when you see that he himself kept the law.
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Because he was talking about being circumcised IN ORDER TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW.
The prohibition against the law is keeping the law IN ORDER TO BE JUSTIFIED, not against keeping the law.
We don't know this because we have been taught that Paul said keeping the law is what you must not do. Which is quite ridiculous when you see that he himself kept the law.[/QUOTE]
Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”
Galatians 5:2, Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.”
Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."
The prohibition against the law is keeping the law IN ORDER TO BE JUSTIFIED, not against keeping the law.
We don't know this because we have been taught that Paul said keeping the law is what you must not do. Which is quite ridiculous when you see that he himself kept the law.[/QUOTE]
Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”
Galatians 5:2, Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.”
Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."
R
Do you see the contradiction in what you say? If he was not led of Him he would not be walking as He walked.
Self righteousness has a distinct quality about it........DISOBEDIENCE, LAWLESSNESS.
By the very fact that self righteousness means not operating in the Spirit, but in oneself instead, the effort is doomed to failure and you will not be obedient. The one who is obedient is showing that is led of Him, not led of self.
Self righteousness has a distinct quality about it........DISOBEDIENCE, LAWLESSNESS.
By the very fact that self righteousness means not operating in the Spirit, but in oneself instead, the effort is doomed to failure and you will not be obedient. The one who is obedient is showing that is led of Him, not led of self.
In the konie Greek it is:
4102. pistis
pistis: faith, faithfulness
Original Word: πίστις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pistis
Phonetic Spelling: (pis'-tis)
Short Definition: faith, belief, trust
Definition: faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.
also I never said it had to be translated this or that, I beleive belief is a better translation considering our medern view of the words belief and faith, the true meaning o "faith" in the OT was :
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]faith” is word #H530 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמוּנָה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'emuwnah (em-oo-naw') n-f., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמֻנָה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'emunah (em-oo-naw') [shortened], 1. (literally) firmness., 2. (figuratively) security., 3. (morally) fidelity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][feminine of H529], KJV: faith(-ful, -ly, -ness, (man)), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily. , Root(s): H529
“faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness
“faith” #H530 Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.[/FONT]
in modern time when one says "my girlfriend is faithful" it does not mean she blieves me, it means she is loyal....
allpy this to the word, words have to be translated from their original language...
4102. pistis
pistis: faith, faithfulness
Original Word: πίστις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pistis
Phonetic Spelling: (pis'-tis)
Short Definition: faith, belief, trust
Definition: faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.
also I never said it had to be translated this or that, I beleive belief is a better translation considering our medern view of the words belief and faith, the true meaning o "faith" in the OT was :
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]faith” is word #H530 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמוּנָה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'emuwnah (em-oo-naw') n-f., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמֻנָה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'emunah (em-oo-naw') [shortened], 1. (literally) firmness., 2. (figuratively) security., 3. (morally) fidelity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][feminine of H529], KJV: faith(-ful, -ly, -ness, (man)), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily. , Root(s): H529
“faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness
“faith” #H530 Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.[/FONT]
in modern time when one says "my girlfriend is faithful" it does not mean she blieves me, it means she is loyal....
allpy this to the word, words have to be translated from their original language...
Aren't we called believers? For starters:
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Hiz, did you know that Abraham had a vision of the sacrificed Son when he heard God speak? If you do a Word study you will see it.
There was a purpose for God in asking Abraham to do this and it was to reveal to him the promised Messiah. Faith has rewards.
And the difference between the inheritance of physical Israel is natural. Land. Still connected to the soulish realm. Has no internal change that would take one into heaven with Father. Response to the soulish realm is'through the 5 senses. And laws to control mans behaviour.
Spiritual Israel- inheritance is the Spirit. Connected to God in the heavens for Godbis Spirit, and is through the obedience of one man. Jesus Messiah. There is one law that all men must obey to be connected to Father through Jesus, and is found here:
Act 17:29 So if we are God's children, we shouldn't think that the divine being is like gold, silver, or stone, or is an image carved by humans using their own imagination and skill.
Act 17:30 Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent,
Act 17:31 because he has set a day when he is going to judge the world with justice through a man whom he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead."
Repentance brings conversion, which brings the divine nature of God, and we attend the reading of the will that Jesus left behind, and see it is Holy Spirit that we inherit, by reading the Word and Holy Spirit teaching.
1Co 2:6 However, when we are among mature people, we do speak a message of wisdom, but not the wisdom of this world or of the rulers of this world, who are passing off the scene.
1Co 2:7 Instead, we speak about God's wisdom in a hidden secret, which God destined before the world began for our glory.
1Co 2:8 None of the rulers of this world understood it, because if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him."
1Co 2:10 But God has revealed those things to us by his Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 Is there anyone who can understand his own thoughts except his own inner spirit? In the same way, no one can know the thoughts of God except God's Spirit.
1Co 2:12 Now, we have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we can understand the things that were freely given to us by God.
So now we are learning to walk in what we are given freely. Being now a spiritual man/woman, already connected to heaven, and work out of this connection of having entered His rest, His victory over all the enemy, and then in Him, we being clothed with Him, His Presence, we work as we are led.
There was a purpose for God in asking Abraham to do this and it was to reveal to him the promised Messiah. Faith has rewards.
And the difference between the inheritance of physical Israel is natural. Land. Still connected to the soulish realm. Has no internal change that would take one into heaven with Father. Response to the soulish realm is'through the 5 senses. And laws to control mans behaviour.
Spiritual Israel- inheritance is the Spirit. Connected to God in the heavens for Godbis Spirit, and is through the obedience of one man. Jesus Messiah. There is one law that all men must obey to be connected to Father through Jesus, and is found here:
Act 17:29 So if we are God's children, we shouldn't think that the divine being is like gold, silver, or stone, or is an image carved by humans using their own imagination and skill.
Act 17:30 Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent,
Act 17:31 because he has set a day when he is going to judge the world with justice through a man whom he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead."
Repentance brings conversion, which brings the divine nature of God, and we attend the reading of the will that Jesus left behind, and see it is Holy Spirit that we inherit, by reading the Word and Holy Spirit teaching.
1Co 2:6 However, when we are among mature people, we do speak a message of wisdom, but not the wisdom of this world or of the rulers of this world, who are passing off the scene.
1Co 2:7 Instead, we speak about God's wisdom in a hidden secret, which God destined before the world began for our glory.
1Co 2:8 None of the rulers of this world understood it, because if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him."
1Co 2:10 But God has revealed those things to us by his Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 Is there anyone who can understand his own thoughts except his own inner spirit? In the same way, no one can know the thoughts of God except God's Spirit.
1Co 2:12 Now, we have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we can understand the things that were freely given to us by God.
So now we are learning to walk in what we are given freely. Being now a spiritual man/woman, already connected to heaven, and work out of this connection of having entered His rest, His victory over all the enemy, and then in Him, we being clothed with Him, His Presence, we work as we are led.
I had two interruptions and forgot to end with this point.
Disobedience and unbelief are synominous. (Sp) Obedience and belief is too. God is pleased by faith.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Increase comes from walking in the Spirit, who is our sanctification.
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctificationof the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Is how we are kept. Being in Him, clothed in Him, walking in the Spirit is all of His grace. Obedience will be our state.
Disobedience and unbelief are synominous. (Sp) Obedience and belief is too. God is pleased by faith.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it isimpossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Increase comes from walking in the Spirit, who is our sanctification.
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctificationof the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Is how we are kept. Being in Him, clothed in Him, walking in the Spirit is all of His grace. Obedience will be our state.
Self righteousness is defining itself. 
Trusting in self (works) as acceptable to God at the judgement seat of Christ. Which I think is when we die. But, obedience is belief, believing that God is and rewards....all through empowerment of Holy Spirit.
If you are referring to Hiz? He includes the law. Though he denies it. It's self evident.
Question ralph. Why did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father?
Trusting in self (works) as acceptable to God at the judgement seat of Christ. Which I think is when we die. But, obedience is belief, believing that God is and rewards....all through empowerment of Holy Spirit. If you are referring to Hiz? He includes the law. Though he denies it. It's self evident.
Question ralph. Why did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father?