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loveme1

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How many on here believe that Paul was not a legitimate apostle; and please give reasons for your answer.
Is Saul among the Prophets?

age ole question.

Paul is legit and well placed.

Many idolise him and some reject..

Peter warns us to take care with his epistles... some are willing to make women stay silent and cover their heads based on what Paul wrote to a specific group yet when the Lord gives messages to Churches in Revelation that is not for them.

Paul had quite a journey sharing the Lord’s Testimony and suffered persecution but the Lord’s Testament through His Blood and suffering is our Gracious gift not Paul.
 
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Is Saul among the Prophets?

age ole question.

Paul is legit and well placed.

Many idolise him and some reject..

Peter warns us to take care with his epistles... some are willing to make women stay silent and cover their heads based on what Paul wrote to a specific group yet when the Lord gives messages to Churches in Revelation that is not for them.

Paul had quite a journey sharing the Lord’s Testimony and suffered persecution but the Lord’s Testament through His Blood and suffering is our Gracious gift not Paul.

1 COR. 7:12 " But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away."


paul does this a few times explaining this is my word not the lords. i think if we understood paul wasnt perfect either, as He himelf says , and peter wasnt perfect, He had prejudice toward greek Jews, and gentiles in the book of acts. these werent perfect men, they were men and women Like us.

technically mary magdalene is the first person to preach the good news of Jesus resurrection. i think the subject of male v female can be discerned when a person sees that mary was the One who refused to leave the tomb outside crying for Jesus. Had that been peter, John, martha or any other that remained there Loving Jesus so deeply, Jesus would have comforted and sent to tell the good news to His Beloved.

God cares about who we are in His sight, not who we are in the sight of men. women and men are no different in Gods eyes, its the heart of a believer, male female, short, tall, black, whote, Jewish, non jewish. lame, blind, crippled, Healthy, weak, strong, broken, wounded whole and without a scar......its a matter of faith not gender. priscilla and aquilla were a husband and wife ministry team. priscilla travels with paul and barnabus and luke in thier travels and many conclude had a hand in the book of Hebrews.


Paul says this

1 timothy 2 " Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."


then He says

1 corinthians 11 "
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

13Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. 16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God."


if the reason for women needing to have authority on her head, is because she was made of man, yet in the Lord man is of woman. it seems to me, that paul is saying " i do not permit a woman to teach but must learn in full submission" " I perceive it to be a shame for a man to have Long hair" yet there are no such customs in the churches of God. Because male and female is a trivial and insignificant identification oin Christ. there is no difference If a woman is called to preach, she should from the rooftops, if a man is not called to preach, but to serve the female pastor and Help Her, they should do that with gladness and gratitude.


Paul is no the end all tell all, He is an imperfect man by His own words. But Paul was the One searching for a pearl of great price, and when He found it, he sold all he had to buy that field where the pearl was found. i think if we can understand " the carnal Law" that male and female would naturally be an issue because its about temporal things, natural things, it comes as result of transgression. so the womens place is where the curse placed her under the man, but when the Gospel comes and One accepts it and abides in Christ. like the carnality of the law, that principle goes with Jesus removing the curse.
 
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To constantly say I don't understand something and not provide evidence is pretty lame.....im providing sources....prove me wrong otherwise....
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you have proven yourself by yourself to be devoid of Spiritual understanding,
un-teachable, and of carnal thinking, 100%...
 

Marcelo

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I know full well there are people on this forum who do not believe Paul was a true apostle. I am still waiting to hear from them and find out why they believe this.
One of our CC brothers PMed me that he has doubts about Paul, but won't share it publicly so as not to shake the faith of others.

There are many Christians around the world who don't completely trust Paul, and this is the reason why so many red letter Bibles have been printed.

I myself had doubts about the spiritual authority of Paul because of the differences between the Gospel preached by the earthly Jesus and the risen Jesus (through His spokesman Paul).


 
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kaylagrl

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One of our CC brothers PMed me that he has doubts about Paul, but won't share it publicly so as not to shake the faith of others.

There are many Christians around the world who don't completely trust Paul, and this is the reason why so many red letter Bibles have been printed.

I myself had doubts about the spiritual authority of Paul because of the differences between the Gospel preached by the earthly Jesus and the risen Jesus (through His spokesman Paul).





​This belongs in the conspiracy forum.smh Nonsense.
 
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One of our CC brothers PMed me that he has doubts about Paul, but won't share it publicly so as not to shake the faith of others.

There are many Christians around the world who don't completely trust Paul, and this is the reason why so many red letter Bibles have been printed.

I myself had doubts about the spiritual authority of Paul because of the differences between the Gospel preached by the earthly Jesus and the risen Jesus (through His spokesman Paul).


The following and this is exactly why this issue arises....

Two things stand out at me concerning Paul's apostleship......

a. Many reject what Paul has to say because it contradicts their religious persuasion......
b. Many reject what Paul has to say because on a cursory glance it seems to contradict what Jesus taught......

In my mind one of the biggest errors committed today by many is the simple fact that the words of JESUS are not interpreted in light of the fact that he was born, lived and died UNDER THE LAW which RATIFIED the NEW COVENANT.......The words of JESUS and of PAUL must be interpreted in light of this fact.

The "many things" that JESUS still had to say, but the disciples were NOT YET READY are found in the inspired words of PAUL unto the churches......

PAUL was definitely the apostle unto the Lord's churches and unto the Gentiles that were being folded in with the JEWS as the two became one......
 
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kaylagrl

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I never said Luke has no credibility plus not all scripture is God inspired....take the genealogies in Genesis and Numbers.....is there any "spiritual value" in those other than to show lineage? no....yet it is deemed "scripture" does that mean God necessarily said hey Moses write down these genealogies .....no it could be Moses just wrote them to keep a record or history....

Most of the scripture is God inspired but a good portion of it is manipulated by men both in ancient times and also the modern freemasons (francis bacon) who helped assemble the modern KJV version of the Bible....there are tons of instances in the Bible of scripture manipulation....where in Malachi it talks of the "Sun of righteousness" no that isn't talking about God or Jesus but the winged sun-disc false god Ra.....yet people will just gloss over this example as no big deal....

also I don't believe everything peter "wrote" as well...such as charity covers a multitude of sins....that is b.s. RCC teaching - pay money to get forgiveness of sins....or do some works to get forgiveness...that is anti-Christian teaching and false doctrine....you can only get forgiveness via Jesus not works money or anything else....

Your name is Peter and upon this rock will I build this church....More RCC manipulation...was Peter the most important apostle? no.....i highly doubt Jesus would say that to Peter in front of all his other disciples....essentially dismissing the others....



I never said Luke has no credibility plus not all scripture is God inspired.

​There's your problem right there son.
 

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Paul's was a very special calling. What other person had to be knocked down and blinded by Jesus Himself. I am sure the disciples that Paul was hunting down and killing prayed for his conversion. Paul was zealous and very good at what he did. He thought he was doing God service oppressing these Christians. Until he found his God was behind it.

Paul could talk to non Jews like no other. His epistle to the Romans has helped me understand much of what Jesus taught.
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kaylagrl

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I follow Jesus the sinless one....not a sinner named Paul.....he's not my role model....only Jesus is....

and yes you can continue with the personal attacks for lack of ability to debate civily....



Paul was saying to imitate him AS he imitates Christ.

Gal. 1-....but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


Paul was following Christ so much that he said if I come back and preach another gospel don't believe me. Paul wasn't saying to follow him,not in the least. He was saying do as I do because I'm following Christ.He certainly knew he was a sinner saved by grace.
 
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kaylagrl

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I have issues with several verses in Paul's letters such as the verse in 1 Corinthians 9 about being "all things to all people"....this cannot be as you cannot be a drug dealer to witness to a drug dealer .....its just does not make sense.....

Yes if you like to use scripture that is fine, but I prefer that you cross reference Paul's writings with what Jesus said (4 gospels) and if they line up....i will say some things do line up but a lot of things Paul said seems more pharasee/judaism type leanings imo....

Most of Paul's writings deal with OT type institutions such as church/synagogue heirarchy, women's role in the church/appearance, but I believe under the new covenant with Jesus these were all "old and unnecessary" religious rituals that Paul through his misguided judaism roots wanted to re-enslave christians to the OT rulebook of the Jews.....with arcane rules about women, and authority following of leaders etc....Jesus never said to do this....imo....


You misunderstand what Paul was saying about becoming all things to all people. I was in ministry for years and traveled in all denominations. My background is Pentecost,but we didn't got to a Baptist church and push Pentecostal beliefs. We preached salvation wherever we went,what church they attended after we left was their business.In a sense we became all things to all people. We even went to a couple Catholic churches and preached the same salvation gospel. You can be all things to all people and not compromise the message. No where did he say be a sinner to reach sinners.Thats ridiculous and an extremely immature understanding of Scripture.
 
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​Thanks for the rep comment,love you too brother.
 

Nehemiah6

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What legitimacy of Paul? His feet that bring the good news? Christ declared if He does not wash our feet with the gospel we have no part with Him. Why would we think of men above that which is written? Is that what you are saying?
What I am saying is that if Peter -- writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit -- places ALL of Paul's epistles alongside the Holy Scriptures, then it means that Paul's epistles are Scripture. That is NOT elevating a man, but dealing with reality.
 
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kaylagrl

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Thanks for the second rep comment. I guess Im on the right path here.
 

hornetguy

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Whoa! What then do they do with the following:

Acts 13:21: "And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years."

Romans 11:1: "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."


Philippians 3:5: "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;"

So Paul wasn't of Judah, but was of the Israelite tribe of Benjamin. When the Northern tribes were taken captive by the Assyrians, Benjamin and Simeon were assimilated into Judah. Technically he wasn't a Jew but he wasn't a gentile either.
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Paul was a Pharisee, for cryin out loud. He studied as a young man under Gamaliel, which would compare roughly with getting a Harvard education...
 
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kaylagrl

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Thank you,I now have three reps to pay back. We must always be careful that we do not fall into error. I believe Paul was humble,he knew he was saved by the grace and mercy of God. But he was also bold which people often mistake as arrogance,it is not the same thing. Paul was a martyr for the gospel. Are we that assured of our faith? We all say we would,but we have not yet been tested. Paul was definitely a follower of Christ.Anyone who denies this misunderstands Scripture and is taking random verses out of context,the reason for most heresies.
 
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kaylagrl

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​Well noname I have to spread the reps. :( Can someone rep in my place?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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​Well noname I have to spread the reps. :( Can someone rep in my place?
hahaha

no need

its fine kayla

:D

i just really liked that post

thank you though
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RickyZ

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Reps should be given on an earned basis and not traded like playing cards or favors. Jmho.
 
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Reps should be given on an earned basis and not traded like playing cards or favors. Jmho.
Did anyone do that or indicate that they are passed out like peanuts at the circus.......
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Reps should be given on an earned basis and not traded like playing cards or favors. Jmho.
hm

to me they can be given for encouragement
a secret memo
great post


or to just show love

i give out the max many days

never do i expect one in return

(and rarely do i get one in return)

but we all have opinions lol