What does this mean: "I have said, Ye are gods..."
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yes and consider the two different ministries between Elijah and Elisha
Elijah destroyed the false proohets
Elisha didn’t destroy. He did his best to restore
we are HIS BODY but if we go out from this present ministry and “rain fire down from heaven” we make manifest that we do not truly know of whose spirit we are of”
Elijah destroyed the false proohets
Elisha didn’t destroy. He did his best to restore
we are HIS BODY but if we go out from this present ministry and “rain fire down from heaven” we make manifest that we do not truly know of whose spirit we are of”
I think many here are missing the meaning of the original language due to KJV translation. If you really want to split heairs El, Elohim etc should have never been translated as "god "God" "gods" etc. God/Gawd is a completely different word used in Isaiah 65, but that is a whole other issue.
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
See also: H430, H426
H410 אֵל 'el (ale) n-m.
1. firm strength, sturdiness.
2. (figuratively) a firm grip (of the hand).
3. (as adjective) sturdy (as indomitable, supreme durability).
4. (an abbreviated spelling, but especially) God, as the Superior or Indomitable Strength (but used also of any deity).
5. (hence) a god (as created or imagined).
{often used as a suffix in names, “-el”}
[shortened from H352]
KJV: God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong.
Root(s): H352
Compare: H7706
See also: H430, H433, G2241
H352 אַיִל 'ayil (ah'-yil) n-m.
1. (properly) (intrinsic) strength, sturdiness.
2. (hence) anything strong or sturdy.
3. (specifically, politically) a chief.
4. (also) a ram (from his strength).
5. a pillar or pilaster (as a sturdy support).
6. an oak or other strong, sturdy tree.
[from the same as H193]
KJV: mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.
Root(s): H193
See also: H410, H356, H354, H361, H362, H5756
H193 אוּל 'uwl (ool) n-m.
1. the body (as being rolled together).
2. (also) powerful.
[from an unused root meaning to twist together, by implication, to be sturdy, strong]
KJV: mighty, strength.
Compare: H202, H6108
See also: H352, H410
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
See also: H430, H426
H410 אֵל 'el (ale) n-m.
1. firm strength, sturdiness.
2. (figuratively) a firm grip (of the hand).
3. (as adjective) sturdy (as indomitable, supreme durability).
4. (an abbreviated spelling, but especially) God, as the Superior or Indomitable Strength (but used also of any deity).
5. (hence) a god (as created or imagined).
{often used as a suffix in names, “-el”}
[shortened from H352]
KJV: God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong.
Root(s): H352
Compare: H7706
See also: H430, H433, G2241
H352 אַיִל 'ayil (ah'-yil) n-m.
1. (properly) (intrinsic) strength, sturdiness.
2. (hence) anything strong or sturdy.
3. (specifically, politically) a chief.
4. (also) a ram (from his strength).
5. a pillar or pilaster (as a sturdy support).
6. an oak or other strong, sturdy tree.
[from the same as H193]
KJV: mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.
Root(s): H193
See also: H410, H356, H354, H361, H362, H5756
H193 אוּל 'uwl (ool) n-m.
1. the body (as being rolled together).
2. (also) powerful.
[from an unused root meaning to twist together, by implication, to be sturdy, strong]
KJV: mighty, strength.
Compare: H202, H6108
See also: H352, H410
Just because the KJV translated El an Elohim as God does not mean it is correct, this is factually the word "god"
H1409 גָּד gad (gawd) n-m.
fortune.
[from H1464 (in the sense of distributing)]
KJV: troop.
Root(s): H1464
H1464 גּוּד guwd (goode) v.
1. to crowd upon.
2. attack.
[a primitive root (akin to H1413)]
KJV: invade, overcome.
Root(s): H1413
H1413 גָּדַד gadad (gaw-dad') v.
1. to crowd.
2. (also) to gash (as if by pressing into).
[a primitive root]
KJV: assemble (selves by troops), gather (selves together, self in troops), cut selves.
Compare: H1464
H1409 גָּד gad (gawd) n-m.
fortune.
[from H1464 (in the sense of distributing)]
KJV: troop.
Root(s): H1464
H1464 גּוּד guwd (goode) v.
1. to crowd upon.
2. attack.
[a primitive root (akin to H1413)]
KJV: invade, overcome.
Root(s): H1413
H1413 גָּדַד gadad (gaw-dad') v.
1. to crowd.
2. (also) to gash (as if by pressing into).
[a primitive root]
KJV: assemble (selves by troops), gather (selves together, self in troops), cut selves.
Compare: H1464
Do you think if I believed a little bit harder my father and mother would not have died and would have been physically healed?
is it my lack of faith then which allowed my parents to pass away?
paul didn’t accuse GOD or himself when those whom he loved were taken from him. But when GOD spared him the sorrow of losing another brother, he thanked GOD for it
And why couldn’t Paul with CHRIST so powerfully at work in him, keep those whom he loved from suffering and death?
is it my lack of faith then which allowed my parents to pass away?
paul didn’t accuse GOD or himself when those whom he loved were taken from him. But when GOD spared him the sorrow of losing another brother, he thanked GOD for it
And why couldn’t Paul with CHRIST so powerfully at work in him, keep those whom he loved from suffering and death?
No worries miknik5,
Everything in you life happen according to Romans 8:28 on the bottom of this post.
Sure we can do anything with the HS residing in us:
Php. 4:13: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
But we do not know the future, the past and the present that God operates in; all at the same time. Therefore we have to think like Jesus does knowing all these things.
Php. 2:5: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
Think of thanking God for unanswered prayer (or saying no to us). I can recall instances where God did not let me have something and I can see the problems, it would have entailed, had He granted my prayer. Just something to think about.
Yours,
Deade
Everything in you life happen according to Romans 8:28 on the bottom of this post.
Sure we can do anything with the HS residing in us:
Php. 4:13: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
But we do not know the future, the past and the present that God operates in; all at the same time. Therefore we have to think like Jesus does knowing all these things.
Php. 2:5: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
Think of thanking God for unanswered prayer (or saying no to us). I can recall instances where God did not let me have something and I can see the problems, it would have entailed, had He granted my prayer. Just something to think about.
Yours,
Deade
I notice that some here are trying to slam the KJV for "incorrectly* translating *elohim* in Psalm 82:6. I just want to say that that is PURE NONSENSE, since every English translation has the same word.
Here is the Hebrew from the interlinear: [TABLE="class: tablefloatheb"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]430 [e]
’ĕ·lō·hîm
אֱלֹהִ֣ים
You gods[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR]
[TD]"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'
I say, 'You are gods; you are all children of the Most High.
I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.
"Indeed I said, 'You are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High.
I thought, 'You are gods; all of you are sons of the Most High.'
I have said, “You are gods; you are all children of The Highest!
I said, "You are gods. You are all sons of the Most High.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are sons of the most High.
I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High.
I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.
I have said, Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High;
I said, Ye are gods, and all of you sons of the Most High.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High.
I said, "You are gods, all of you are sons of the Most High.
I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you,
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Here is the Hebrew from the interlinear: [TABLE="class: tablefloatheb"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]430 [e]
’ĕ·lō·hîm
אֱלֹהִ֣ים
You gods[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR]
[TD]"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'
I say, 'You are gods; you are all children of the Most High.
I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.
"Indeed I said, 'You are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High.
I thought, 'You are gods; all of you are sons of the Most High.'
I have said, “You are gods; you are all children of The Highest!
I said, "You are gods. You are all sons of the Most High.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are sons of the most High.
I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High.
I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.
I have said, Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High;
I said, Ye are gods, and all of you sons of the Most High.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High.
I said, "You are gods, all of you are sons of the Most High.
I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you,
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
No worries miknik5,
Everything in you life happen according to Romans 8:28 on the bottom of this post.
Sure we can do anything with the HS residing in us:
Php. 4:13: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
But we do not know the future, the past and the present that God operates in; all at the same time. Therefore we have to think like Jesus does knowing all these things.
Php. 2:5: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
Think of thanking God for unanswered prayer (or saying no to us). I can recall instances where God did not let me have something and I can see the problems, it would have entailed, had He granted my prayer. Just something to think about.
Yours,
Deade
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Everything in you life happen according to Romans 8:28 on the bottom of this post.
Sure we can do anything with the HS residing in us:
Php. 4:13: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
But we do not know the future, the past and the present that God operates in; all at the same time. Therefore we have to think like Jesus does knowing all these things.
Php. 2:5: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
Think of thanking God for unanswered prayer (or saying no to us). I can recall instances where God did not let me have something and I can see the problems, it would have entailed, had He granted my prayer. Just something to think about.
Yours,
Deade
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and are called according to HIS purpose. I have learned that all things are under HIS SOVEREIGN control but what I went through over a teo year period did awaken in me a hatred of sickness, suffering and death
I didn't know what you were referring to, no. I was responding to what I thought heartofdavid said.
Why would it be your faith that would heal your parents? We all have our,personal mountains. I have faith for my children, because the promises state specifically you and your seed and your seeds seed.
Why would it be your faith that would heal your parents? We all have our,personal mountains. I have faith for my children, because the promises state specifically you and your seed and your seeds seed.