The King James Bible

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Joseppi

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Dino246 said:
No, what you did was demonstrate (not "prove") that in one case where the phrase, "God breathed" was used, the result was not Scripture.



Regardless of the translation used, the natural man has no understanding of spiritual things without the Holy Spirit. Your assertion of "soulishly-produced bibles" is groundless, meaningless, and worthless.



You missed the point... again. I carefully did not quote the whole paragraph.



Another personal attack. Keep showing the true nature of your heart.
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Dino246 said:
On what do you base this bold assertion? Have you done any homework on the subject? Are you competent in ancient Greek and Hebrew, and have you examined the scrolls for yourself?

For that matter, can you explain the difference between a scroll and a codex? Between a manuscript and an edition? Between papyrus and vellum? Between miniscules and uncials?
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Look it up, you will find it. There are plenty of websites and sources and historical documents the present this as a fact
 
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Joseppi said:
The modern bible publisher seeking filthy lucre are not only presenting corrupt texts, but are also knowingly trying to deceive readers into thinking that their modern improved bibles have erased scriptures.
They aren't men of God at all.
Their left hand knows precisely what their right hand is doing.
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This is unadulterated slander. Prove your assertions, or retract them.
 
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MichaelOwen said:
Look it up, you will find it. There are plenty of websites and sources and historical documents the present this as a fact
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Burden of proof reversal! You prove your assertions.
 
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MichaelOwen said:
I have always admired the King James because historically speaking, it is the closest living translation to the actual scrolls that were discovered.
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I wonder how did you check this.
 
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Joseppi

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Dino246 said:
On what do you base this bold assertion? Have you done any homework on the subject? Are you competent in ancient Greek and Hebrew, and have you examined the scrolls for yourself?

For that matter, can you explain the difference between a scroll and a codex? Between a manuscript and an edition? Between papyrus and vellum? Between miniscules and uncials?
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None of what apparently impresses you has yet produced anything useful to men reading and believing God's holy written word.in English.
What you suggest is needful is like a hungry man thinking he needs to be a chef to eat well.
 
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trofimus

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Joseppi said:
I prove it all the time by simple comparison of the modern bibles to the Holy Bible.
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But you never proved your assertion that the KJV version is the Holy Bible. Its like comparing NIV with ESV.

We all know that there are differences. What you try to conclude from this differences is totally unsupported by facts.
 
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Dino246 said:
Burden of proof reversal! You prove your assertions.
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No....the proof that the Holy Spirit speaks to me through reading the King James is all the proof I need. But I can tell you this, translations are translations....you better make sure you know who Jesus is and have the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you, if you truly want to understand.
 
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Joseppi

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Dino246,
Are you offended when a modern bible like the niv states that God authored confusion at Pentecost?
If not, why not?
 
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MichaelOwen said:
No....the proof that the Holy Spirit speaks to me through reading the King James is all the proof I need. But I can tell you this, translations are translations....you better make sure you know who Jesus is and have the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you, if you truly want to understand.
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If you prefer the KJV, that's fine; I have no issue with that. However, you made assertions as to historical fact, without providing a single shred of evidence. Your claim that the Holy Spirit spoke to you about the consistency between the KJV and historical scrolls not only is not evidence that would stand up in any formal examination, but as it is historically inaccurate (as the KJV was not translated from scrolls!), it is evidence of either your ignorance of the subject and/or that whatever "spirit" spoke to you is not of God.

As to the rest of your post, swinging around a truncated salvation message like a club does you no credit.
 
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Dino246 said:
If you prefer the KJV, that's fine; I have no issue with that. However, you made assertions as to historical fact, without providing a single shred of evidence. Your claim that the Holy Spirit spoke to you about the consistency between the KJV and historical scrolls not only is not evidence that would stand up in any formal examination, but as it is historically inaccurate (as the KJV was not translated from scrolls!), it is evidence of either your ignorance of the subject and/or that whatever "spirit" spoke to you is not of God.

As to the rest of your post, swinging around a truncated salvation message like a club does you no credit.
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There are multiple sources....go to Pastor John Hagees webpage and look there, that's a good source, and it has historical reference to the KJV.
 
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John146

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trofimus said:
But you never proved your assertion that the KJV version is the Holy Bible. Its like comparing NIV with ESV.

We all know that there are differences. What you try to conclude from this differences is totally unsupported by facts.
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There are differences in the NIV and ESV? So either one of them is the word of God or neither. Which one is it? Two bibles claiming to be the word of God would not be different in any way. God is not the author of confusion is He?
 
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MichaelOwen said:
There are multiple sources....go to Pastor John Hagees webpage and look there, that's a good source, and it has historical reference to the KJV.
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How did you check that this is a good source?
 
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"Rev. 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

This is a very serious thing. There are many interpretations of the Holy Scriptures out there other than the King James and all with copyrights. So did they do it for monetary gain? I hope not for their sakes. Why is it there are so many groups that think they can write a better book than God. All the books of the Bible were written by holy, anointed, and inspired men of God.
Over 40 of the most learned men of the time were employed in the translation of the King James. And what's described as 3 or 4 of the most Ancient and Grave Divines were the overseers of the translations. It took them 7 years of painstaking care to finish. Why would anyone think that they can do better. Many of these rewrites have altogether stripped away the meaning of the original and left mere nonsensical gibberish in its place. The King James is beautiful and rich with meaning. The others are distant poor cousins. If you want to read fiction, there are better choices out there.
 
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John146 said:
There are differences in the NIV and ESV? So either one of them is the word of God or neither. Which one is it? Two bibles claiming to be the word of God would not be different in any way. God is not the author of confusion is He?
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I never hold to the idea that the Bible I hold in my hand is "the word of God".

My view is this:

Words of God are saying or direct prophecies God gives/reveals to people.

Scriptures are writings containings these words of God.

Bible is a compilation, translation and print of various Scriptures.

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With this view I have no problem with some differences.
 
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MichaelOwen said:
There are multiple sources....go to Pastor John Hagees webpage and look there, that's a good source, and it has historical reference to the KJV.
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As I said, you prove your assertions.
 
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Dino246 said:
As I said, you prove your assertions.
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Well does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? What really matters is do you know, that you know, that you know? And that's Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?
 
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John146 said:
There are differences in the NIV and ESV? So either one of them is the word of God or neither. Which one is it? Two bibles claiming to be the word of God would not be different in any way. God is not the author of confusion is He?
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This is a false dichotomy, as has been explained previously.

When you can explain why the KJV is not identical in every respect to the Bishop's Bible, and Bishop's to Geneva, and Geneva to Tyndale, then your rhetoric may have merit.
 
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