What does this mean: "I have said, Ye are gods..."

[DevotiontoBible]

This seems to be all about everyone who believes, not just about yourself........thank you. God bless you always.

He's twisting the discourse in John 10:34 to be all about him and his fellow WOF hereodoxers having magical powers instead of it being all about Jesus and His Deity.

 

[miknik5]

It is probably a good idea, practice, to always think in terms of Jesus speaking, teaching the Gospel to the Jews that He would be speaking in Hebrew, some would argue Aramaic, the lingua franca at the time.

In the Temple it is certain He would have spoken Hebrew while dealing with the scribes, Pharisees, Priests etc, otherwise they would have "nailed Him" with a v alid accusation of bringing in a language of teh nations. It is most likely He always spoke Hebrew when teaching no matter when or where.

With this in mind, and the meaning of the Hebrew words much is clarified easily, but if we do not recognixze we are sons of Abraham, we prob ably cannot understand this principle.

I have read your posts and have understood that the reference to ye are god’s is telling certain men that they are in authority


i understsnd from John 10 (and as well you mention Moses being sent to tell the people that the I AM has sent him...keeping in mind this (bit only that in exodus 6 GOD goes further to clarify to moses that to Abraham HE was GOD ALMIGHTY and this was sufficient but by HIS name LORD HE did not make HIMSELF known -though now HE is HE is going so far as to clarify LISYEN TO ME) and even Deuteronomy 18 and GOD’s call to Moses that because the people did not want to hear HIS VOICE lest they perish HE would send another likened to MOSES...HIM they should listen to and anyone who does not listen to HIM GOD HIMSELF will require it


All this lines up to JESUS declaration of HIMSELF in John 10 (though they did not believe) and HIS saying “if scripture says to whom the WORD sod GOD has come...ye are gods then scripture can not be broken

And if HE calls HIMSELF the son of GOD, why do they say HE blasphemes.

Others believed
their comments stemmed from their unbelief

NONE of scripture can be broken

if they knew the WORD then HIS reference to being the Good shepherd and the door unto the fold should have brought to mind Ezekiel 34 and Isaiah 53

they should have recognized through the WORD that HE was calling HIMSELF THE MESSIAH

i agree that Jesus would have spoken Hebrew to those who were the teachers of the law. And especially in the temple

 

[JaumeJ]

If I have misunderstood, please forgive me. I put the specific post in my text to voice software in order to hear it all, and being simply words and teaching from Jesus, I thought it to be frank, truthful. I will maintain this thought on the teachings of the Word, and hold on any other position. It is a lot for my tired eyes..thank you.

He's twisting the discourse in John 10:34 to be all about him and his fellow WOF hereodoxers having magical powers instead of it being all about Jesus and His Deity.

 

[slave]

You aren’t a “god” but through faith in JESUS CHRIST, we, nevertheless are PROMISED Eternal life

Yes - And not only a promise of Eternal Life but an experience of truth while living here on earth as well. We will never be "gods," yet we are transformed by and into One - namely Jesus Christ. Thus, our disposition is in Christ. “It is the ‘inclusive’ death of the Lord which puts me in a position to identify myself, not that I identify myself in order to be included. It is God’s inclusion of me in Christ that matters.”

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[miknik5]

I have focused on the negative that we are not gods so now I will shift to the positive message here of 'what is it saying?' since I have exhausted all I know on that.

I have used this section in John to combat Muslim attacks on Jesus's Divinty against questions like " Jesus never said he was the Son of God so show me Jesus in his own words saying he is the son of God." The NLT has the heading over v 22 Jesus Claims To Be The Son Of God those headings help interpret the section. In v 30 Jesus is placing Himself in the shema (deut 6:4). The jewish audience recognized His phrasing and that's why they tried to kill Him for saying it that way. Jesus was using Father and Son on place of God and Lord. Jesus was saying I and the Father are one God. Then in v36 Jesus makes the statement "I am the Son of God". The article "the" is only used for Jesus being THE Son of God. Those being referenced to in Ps 82 are not called "THE" sons of God. Only Jesus is THE one and only unique only-begotten Son of God. Jesus proves His claim by pointing to His miracles. Those in Ps 82 never performed a single miracle.

Jesus was able to stop the mob from killing Him using ps 82 as a head scratcher to his attackers to throw them off long enough so He could escape. The WOF people read too much into this and therefore miss the whole point of Jesus declaring that He is truley The Son Of God.

Okay.... what is your point and who do you think here is claiming faith in anything BUT THE Son of GOD?

 

[miknik5]

Yes - And not only a promise of Eternal Life but an experience of truth in living. We will never be "gods," yet we are transformed by and into One - namely Jesus Christ. “It is the ‘inclusive’ death of the Lord which puts me in a position to identify myself, not that I identify myself in order to be included. It is God’s inclusion of me in Christ that matters.”

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have you filled up in your flesh yet?
are you aware that you are flesh and that flesh and blood will not and can no inherit the kingdom of GOD
And are you aware that NOONE who belongs to HIM will dare to boast in their flesh?

 

[JaumeJ]

i agree that Jesus would have spoken Hebrew to those who were the teachers of the law. And especially in the temple

The Hebrew authorities wanted badly to get our Lord on some charge that could beconstrued as valid. Had it come back to them that Jesus, Who went to the original Flock first, would have taken care not to be caught up in such a charge. Remember how the Apostle was ostracized for being suspected of bringing in uncircumcised into the Temple....Teaching Yahweh's Word would have been forbidden in any language but that of the temple..it seems to me any who.

 

[know1]

John 10:34 is all about Jesus being the Son of God but you are twisting it to be all about you.

Actually what I am saying is-

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Contrary to what you say, it's not about me, but who is in me doing the works.

 

[slave]

have you filled up in your flesh yet?
are you aware that you are flesh and that flesh and blood will not and can no inherit the kingdom of GOD
And are you aware that NOONE who belongs to HIM will dare to boast in their flesh?

I would never dare boast; except in my Lord. But, "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord."

 

[DevotiontoBible]

It is probably a good idea, practice, to always think in terms of Jesus speaking, teaching the Gospel to the Jews that He would be speaking in Hebrew, some would argue Aramaic, the lingua franca at the time.

In the Temple it is certain He would have spoken Hebrew while dealing with the scribes, Pharisees, Priests etc, otherwise they would have "nailed Him" with a v alid accusation of bringing in a language of teh nations. It is most likely He always spoke Hebrew when teaching no matter when or where.

I don't want to derail the thread but I'm of the opinion Jesus taught in Greek. That is why the Gospels are written in Greek. It explains why so many Greek gentiles came to hear Jesus. Jesus and His disciples were Gallileeans (Greek speakers). Many of His disciples had Greek names. The Gospel and New Testament authors quote mainly from the Greek OT Bible. What language did Jesus have a conversation with Pilate and all the Roman solders He met along His time here on earth? Probably Greek. I'm sure He spoke in at least 3 languages much like Europeans today can speak in more than one language.

 

[slave]

have you filled up in your flesh yet?
are you aware that you are flesh and that flesh and blood will not and can no inherit the kingdom of GOD
And are you aware that NOONE who belongs to HIM will dare to boast in their flesh?

I have flesh; but I no longer live in it. I am of spirit and soul in my New Creation, and the flesh that remains is under God's control as I obey Him faithfully.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Okay.... what is your point and who do you think here is claiming faith in anything BUT THE Son of GOD?

WOF'rs faith is in themselves being a god but this section of Scripture is about having faith in Jesus Christ being God.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Actually what I am saying is-

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Contrary to what you say, it's not about me, but who is in me doing the works.

But John 10:34 isn't about you in any way. It's all about Jesus and His Divinity. But thanks for confirming my point that you think it's all about you.

 

[miknik5]

Yes - And not only a promise of Eternal Life but an experience of truth while living here on earth as well. We will never be "gods," yet we are transformed by and into One - namely Jesus Christ. Thus, our disposition is in Christ. “It is the ‘inclusive’ death of the Lord which puts me in a position to identify myself, not that I identify myself in order to be included. It is God’s inclusion of me in Christ that matters.”

​

have you filled up in your flesh yet?
are you aware that you are flesh and that flesh and blood will not and can no inherit the kingdom of GOD
And are you aware that NOONE who belongs to HIM will dare to boast in their flesh?

Please forgive me for my above post

i misunderstood and also thought that i was responding to a certain poster

 

[miknik5]

WOF'rs faith is in themselves being a god but this section of Scripture is about having faith in Jesus Christ being God.

They misinterpret the scriptures and incorrectly claim that having the mind of Christ (which they don’t have because they are not born again of HIS SPIRIT through TRUE FAITH directed in and on HIM
alone) is some sort of collective consciousness

just believe and what is believed is yours

its very new agey and a lie

 

[stonesoffire]

Now it’s gone into a discussion of multiple gods which there are no other gods but the GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST

And if there are people and spirits suggesting they are gods they are nothing more than liars

There are demonic spirits behind the idols of the goat nations. You are correct Miknik. They are not deity.

 

[miknik5]

When 2 Thessalonians 2 actually happens...what will they speak into their faith consciousness?

 

[stonesoffire]

They misinterpret the scriptures and incorrectly claim that having the mind of Christ (which they don’t have because they are not born again of HIS SPIRIT through TRUE FAITH directed in and on HIM
alone) is some sort of collective consciousness

just believe and what is believed is yours

its very new agey and a lie

and this is error. It's putting faith in the promises and holding until the "mountain" moves. No one not born from above would even understand this.

The power of positive thinking is the false and is ofvthecworld spirit.

 

[jaybird88]

It's a strawman because they tried to arrest Jesus after quoting ps 82 because Jesus stated He is "the Son of God " not because Jesus was saying they are gods too (which He wasn't saying).

and when Jesus says He is the Son of the Most High, what He "really" means is that He is a common mortal man judge like any other judge we see walking around today? to believe Jesus is more than that is a strawman?
and what of those men of the skies, no one wants to explain how they got up there?

 

[stonesoffire]

When 2 Thessalonians 2 actually happens...what will they speak into their faith consciousness?

What is faith consciousness?