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Hi Saint,
Can I repeat what I said before. I love your passion. Here we are searching in our minds and confirming in scripture and coming closer to God in brotherly love. What more could Jesus ask of us?
To this question. I dont know how to quote from your post so I will retype what you wrote.
Retyping. " He is the image of the invisible God " a quote from Colossians 1:15-17 . Then you paraphrase this by saying. "(so yes, Jesus is the visible form of God)
Can you see the difference. Scripture says Jesus is the image. Your paraphrase says Jesus is. To me an image is a reflection of what is real.
Where you mention Jesus being before all things. I take that to exclude being before God as Paul points out in 1 Corinthians 15:27 " For he has put everything under his feet.Now when it says that 'everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ."
God is from everlastiing to everlasting and Jesus is from the Beginning (of creation) to the end (of redemption). The Word begotten before the world and through whom the world was made is God's plan to restore creation back to Himself.
Can I repeat what I said before. I love your passion. Here we are searching in our minds and confirming in scripture and coming closer to God in brotherly love. What more could Jesus ask of us?
To this question. I dont know how to quote from your post so I will retype what you wrote.
Retyping. " He is the image of the invisible God " a quote from Colossians 1:15-17 . Then you paraphrase this by saying. "(so yes, Jesus is the visible form of God)
Can you see the difference. Scripture says Jesus is the image. Your paraphrase says Jesus is. To me an image is a reflection of what is real.
Where you mention Jesus being before all things. I take that to exclude being before God as Paul points out in 1 Corinthians 15:27 " For he has put everything under his feet.Now when it says that 'everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ."
God is from everlastiing to everlasting and Jesus is from the Beginning (of creation) to the end (of redemption). The Word begotten before the world and through whom the world was made is God's plan to restore creation back to Himself.
so what you're sayin is, in the vast category of "all things", God is not included? well that goes against the fact that God is all things, so how can He not be included?
and to your "visible image is not the same" theory, God was visible in the beginning, so they are still the same. and God was visible after the beginning as well, where moses saw God's back. So obviously God isn't strictly invisible, and as you can see, He can be seen, and therefore when Colossians says that Jesus is the visible image, it is most likely refering to that.