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stonesoffire

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Heb 11:1 defines faith. Name anything Jesus does not see that He needs to hope for it?
I can't say I understand what you're asking but I can tell, you still don't know what faith is, and I guess you're going to try and give me a lesson.
So if you would, why don't you tell me what you think I got wrong so I know what you're trying to get at?
 
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I can't say I understand what you're asking but I can tell, you still don't know what faith is, and I guess you're going to try and give me a lesson.
So if you would, why don't you tell me what you think I got wrong so I know what you're trying to get at?
Answer my question. I stated it clearly and simply.
 

know1

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Answer my question. I stated it clearly and simply.
Apparently you didn't state it clear or simple enough.
Like I said, I can't answer your question if I don't understand what it is you're asking.
Otherwise, I would be more than eager to give you the answer you might be looking for.
So if you would kindly rephrase the question in a way that I might understand, I would be happy to reply.
 
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Originally Posted by DevotiontoBible
Heb 11:1 defines faith. Name anything Jesus does not see that He needs to hope for it?

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can't make hide nor hair out of this question -
 
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Originally Posted by DevotiontoBible
Heb 11:1 defines faith. Name anything Jesus does not see that He needs to hope for it?

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can't make hide nor hair out of this question -
He claims that Jesus worked miracles by using faith. Now does that make sense out of my question to him?
 
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know1

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He made the claim, now he needs to support it or admit that he has no idea what he is saying.
You asked me if Jesus used His faith to do miracles, and I said yes, are you suggesting He didn't because He doesn't hope for anything?
Still trying to figure it out.
 
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Apparently you didn't state it clear or simple enough.
Like I said, I can't answer your question if I don't understand what it is you're asking.
Otherwise, I would be more than eager to give you the answer you might be looking for.
So if you would kindly rephrase the question in a way that I might understand, I would be happy to reply.
You don't understand Heb 11:1 as the definition of faith? I can't make it any more simple. You claim Jesus worked miracles by faith, so tell me, according to what is faith as defined by Heb 11:1: what does Jesus not see that He has to hope for it -or what does He not see that He needs faith for it? It really a very simple question which you should be able to answer if your assertion about Jesus is true.
 
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You asked me if Jesus used His faith to do miracles, and I said yes, are you suggesting He didn't because He doesn't hope for anything?
Still trying to figure it out.
He is omniscient and omnipotent. He is God. Jesus did miracles because He is God and doesn't need faith. We need faith because we can't see the future nor can we see God.
 
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I'm sure that Christ hopes that we use the Faith that He has
so lovingly given to us - if we do, we are able to build upon it...
 

stonesoffire

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He is omniscient and omnipotent. He is God. Jesus did miracles because He is God and doesn't need faith. We need faith because we can't see the future nor can we see God.
He didn't do anything on His own, but out of unity with Father, so would He not have to have faith at these times? And what about when God turned away from Him while on the Cross? And being brought up from hell?
 
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The above pastor makes a simple mistake.
His revelation is the judgement seat of God at the close of the current age.
But he is mixing this up with politics, economics and peoples desires.

Sport, TV all survives on people paying money into there services.
When was this ever an expression of Gods favour, rather it is mans favour.

It implies that God is going to bring down these organisations and actively
make righteous people rich. Good business people who do good business
tend to accumulate wealth.

So many prophecies have talked judgement and revival, year in year out, yet
they have turned out to be false prophecy.

Will these preachers who have given false prophecy then admit they were not
speaking the words of God, but bringing their ministry into disrepute.

A simple test is if the prophecy is too big and grandious, it is probably mania and
nothing to do with the Lord. If all the ideas are things we think would be good
to happen, it is just wishful thinking.

Truly churches who have lost their saltiness will collapse and fall, but nothing
to do with Gods judgement, rather they have lost they reason they exist and
people will just walk away.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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The above pastor makes a simple mistake.
His revelation is the judgement seat of God at the close of the current age.
But he is mixing this up with politics, economics and peoples desires.

Sport, TV all survives on people paying money into there services.
When was this ever an expression of Gods favour, rather it is mans favour.

It implies that God is going to bring down these organisations and actively
make righteous people rich. Good business people who do good business
tend to accumulate wealth.

So many prophecies have talked judgement and revival, year in year out, yet
they have turned out to be false prophecy.

Will these preachers who have given false prophecy then admit they were not
speaking the words of God, but bringing their ministry into disrepute.

A simple test is if the prophecy is too big and grandious, it is probably mania and
nothing to do with the Lord. If all the ideas are things we think would be good
to happen, it is just wishful thinking.

Truly churches who have lost their saltiness will collapse and fall, but nothing
to do with Gods judgement, rather they have lost they reason they exist and
people will just walk away.

you see, these new prophets REFUSE to obey scripture

the NT states that more than one prophet should speak yet these folks constantly say God told them to say this or that or whatever

the new age self appointed prophets of NAR believe they are the leaders now...in other words follow their prophecies and the Bible is 2nd...an open doorway to hell IMO

the emotions mean aboslutely nothing whatsoever

the season of men being in charge is over?

do these folks read the Bible?

when was God never in charge?

they prophesy by another spirit out of their own spirits...NOT Gods'

sure it sounds all tough and stuff...but when nothing out of the usual happens 2019 will bring in a slew of new end of the age warnings

So many prophecies have talked judgement and revival, year in year out, yet
they have turned out to be false prophecy.
and they never apologize, try to fathom why they were wrong or why people don't even listen any more

this constant crying wolf type prophecy (it's not actual prophecy) only HARDENS hearts..BECAUSE it is NOT the Holy Spirit
 
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He didn't do anything on His own, but out of unity with Father, so would He not have to have faith at these times? And what about when God turned away from Him while on the Cross? And being brought up from hell?
God doesn't need faith. God the Son submitted His will to God the Father. The Son didn't act independently on His own. There never was a time Jesus wasn't God. There never was a time Jesus wasn't Himself omniscient and omnipotent. You are getting into the Nestorian heresy and the born again Jesus heresy.
 

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...And being brought up from hell?
You mean brought up from Hades. Big difference. The WOF preachers talk about Christ being in Hell, but that is simply untrue. No one has entered the Lake of Fire (eternal Hell, called "Gehenna"). After Christ died on the Cross, His body was entombed but His spirit and soul were in Hades for three days and three nights, following which He was resurrected. But the penalty for the sin of the world was fully paid on the Cross.
 
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Are you referencing that song " till I saw a little lily pushing up a heavy clod, and I marveled at the wisdom of my God"?

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no, i dont recall ever hearing a song with lyrics like that.



The Lord speaks through his creation and gives wisdom to the prudent
Did you know there is a lilly that blooms both in the autuum and spring months
 
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valleyofdecision

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God doesn't need faith. God the Son submitted His will to God the Father. The Son didn't act independently on His own. There never was a time Jesus wasn't God. There never was a time Jesus wasn't Himself omniscient and omnipotent. You are getting into the Nestorian heresy and the born again Jesus heresy.
Jesus was never omniscient or omnipotent. He was anointed with power and the Holy Ghost-Acts 10:38.

Jesus operated in all 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit, found in 1 Cor 12. You can see every gift being operated in in most of his miracles recorded in the Gospel of John. He did not do miracles with his God Powers, he laid them down as Philippians 2 says he did.

If Jesus did not need faith, then Luke 22:39-44 and Isaiah 53:1-3 are lies and so is Hebrews 5:7-10
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7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.

Many of the Psalms and 2 in Particular are David Prophesying Jesus and his anguish and need to have faith and the fact he had faith in his own Father. How could Jesus be the author and finisher of faith if he never needed or had it?

You seem to be pushing that Jesus did everything because he was the son of God and that is simply not true and Acts 10:38 and Luke 4:14 prove it.
 
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valleyofdecision

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He didn't do anything on His own, but out of unity with Father, so would He not have to have faith at these times? And what about when God turned away from Him while on the Cross? And being brought up from hell?
Psalm 16:10 is Jesus speaking

For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol;
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.