GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

Amen sister! What do you expect from someone who perverts the Gospel? We are not fooled by his trickery and deceit or his psycho babble and rhetoric. The Gospel is not simply defined as "Jesus" yet the good news is about Jesus (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The Gospel is also not simply defined as "the entire Word of God" for not everything contained in the Word of God is "good news." With his flawed logic, the fall of mankind, tribulation, suffering, death, hell etc.. (which is all mentioned in the Word of God) is good news.

LGF is severely confused and deceived. Prior to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, did believers understand the full picture of Christ dying on the cross for their sins? Later in His ministry, Jesus explained to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life (Matthew 16:21-22).

I see so just more of the same? Can't address the scriptures in the posts I send you, so attack the messenger. Although I guess if you have no scripture to share then that is all that is left in order to hold on to your Roman Catholic Church tradition of Sunday worship. Which ever way you want to spin it you have dug a hole for yourself MMD.

Posts # 4623 and post # 4624 provide a ton of scripture that disagrees with your definition of what the Gospel is. You choose to ignore these scriptures and the questions in those posts that challenge your understanding.

If you are not able to respond to these posts and cannot point out any error in them then you should at least ask yourself, is what you believe correct or not?

If you choose NOT to believe God's Word in order to follow your traditions I do not judge you. It is God's Word however that you have chosen to reject that will be our judge in the last days. (John 12:47-48)

Be warned, the scriptures teach;

In times of ignorance God winks at but now (when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth is come) calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

What happens if we do not repent when God' gives us a KNOWLEDGE of the truth?

Hebrews 10
26, For IF WE SIN WILLFULLY after that we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

The light of God's Word has come to you but as the scriptures say; some men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil. You do indeed choose to reject God's Word in order to follow your traditions that break the commandments of God and this is what you will be accountable for come judgement day unless you REPENT and BELIEVE the GOSPEL.

31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

It's interesting how LGF mainly points to the gospel "good news" of the kingdom which was preached to Israel by John the Baptist, Jesus and his disciples,

Most of what you then continue to write does not support your case at all or does it address the posts I sent you or the scriptures in them that disagree with you. So I will just comment on this section of your post above which is simply just a lie and a distraction from the scriptures posts and scriptures in them that you choose to ignore or not respond to.

Now MMD, are you arguing now that there is many different types of Gospels written about in God's Word? Gospel of the Kingdom, The Everlasting Gospel? Gospel of peace? Gospel of God? Gospel of Christ? Gospel of the circumcision? Gospel of the uncircumcision? What was the Gospel to Abraham? Gospel of salvation? Glorious Gospel? The Gospel of the Old Testament? The Gospel of the New Testament?

You do know your only digging a deeper hole for yourself don't you? The Gospel of the KINGDOM and all the other types of Gospels mentioned above in God's Word are all a part of the same Gospel and this is what I have shared scripture with you about in post # 4624

In the NEW COVENANT, God's Israel are those that BELIEVE God's WORD and FOLLOW it (Gal 3:16; 28; Romans 9:6; 2:28-29; Gal 3:28-29; Col 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Jer 31:33-34; Heb 8:10-12; 10:14-17)

but mentions nothing about Ephesians 3:1-9. He has very little to say about what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16 either.

Why would I need to mention these scriptures? I am arguing that your interpreation of the Gospel being limited to only the death, buriel and resurrection of Jesus is NOT correct or biblical. I have never once said that the death, buriel and resurrection of Jesus is not a part of the Gospel have I?

From the 2nd paragraph of post # 4624 (linked) below..

The death, burial and resurrection of Christ is a very important part of the Gospel but is that all there is to the Gospel?

You argue that the Gospel is ONLY limited to the death buriel and resurrection of Jesus. I am arguing through the scriptures that your interpretation of the Gospel is NOT correct and that the Gospel (good new) is JESUS and JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14) and the Gospel is ALL OF GOD'S WORD. The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is ALL THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

You can't pick and choose scripture my friend when Jesus tells us we are to live be EVERY WORD THE PROCEEDS from the mouth of God (Matt 4:4; Deut 8:3; 2 Tim 3:16) Even the scriptures you post testifiy against you and support the scripture sent you in post # 4624 (linked) because it is the Word of God.

*If the good news of the kingdom, prior to the cross has the exact same content as the gospel of grace after the cross, then Matthew 10:5-7; 16:21-22; Mark 16:14; Luke 18:31-34; 24:19-24, 44-47, along with Ephesians 3:1-9 are all superfluous passages of scripture. Before the cross, the gospel of grace that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery (Ephesians 3:3-9). In this age, therefore, there is a distinctive element to the content of the good news which is called "the mystery of the gospel" (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3). This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow-heirs and fellow-members of the body, and fellow-partakers of the promise (Ephesians 3:6). Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body, was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into ONE BODY (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13).

Hmm strawman much? Am I arguing that the Gospel (WORD OF GOD) prior to the death buriel and resurrection of Jesus is not a part of the WORD OF GOD (Gospel) or that the WORD OF GOD (Gospel) does not include the death, buriel and resurrection of Jesus?

You are making an argument that is not there my friend as everything you have posted only agrees with the scriptures posted to you in post # 4624 (linked) that the Gospel is Jesus and Jesus is the WORD OF GOD and that it is the ALL THE WORD OF GOD that is the Gospel. How can the Word of God not be a part of the Gospel when we are to live by EVERY WORD of it?

LGF doesn't seem to understand any of this and his message of "Jesus is the gospel and the gospel is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God that we are to obey" is just SDA propaganda and is a flat out deception!

And yet here you still are not having addressed all the scriptures in post # 4624 (linked) that disagree with your interpretation of the Gospel. The rest of what you have posted does not support your case that the Gospel is ONLY the death, buriel and resurrection. Please if you disagree with anthing I have posted please address my posts and the scriptures in them like I do with you. If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God.

SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

By teaching the gospel is EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God allows LGF to cherry pick whatever "works" that he wants from the word of God and "add" them to the Gospel and make them necessary for salvation (Galatians 1:6-9). In his case, salvation by obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment - keeping the Sabbath day holy - "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works") which is his "different" gospel and is a ministry of death! (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

Firstly it is not me that teaches that the Gospel is EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. It is Jesus.

Matthew 4:4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, MAN DOES NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD.

where was it written from?

Deuteronomy 8
3, And he humbled you, and suffered you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you knew not, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the LORD does man live.

Secondly, your lies about teaching works is getting a little boring especially when it has been made plain to you that I do not BELIEVE we are saved by WORKS and I have repeatedly said to you that we are SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OUTSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest any man should boast.

Where we disagree is that you believe you can be saved while continuing to live a life of SIN. God's Word does not teach that this is GRACE. God's Word teaches...

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH AMONG ALL NATIONS, FOR HIS NA ME.

Could you please tell me, if God's Word teaches, that the Gospel is JESUS and JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD and ALL THE WORD OF GOD IS THE GOSPEL, HOW can you cherry pick scripture if ALL the Word of God is the GOSPEL?

I would have thought if you got rid of most of the WORD of GOD like your doing and cherry picking scripture to say what the Gospel is then that would be cherry picking scripture isnt it because you have rejected nearly all of God's WORD to hold on to your belief?

You my friend indeed do NOT KNOW WHAT the GOSPEL is and are teaching another GOSPEL and another Jesus by rejecting God's WORD and cherry picking scripture in order to follow your Catholic tradition that break the commandments of God.

If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear Son (James 2:18: 20: 26). If your tree has no FRUIT it will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE come judgement day (Matthew 7:12-23). Now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth NOT forth good fruit is CUT down, and cast into the fire (Matthew 3:10).

If you are still in your SINS when he gives you a KNOWLEDGE of the truth then you do not KNOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another as he first LOVED you.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[PS]

I see so just more of the same?

Repetition deleted...

 

[lightbearer]

First of all you missed the point about the NEW Covenant, which is NOT the Old Covenant.

Missed the point? The post is sound; there is no arguing it. It is the Gospel. Please read it again.

Romans 10:6-8 is quote from Deut. 30:10-14. Paul paraphrased it so that they would look it up. We will start in verse six of Deut. so that it is clear that the Gospel was taught and available since Moses if not before.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
(Deu 30:6 KJV)

The fulfillment of this circumcision from GOD of Christ is stated in Deut 30:10-14. The readers of this letter would have been drawn to this passage from the beginning of the letter. It is written, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."(Rom 2:28-29 KJV)

Which GOD promised to do in Deut. 30:6. Which when he did he then spoke the fulfilment of it in verses 10-14. Please take notice to the present tense.

If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But
the wordis very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deut 30:10-14 KJV)

The LXX translation of this text adds "and in thy hand" to verse 14.

With the above text in mind please note that the phrases "HIS commandments and HIS statutes which are written in this book of the law" and "the Word" are being used synonymously. In this instance they are interchangeable. Please take notice that in Deut. 30 the Judgments are not mentioned.

With that being established let's take a look at Romans 10:6-8 now.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

So while the Israelis and Romans were reading this letter they would have been reading the Pentateuch and some of the other books from the Old Testament also. Actually with more regard because that was what they had for the WORD OF GOD THEN. When they came to this verse they would of seen the similarities to Deut. 30 and would have looked up the verses there and read them in parallel. In doing so would have tied everything together synonymously keeping everything in harmony to one another.

For the LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of our seed. For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances. The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances; Christ, the Word manifested in the flesh manifested in our flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart and in thy hand: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach. And that my friend is the GOSPEL. Christ in us the hope of Glory; GOD!

Third, Paul tells us there is the righteousness of the law, and then he leads us into an understanding of the righteousness of faith,

The Gospel; the New Covenant is that the things of the Spirit; the Moral Code; the Decalogue, GOD's commandments and Statutes contained in the Book of the Law are to be written in our hearts.

No longer are they something that we must do but they are what we are in Christ Jesus. We do them now because of who we are in Him. We can't help ourselves because it is who we are. We are of the Spirit not of the letter. Our sufficiency is not of ourselves but of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Any they TWO shall be one! This a great mystery but I speak of Christ and the Church. The Ministration has changed not the Moral Code. We share it no longer by the letter and by the Tables of Stone but by the fleshly tables of of our hearts through the Spirit. For we are dead nevertheless we live. Yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live in the flesh we now live by the Faith of Christ. For GOD has said from old, The Word (Christ, the Word manifested in the flesh manifested in our flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart and in thy hand: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach. And that my friend is the GOSPEL. Christ in us the hope of Glory; GOD!

but first of all he tells us NOT to, "Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above(7) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) (This is to crucify Jesus again.)

Crucify and bringing someone up from the dead are opposites. Bringing someone up from the dead would be resurrecting not crucifying.

Second, Jeremiah 31:32 tells us it is, "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers"

The Law; the Moral Code is not the Covenant. It was added because of transgressions. Sin has always been defined. It is lawlessness, missing the mark; the LIFE; Jesus Christ.

The true Way; Christ was preserved through the line of Seth, Enoch, Noah and Shem to Moses.

Through them years the Image and Likeness in which we were created was so marred we no longer wanted the Life and needed the Moral Code contained in the Decalogue and the Book of the Law to show us the Way; Christ. But at the same time GOD was gracious in that the cleansing; that we be made vessels fit for Holy use, and the Anointing; indwelling of Christ was made available too. Actually this was the intention. For GOD has said, "For the LORD thy GOD will circumcise thy heart and the heart of thy seed." (Deut. 30:6) But the majority could not receive it due to their stiff necks and hardened hearts.

Remember the giving of the Decalogue; the Ten Commandments was not received by them that heard HIM. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

"And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die."
(Heb 4:12; Exo 20:19 KJV)

The main purpose of the Decalogue being written on tables of stone was a rebuke because we would not receive the Word of GOD into our hearts due them being hardened like stone. The Tables symbolize our stony hearts.

Remember the Tables were instituted because they could not receive the Word of GOD, "lest we die". They were instituted as was the Moral Code contained in the Book of the Law because Israel was not willing to be circumcised by GOD through the circumcision made with out hands; Christ; the Faith.

Christ our Faith is another parallel Romans 10:6-8 brings out.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ ( the righteousness which is of faith, the Word) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ ( the righteousness which is of faith, the Word) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The Word (Christ; righteousness which is of faith) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart (that we do it): that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

What is the faith in which we preach? The Word; Christ (the Faith) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart ( that we do it): that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

Since GOD puts in our hearts and mouths The Word (Christ; the Faith) verse nine in the same chapter needs to be understood like this.

That if thou shalt assent with thy mouth (agree and speak that which has been placed in there; the Word (Christ; the Faith) the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe with thine heart (that which has been placed in there; the Word (Christ; the Faith) that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(Rom 10:9)

 

[LoveGodForever]

Repetition deleted...

Sup got no scripture? Like my repitition it is the Word of God. There is very little repetition in the post above just using some similar scriptures that address all the sections of MMD post

This is the repitition section though do you like it? It's my second signature although I like the scriptures that talk about SIN and how all those practicing KNOWN SIN will not enter into God's Kingdom. Do you know these scriptures?

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[PS]

Seeing as your reply is to an earlier post, I am wondering if you saw the post I made this morning that has been buried under multiple posts? Anyway, here it is again in reply to studyman, in which the reasons for a Sunday Sabbath are set out. (Sabbath: a day of religious observance and abstinence from work).

Starting with Jeremiah 31 beginning at verse 1 we read:

"At the same time, (in the latter days)

saith the LORD, I will be the God of all the families of Israel, ("I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob quoted Jesus, the Word. Mat 22:32)

and they shall be my people. (For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom 11:27)

I have loved you with an everlasting love; (Who shall separate us from the love of Christ Rom 8:35)

therefore with loving kindness have I drawn thee. ("I am he," Jesus replied to the woman at the well, "the one who is speaking to you."Joh 4:26)

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:With the New Covenant comes a new day http://www.bible.ca/7-sunday-significance-for-christians.htm

 

[PS]

Fed-up with the sort time given to edit posts.

 

[lightbearer]

Re: yep

Fed-up with the sort time given to edit posts.

Me too! Sometimes I spend hours in devotion in compiling a post. And then an hour or so, give or take in editing and refining before I post. I always miss something. It doesn't help that some times the Editor does things to the posts that were not in the originals.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Seeing as your reply is to an earlier post, I am wondering if you saw the post I made this morning that has been buried under multiple posts? Anyway, here it is again in reply to studyman, in which the reasons for a Sunday Sabbath are set out. (Sabbath: a day of religious observance and abstinence from work).

Starting with Jeremiah 31 beginning at verse 1 we read:

"At the same time, (in the latter days)

saith the LORD, I will be the God of all the families of Israel, ("I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob quoted Jesus, the Word. Mat 22:32)

and they shall be my people. (For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom 11:27)

I have loved you with an everlasting love; (Who shall separate us from the love of Christ Rom 8:35)

therefore with loving kindness have I drawn thee. ("I am he," Jesus replied to the woman at the well, "the one who is speaking to you."Joh 4:26)

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:With the New Covenant comes a new day http://www.bible.ca/7-sunday-significance-for-christians.htm

Not sure who this is addressed to? But where does it say in God's Word that the New Covenant abolishes God's 4th Commandment and there is a new day in its place?

 

[PS]

Not sure who this is addressed to? But where does it say in God's Word that the New Covenant abolishes God's 4th Commandment and there is a new day in its place?

"When the thick temple veil that covered the doorway to the Holy of Holies was torn in two by God at the time of Christ's death (Matthew 27:51), God was indicating that the Old Testament priesthood was no longer necessary. Now people can come directly to God through the great High Priest, Jesus Christ (Hebrews 4:14-16). There are now no earthly mediators between God and man as existed in the Old Testament priesthood (1 Timothy 2:5)."

https://www.gotquestions.org/priesthood-believers.html

Jesus is the new permanent, one and only High Priest, and Sunday is His day, i.e. the Lord's Day.

List of Old Testament earthly High Priests
Aaron
Eleazar, son of Aaron (Numbers 20:28)
Phinehas, son of Eleazar
Abishua, son of Phinehas
The Samaritans insert Shesha as the son of Abishua and father of Bukki.[citation needed]
Bukki, son of Abishua
Uzzi, son of Bukki
Eli, descendant of Ithamar, son of Aaron
Ahitub, son of Phinehas and grandson of Eli
Ahijah, son of Ahitub
Ahimelech, son of Ahijah (or brother of Ahijah and son of Ahitub)
Abiathar, son of Ahimelech

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_High_Priests_of_Israel

 

[Studyman]

Seeing as your reply is to an earlier post, I am wondering if you saw the post I made this morning that has been buried under multiple posts? Anyway, here it is again in reply to studyman, in which the reasons for a Sunday Sabbath are set out. (Sabbath: a day of religious observance and abstinence from work).

Starting with Jeremiah 31 beginning at verse 1 we read:

"At the same time, (in the latter days)

saith the LORD, I will be the God of all the families of Israel, ("I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob quoted Jesus, the Word. Mat 22:32)

and they shall be my people. (For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom 11:27)

I have loved you with an everlasting love; (Who shall separate us from the love of Christ Rom 8:35)

therefore with loving kindness have I drawn thee. ("I am he," Jesus replied to the woman at the well, "the one who is speaking to you."Joh 4:26)

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:With the New Covenant comes a new day http://www.bible.ca/7-sunday-significance-for-christians.htm

Since we have been talking about false doctrines, you have brought up another false teaching prevalent in Mainstream Christianity. And that is the teaching that the New Covenant "changed" more than the Priesthood. I know what the religious franchises teach as you posted.

But the Bible teaches something different that I hope you might consider.

#1. God furthered his Covenant with Abraham on to the Children of Israel who were persecuted in Egypt.


Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.

24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

So God continued His covenant with Abraham, giving the Children of Israel the same Laws which He gave to Abraham.

But He also "ADDED" a Law, because of transgression of His existing Laws, which was to be in force until the "Seed" should come. This "ADDED" Law is called the "Levitical Priesthood" and it served two purposes.

#1. To administer God's Instructions to the people.

Heb. 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,"

#2. To provide a shadow of the sacrifice of the Christ for remission of sins. This was done through several ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" which was designed to cleanse the people of their sins, until the Messiah came.

Abraham didn't have this "Added" Law. He was justified "apart" from the Levitical laws of justification. Levi wasn't even born yet. As Paul explains.

Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the (ADDED) law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

This "ADDED" Law is the Covenant God made with the Children of Israel when He brought them out of the Land of Egypt.


The rest of God's Instructions were the instructions God had already created and had given to mankind which Abraham obeyed and Sodom was destroyed for rejecting.

So the New Covenant is the "changing" of the Priesthood, not God's Instructions as the serpent would have us believe.

Jer. 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

This is not the covenant God made with Abraham which He poured on the Israelites. This is speaking to the "Added" "Law of Works" called the Levitical Priesthood.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No more Levite Priests and scribes to administer God's Word. He writes His Instructions directly on our minds.


34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levites Priests to perform sacrificial, ceremonial "works of the Law" for remission of sins, Jesus, with His own Blood, cleanses our sin.

But Jesus was not a Levite? How could He become a Priest before God?

Heb. 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.


14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

So PS,

There was only one "Change" of God's Law through the "New Covenant" and that was the changing of the Law to allow a man from Judah, not Levi, to become the High Priest.

According to the Bible, there is no other change. Jesus is performing the Spiritual intent of the Levitical Priesthood in heaven today. Nothing else has changed. Only in the preaching of those who "Come in Christ's Name" that Jesus warns about, has the instructions of God changed through the New Covenant. Man changed them, God/Jesus did not.

But like the Pharisees, Mainstream Christianity has been preaching this false teaching for centuries. The truth about their doctrines and traditions will not be accepted by the "Many", as it wasn't with the Mainstream Church of Christ's time.

 

[gb9]

Since we have been talking about false doctrines, you have brought up another false teaching prevalent in Mainstream Christianity. And that is the teaching that the New Covenant "changed" more than the Priesthood. I know what the religious franchises teach as you posted.

But the Bible teaches something different that I hope you might consider.

#1. God furthered his Covenant with Abraham on to the Children of Israel who were persecuted in Egypt.


Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.

24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

So God continued His covenant with Abraham, giving the Children of Israel the same Laws which He gave to Abraham.

But He also "ADDED" a Law, because of transgression of His existing Laws, which was to be in force until the "Seed" should come. This "ADDED" Law is called the "Levitical Priesthood" and it served two purposes.

#1. To administer God's Instructions to the people.

Heb. 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,"

#2. To provide a shadow of the sacrifice of the Christ for remission of sins. This was done through several ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" which was designed to cleanse the people of their sins, until the Messiah came.

Abraham didn't have this "Added" Law. He was justified "apart" from the Levitical laws of justification. Levi wasn't even born yet. As Paul explains.

Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the (ADDED) law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

This "ADDED" Law is the Covenant God made with the Children of Israel when He brought them out of the Land of Egypt.


The rest of God's Instructions were the instructions God had already created and had given to mankind which Abraham obeyed and Sodom was destroyed for rejecting.

So the New Covenant is the "changing" of the Priesthood, not God's Instructions as the serpent would have us believe.

Jer. 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

This is not the covenant God made with Abraham which He poured on the Israelites. This is speaking to the "Added" "Law of Works" called the Levitical Priesthood.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No more Levite Priests and scribes to administer God's Word. He writes His Instructions directly on our minds.


34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levites Priests to perform sacrificial, ceremonial "works of the Law" for remission of sins, Jesus, with His own Blood, cleanses our sin.

But Jesus was not a Levite? How could He become a Priest before God?

Heb. 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.


14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

So PS,

There was only one "Change" of God's Law through the "New Covenant" and that was the changing of the Law to allow a man from Judah, not Levi, to become the High Priest.

According to the Bible, there is no other change. Jesus is performing the Spiritual intent of the Levitical Priesthood in heaven today. Nothing else has changed. Only in the preaching of those who "Come in Christ's Name" that Jesus warns about, has the instructions of God changed through the New Covenant. Man changed them, God/Jesus did not.

But like the Pharisees, Mainstream Christianity has been preaching this false teaching for centuries. The truth about their doctrines and traditions will not be accepted by the "Many", as it wasn't with the Mainstream Church of Christ's time.

if you keep reading Hebrews 7, ( you know, actually study the Bible ), you will see that in verse 25 the writer says " therefore He ( Jesus ) is able to save completely ( perfectly, for eternity ) those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede and intervene on their behalf " .

that verse does not say " he is able to save those who keep the law and Sabbath and come through him" .

so there you go. another example of another spot in the N.T. that points salvation through Christ, without the law and Sabbath.

 

[PS]

Since we have been talking about false doctrines, you have brought up another false teaching prevalent in Mainstream Christianity. And that is the teaching that the New Covenant "changed" more than the Priesthood. I know what the religious franchises teach as you posted.

But the Bible teaches something different that I hope you might consider.

#1. God furthered his Covenant with Abraham on to the Children of Israel who were persecuted in Egypt.


Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.

24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

So God continued His covenant with Abraham, giving the Children of Israel the same Laws which He gave to Abraham.

But He also "ADDED" a Law, because of transgression of His existing Laws, which was to be in force until the "Seed" should come. This "ADDED" Law is called the "Levitical Priesthood" and it served two purposes.

#1. To administer God's Instructions to the people.

Heb. 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,"

#2. To provide a shadow of the sacrifice of the Christ for remission of sins. This was done through several ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" which was designed to cleanse the people of their sins, until the Messiah came.

Abraham didn't have this "Added" Law. He was justified "apart" from the Levitical laws of justification. Levi wasn't even born yet. As Paul explains.

Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the (ADDED) law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

This "ADDED" Law is the Covenant God made with the Children of Israel when He brought them out of the Land of Egypt.


The rest of God's Instructions were the instructions God had already created and had given to mankind which Abraham obeyed and Sodom was destroyed for rejecting.

So the New Covenant is the "changing" of the Priesthood, not God's Instructions as the serpent would have us believe.

Jer. 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

This is not the covenant God made with Abraham which He poured on the Israelites. This is speaking to the "Added" "Law of Works" called the Levitical Priesthood.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No more Levite Priests and scribes to administer God's Word. He writes His Instructions directly on our minds.


34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levites Priests to perform sacrificial, ceremonial "works of the Law" for remission of sins, Jesus, with His own Blood, cleanses our sin.

But Jesus was not a Levite? How could He become a Priest before God?

Heb. 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.


14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

You have lost me, but not to worry let us look at your summery below.

So PS,

There was only one "Change" of God's Law through the "New Covenant" and that was the changing of the Law to allow a man from Judah, not Levi, to become the High Priest. O.K.

According to the Bible, there is no other change. Jesus is performing the Spiritual intent of the Levitical Priesthood in heaven today. O.K. Nothing else has changed. O.K.

Only in the preaching of those who "Come in Christ's Name" that Jesus warns about, has the instructions of God changed through the New Covenant. Man changed them, God/Jesus did not.

But like the Pharisees, Mainstream Christianity has been preaching this false teaching for centuries. The truth about their doctrines and traditions will not be accepted by the "Many", as it wasn't with the Mainstream Church of Christ's time. I don't know what I have said different.

 

[MarcR]

Now Grandpa you are a funny one,

I love the scriptures thanks for sharing but where has Beta or anyone here in this thread or in any of CC ever said to you that we are saved by the works of Gods law?

We are saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a Gift of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest anyman should boast.

Now if we are all in agreement then you have nothing to argue about now have you? If we all agree on the same thing then your argument you are trying to build does not exist because we are all in agreement that we are saved by Grace through FAITH and this is not of our own doing.

What we are talking about here however is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

SIN is the breaking of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7: James 2:11: 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)



If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

WHAT HAS GOD GIVEN US GRACE FOR?

Roman 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name:


DO WE ABOLISH GOD'S LAW THROHGH FAITH?

Romans 3
31, Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


We are only saved by God's GRACE through FAITH it is God's GIFT to us and there is nothing we can do to earn it. God's GRACE however is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH and it is BY FAITH that God's ESTABLISHES His LAW in those who BELIEVE by LOVE

Romans 13
8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER FULFILLS THE LAW.
9, For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

This is the NEW Covenant promise in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and the POWER of GOD to save a sinner from their SINS (Hebrew 8:10-12; Romans 1:16)

.................

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's Word that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

You pay empty lip service to Salvation by grace through faith and then try to burden people by assigning false significance to the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments are simply the first 17 verses of Exodus 20; and have no more significance than any other commandment in the Law of Moses. Even if they had the significance you are trying to ascribe to them, NOBODY is able to keep them to God's standard. Their only intended purpose is to make people aware of our need for a Savior; and to persuade us that Jesus is that Savior. If we could please God by our own efforts, Jesus died for nothing.

By living under the direction and empowerment of the Holy Spirit, our sins are forgiven and we are given Jesus own righteousness. We do not live lawlessly because the Holy Spirit within us causes us to desire and to do what is pleasing to God. Whether or not we observe the 7th day Sabbath has no bearing on our relationship with God

 

[MarcR]

What about when Yahshua/Jesus said this:

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Nothing has passed from the LAW. It is still in full force and effect. It teaches us that we can NOT please God by our own efforts; and that attempting to do so leads to destruction. All our righteousness is like filthy rags and only Jesus righteousness satisfies God.

 

[MarcR]

NOW Gb9 that is NOT true at all.....

DO you LOVE Jesus gb9????????

Your saying that something is mot true does NOT make it untrue! Jesus said "Come unto Me all ye who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. My rest comes not from keeping days but it is a gift from Jesus. I keep the Sabbath and it is very meaningful to me. I do NOT keep it because it is commanded; because it no longer is commanded of believers. I keep the Sabbath because doing so reminds me of what Jesus has done for me.

 

[MarcR]

Hmm you have either not read the posts and scriptures in them, which are going verse by verse showing CONTEXT through 1 John 3 or you are directly lieing now gb9 which is it?

Posting them again for all to see. They bear witness agaisnt you that what you are saying here is a lie.

POST # 4133; POST # 4137; POST # 4138; POST # 4266 and POST # 4254 (All linked)

This is a lesson for all to beware about what people say and tell you. ONLY God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

................

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

You seem to be under the delusion that your saying something makes it true. That is true of God but NOT of you.

During the late 1960s and early 1970s many young women sought attention by wearing sheer clothing and absent underwear. Ellen G white sought attention by writing books. The only difference between the young women of the 60s and 70s who exposed themselves to seek attention and EG White is that the young women who exposed themselves were more honest about their motivation.

 

[MarcR]

The CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 is SIN and those that are God's children do not practice SIN and those that are NOT God's Children practice SIN (CONTEXT IS SIN in 1 John 3:3-15)..


WHAT IS SIN??

POST # 4133 (You ignored and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).


VERSE BY VERSE CONTEXT COMPARISON OF 1 JOHN 3

POST # 4137 (You ignored the CONTEXT comparison 1 John 3 and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).





WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LOVE IN 1 JOHN 3:23 ?

POST # 4138 (Once again ignoring the scritpures showing that if you LOVE God you will be obedient to him linked)


Yep a lot of scripture showing your interpretation of one scripture in NOT in CONTEXT and a lot of scripture that you have to ignore to hold on to your interpretation of God's Word in order to follow your traditions.

Disagree? Please respond to the scriptures in the posts above that disagree with you? If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another..

..............

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

Fortunately God does NOT define sin the same way you do. Also fortunately all sin is forgiven to those who trust in Jesus rather than their own works.

 

[Studyman]

if you keep reading Hebrews 7, ( you know, actually study the Bible ), you will see that in verse 25 the writer says " therefore He ( Jesus ) is able to save completely ( perfectly, for eternity ) those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede and intervene on their behalf " .

that verse does not say " he is able to save those who keep the law and Sabbath and come through him" .

so there you go. another example of another spot in the N.T. that points salvation through Christ, without the law and Sabbath.

Only those who's religious traditions "Transgress the Commandments of God" support your preaching. Jesus did not.

 

[MarcR]

Hi Loveforgod,

I cant see how you can deny what you have said:



Again, no one has claimed that we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy. You keep making this false assertion. I have brought this to your attention a few times now.

At first I gave you the benefit of the doubt, that you may just be ignorant of the fact, but now I have to say your being dishonest.

I would say being dishonest is not a good trait to have.

E.G. White's interpretation of Scripture and her writings are dishonest. It is impossible to defend them without being dishonest.

 

[Studyman]

You have lost me, but not to worry let us look at your summery below.

So PS,

There was only one "Change" of God's Law through the "New Covenant" and that was the changing of the Law to allow a man from Judah, not Levi, to become the High Priest. O.K.

According to the Bible, there is no other change. Jesus is performing the Spiritual intent of the Levitical Priesthood in heaven today. O.K. Nothing else has changed. O.K.

Only in the preaching of those who "Come in Christ's Name" that Jesus warns about, has the instructions of God changed through the New Covenant. Man changed them, God/Jesus did not.

But like the Pharisees, Mainstream Christianity has been preaching this false teaching for centuries. The truth about their doctrines and traditions will not be accepted by the "Many", as it wasn't with the Mainstream Church of Christ's time. I don't know what I have said different.

Your assertion, actually Catholic doctrine, that God changed His Sanctified set apart 7th day to the Venerable Day of the Sun in the New Covenant is false. Jesus was already risen by the time Mary reached the grave immediately after the Sabbath. There is an excellent study on this done by a brother on this forum. I did this study 25 years ago but Hiz covers it so completely that if a person actually takes the time and does the study there can be no doubt as to the Bible teaching regarding when Jesus was resurrected. If you want to learn the Biblical truth, do the study.

I know how convincing the internet preachers can be. But their very first claim on the web page you posted is just not true. If you do the study yourself, you will find the same thing Hiz and I, and anyone else who is interested enough in the truth to study themselves.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159572-when-messiah-put-grave-when-did-he-resurrect.html