The King James Bible
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Sorry to have to put it like this, but that is pure cow manure.
And, what is a "Grave Divine" ?? Sounds like something from Star Trek.
Some of the newer translations have used more translators than that, and from all spectrums of the religious world. They translate and cross check, and they are using thousands more recently uncovered documents than the KJV translators had available.
Your assertion is only your wishful thinking.
And, what is a "Grave Divine" ?? Sounds like something from Star Trek.
Some of the newer translations have used more translators than that, and from all spectrums of the religious world. They translate and cross check, and they are using thousands more recently uncovered documents than the KJV translators had available.
Your assertion is only your wishful thinking.
Three questions for you:
Why do you make such bold assertions, and when challenged, refuse to provide supporting evidence (direction to a web page is not evidence)?
Why do you join in a discussion about a specific topic and try to shear the discussion away when you cannot respond adequately to challenges made on that topic?
What suggests to you that I don't know Christ as Lord, that you would ask in such a brusque manner?
Why do you make such bold assertions, and when challenged, refuse to provide supporting evidence (direction to a web page is not evidence)?
Why do you join in a discussion about a specific topic and try to shear the discussion away when you cannot respond adequately to challenges made on that topic?
What suggests to you that I don't know Christ as Lord, that you would ask in such a brusque manner?
The fact is that, comparison of modern bibles with the Holy Bible proved falsehoods, erasures, and corruption found in modern bibles.
As for the avoidance of comparison accomplished pretending there exist superior scriptures in Greek and Hebrew or some modern bible can't be presented by you or anyone else.
You know why. Because it aint so. And when modern bible lovers are done posturing and obfuscating sooner or later a supposed scripture must eventually be presented as evidence of the work of scholars and other retranslstors. Then the truth becomes available for all common men to evaluate.
You have a superior modern bible? Dint tell how great your opinion of it is. Show us all the depth of your undetdtanding.
As for the avoidance of comparison accomplished pretending there exist superior scriptures in Greek and Hebrew or some modern bible can't be presented by you or anyone else.
You know why. Because it aint so. And when modern bible lovers are done posturing and obfuscating sooner or later a supposed scripture must eventually be presented as evidence of the work of scholars and other retranslstors. Then the truth becomes available for all common men to evaluate.
You have a superior modern bible? Dint tell how great your opinion of it is. Show us all the depth of your undetdtanding.
This is the second time I've seen this accusation below shown as "fact".
There are some even among modern translation users who believe that different publishing houses want their own translation of the Bible so they don't have to pay other publishing houses rights to use the text.
But I haven't found any solid factual proof of this; just beliefs of intents on the heart. I think this is another unprovable argument that should be dropped. It certainly doesn't speak to any textual issues related to the majority text or otherwise.
There are some even among modern translation users who believe that different publishing houses want their own translation of the Bible so they don't have to pay other publishing houses rights to use the text.
But I haven't found any solid factual proof of this; just beliefs of intents on the heart. I think this is another unprovable argument that should be dropped. It certainly doesn't speak to any textual issues related to the majority text or otherwise.
Something like....And the sons of Japeth as they spread out upon the distant Western Isles and build for themselves an empire where the sun doth not set will sprout forth the heavenly tongue in which will be sealed the perfect words of The Lord Thy God for all time. Yea! even an island of strange kings shall bringeth forth the holy vernacular from which thou shouldst not depart.
There is no scripture elevating a particular translation above another. I believe it goes back to comparing manuscripts to see the intent of the verses and words. And it shouldn't matter which side of the textual debate one finds themselves.
I also personally believe there is not one set of manuscripts (and thereby one set of translations) that should be worshipped; had God told us "use this translation and this translation only " - we'd be worshipping that particular Bible ... .. like ... it seems ... some rabid KJV onlyists ... do ... hmm.
I also personally believe there is not one set of manuscripts (and thereby one set of translations) that should be worshipped; had God told us "use this translation and this translation only " - we'd be worshipping that particular Bible ... .. like ... it seems ... some rabid KJV onlyists ... do ... hmm.
Actually, I think much can be said about the idea that we can actually trust the accuracy of the Scripture based on the number of manuscripts we possess. If the entire NT fell off the face of the earth today, we could reconstruct the text based on quotations from the early church fathers.
All of these copies and fragments are valuable, especially in comparing them one to another, to see God's pure word. No other documents in the history of the world have the kind of witness that God's word has.
All of these copies and fragments are valuable, especially in comparing them one to another, to see God's pure word. No other documents in the history of the world have the kind of witness that God's word has.
Something like....And the sons of Japeth as they spread out upon the distant Western Isles and build for themselves an empire where the sun doth not set will sprout forth the heavenly tongue in which will be sealed the perfect words of The Lord Thy God for all time. Yea! even an island of strange kings shall bringeth forth the holy vernacular from which thou shouldst not depart.
When I used to be a rabid KJVOist (now my bite is not so poisonous!] - I can see that there is somewhat of a comfort in thinking about what you believe. You know this is the Bible, this is God's word - and it's as simple as that.
When one realizes, however, the scope and magnitude of the manuscripts, which is actually proof that the Bible is true (rather than an impediment that there are these dreaded variants) - sometimes we think that surely the 1611 is good enough.
And to some degree, I do believe that if someone only used a KJV and prayed to the Holy Spirit and thoroughly read context - most everything needful for a fruitful Christian life is readily available.
But there is no way I can cut off half the body of Christ or more who have valuable lessons to teach me and who are loved by God simply by the translation that they use.
When one realizes, however, the scope and magnitude of the manuscripts, which is actually proof that the Bible is true (rather than an impediment that there are these dreaded variants) - sometimes we think that surely the 1611 is good enough.
And to some degree, I do believe that if someone only used a KJV and prayed to the Holy Spirit and thoroughly read context - most everything needful for a fruitful Christian life is readily available.
But there is no way I can cut off half the body of Christ or more who have valuable lessons to teach me and who are loved by God simply by the translation that they use.
Sorry if it's not very Christian of me ... but I'm reminded of Monty Python's holy grail: "And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once at the number three, being the third number be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'"
I'm sorry to say, I may have to throw this grenade at some of you.
I'm sorry to say, I may have to throw this grenade at some of you.
Jesus told us his words would never pass away and that the scriptures can't be broken, and he told us to go search the scriptures for they speak of him.
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us into all truth, that his words are spirit and life.
In volume of the book it is written of Jesus Christ.
The Bereans searched the scriptures to see if what they were told was true.
Paul told us that all tbat was written before was written to us to learn about righteousness.
Jesus reminded the Jews of what David wrote, what Moses wrote what Isaiah wrote etc....
There isnt one scripture that agrees with any notion that the scriptures would vanish.
The darkness of the dark ages occurred because ecclesiastics hid the gospel and the truth of the New Testament from the common man lest they lose their power over the masses.
You can pretend there exists a cult of what is call onlyistsb but the truth is that anyone believing the scriptures have always been opposed by those that invent man made doctrines and use corrupt scriptures to deceive the common man.
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us into all truth, that his words are spirit and life.
In volume of the book it is written of Jesus Christ.
The Bereans searched the scriptures to see if what they were told was true.
Paul told us that all tbat was written before was written to us to learn about righteousness.
Jesus reminded the Jews of what David wrote, what Moses wrote what Isaiah wrote etc....
There isnt one scripture that agrees with any notion that the scriptures would vanish.
The darkness of the dark ages occurred because ecclesiastics hid the gospel and the truth of the New Testament from the common man lest they lose their power over the masses.
You can pretend there exists a cult of what is call onlyistsb but the truth is that anyone believing the scriptures have always been opposed by those that invent man made doctrines and use corrupt scriptures to deceive the common man.