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I understand and I am not here to compete either. My apologies if I have offended you. But I do contend and correct when I see something that is not being interpreted correctly, as I have been monitoring this for many years.
Because of this, many, including Christian's, do not even realize that this electronic crediting and debiting system is what the mark of the beast is going to eventually run on. I have studied and watched these events take place step by step beginning with the emergence of the ATM's, followed by the universal product codes (UPC) and then followed by the Point of sale system (POS). I knew from the beginning that these were all related to that coming mark. And now we have the next phase, which is the technology for the RFID chip, which is being implanted under the hand. As I said, whatever this device evolves into, it will replace card swiping and cell phone bank apps. It is just a matter of time before we begin to see people beginning to pay with the scan of their hands.
Because of this, many, including Christian's, do not even realize that this electronic crediting and debiting system is what the mark of the beast is going to eventually run on. I have studied and watched these events take place step by step beginning with the emergence of the ATM's, followed by the universal product codes (UPC) and then followed by the Point of sale system (POS). I knew from the beginning that these were all related to that coming mark. And now we have the next phase, which is the technology for the RFID chip, which is being implanted under the hand. As I said, whatever this device evolves into, it will replace card swiping and cell phone bank apps. It is just a matter of time before we begin to see people beginning to pay with the scan of their hands.
I can feel your excitement into the insight into the future as you follow this technology. And I Amen anything God has put before you to investigate. My stance is not that I do not know of the technology, for I do; or that I want to talk about the past and not the future; for that was just the opposite of my purpose. My stance is that it is better to be wise and reconcile to the Father during this time all that is His and remain unnoticed, rather than to find excitement in things that have no eternal longevity. There is nothing wrong with your interests as Christ allows, we can indeed fellowship. Read (Ecclesiastes 9:13-16) and you will better understand my stance on His will in all of this discussion for me. Its not a right and wrong argument, it is a righteous preference, and an accurate historical connection in Scripture for me that makes me excited is all.
The other stuff is indeed interesting, I've looked into it for sure.
The other stuff is indeed interesting, I've looked into it for sure.
I see it as the opposite. For one of the reasons that God gave us the prophesies in the book of Revelation is to make the coming events known to others. It is a great witnessing tool.
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"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass."
"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
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We are living in that generation just before these events are about to take place and we need to be studying this information and using it as a witness and to warn people of God's coming wrath and how they can escape it through the Lord's promise to keep us out of that time of wrath. For those who continue to reject Christ will be caught in the time of God's wrath, which will be the worst time in the history of the world, so much so, that if those days were allowed to go on any longer, no one would be left alive on the earth.
I have been writing blogs on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments in order to show the severity of God's coming wrath. If you are interested, you can read about each plague of wrath and their results. Currently, I am up to the 6th trumpet, but will be finishing the rest as time permits. Below is the blog location.
Christian Chat Rooms & Forums - Ahwatukee - Blogs
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"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass."
"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
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We are living in that generation just before these events are about to take place and we need to be studying this information and using it as a witness and to warn people of God's coming wrath and how they can escape it through the Lord's promise to keep us out of that time of wrath. For those who continue to reject Christ will be caught in the time of God's wrath, which will be the worst time in the history of the world, so much so, that if those days were allowed to go on any longer, no one would be left alive on the earth.
I have been writing blogs on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments in order to show the severity of God's coming wrath. If you are interested, you can read about each plague of wrath and their results. Currently, I am up to the 6th trumpet, but will be finishing the rest as time permits. Below is the blog location.
Christian Chat Rooms & Forums - Ahwatukee - Blogs
The mark is appropriate to beasts that are the lawful property of the one that owns them.
The mark is used to denote all who are carnal and not spiritual.
When God no longer strives with a carnal man then the man is left reprobate.
As such, the man is a beast that obeys only it’s carnal instincts.
The problem Satan has in seeking to remove all faith in Jesus from off the earth is identifying all who are spiritual. All who are of the body of Christ on earth are spiritual.
When persecution comes then the saints must go into hiding. We can see this in Matthew 24, when Jesus warns us not to think to go meet him when men say Jesus is here or there. It is simply a trick to draw saints out into the open so the wolves can devour them. And other examples also.
God has a problem as well. God seeks to maximize his harvest of souls.
It is God who is forcing the hand of all men and devils too. It is God who requires the great tribulation of the saints. Satan has no choice in helping God because Satan is running out of time. It’s that simple. It’s like a chess match when in the end game the players will lose if they don’t move rapidly.
The scripture says that if any man love the world, or anything in it, then the love of God isn’t in him.
That’s a brutal, inconvenient, spiritual truth.
The mark of the beast is God’s means of seperating the wheat from the tares and chaff.
What do suppose will happen when the saints find out they are confronted with great tribulation? the perilous times God warned them of?
The first thing to go will be any and all whimsical and philosophical musings about what truly defines the faith of the spiritual man.
Then the carnal man will betray his former brethren, even the members of his own house and family. Scoffers will ask, Where is the promise of Jesus’ return?
Where did the prosperity gospel go?
Into the toilet, so to speak.
A great falling away will occur even as it appears that the great big churches swell with the carnal minded seeking refuge in government protected churches.
So how will the great tribulation bring in God’s great harvest?
When the faith of the saints is manifest in contrast with the cowardice of the carnal.
Then the true church will literally shine like the city of God set upon a hill in the midst of the greatest global darkness ever yet seen on earth.
There’s no reason whine and moan about tribulation. Jesus never lied about it that’s for sure.
When the Son of man was lifted up on the cross like Jesus said Moses did the serpent in the wilderness, then was the glory of God was seen, his faith and his love.
And in the coming great tribulation of the saints, the saints shall share in the glory of Christ Jesus.
Then the world will see faith.
Then the world will see joy, and fearlessness. Then the world will observe the love of the saints for one another.
And lo and behold, how quickly all who come to faith in Jesus shall have their faith and love sealed by their death. Losing their own heads while proving to all men, that Christ alone is their true head.
It’s when spiritual becomes literal that true spirituality is manifest to all.
And it’s always been that way hasn’t it?
The mark is used to denote all who are carnal and not spiritual.
When God no longer strives with a carnal man then the man is left reprobate.
As such, the man is a beast that obeys only it’s carnal instincts.
The problem Satan has in seeking to remove all faith in Jesus from off the earth is identifying all who are spiritual. All who are of the body of Christ on earth are spiritual.
When persecution comes then the saints must go into hiding. We can see this in Matthew 24, when Jesus warns us not to think to go meet him when men say Jesus is here or there. It is simply a trick to draw saints out into the open so the wolves can devour them. And other examples also.
God has a problem as well. God seeks to maximize his harvest of souls.
It is God who is forcing the hand of all men and devils too. It is God who requires the great tribulation of the saints. Satan has no choice in helping God because Satan is running out of time. It’s that simple. It’s like a chess match when in the end game the players will lose if they don’t move rapidly.
The scripture says that if any man love the world, or anything in it, then the love of God isn’t in him.
That’s a brutal, inconvenient, spiritual truth.
The mark of the beast is God’s means of seperating the wheat from the tares and chaff.
What do suppose will happen when the saints find out they are confronted with great tribulation? the perilous times God warned them of?
The first thing to go will be any and all whimsical and philosophical musings about what truly defines the faith of the spiritual man.
Then the carnal man will betray his former brethren, even the members of his own house and family. Scoffers will ask, Where is the promise of Jesus’ return?
Where did the prosperity gospel go?
Into the toilet, so to speak.
A great falling away will occur even as it appears that the great big churches swell with the carnal minded seeking refuge in government protected churches.
So how will the great tribulation bring in God’s great harvest?
When the faith of the saints is manifest in contrast with the cowardice of the carnal.
Then the true church will literally shine like the city of God set upon a hill in the midst of the greatest global darkness ever yet seen on earth.
There’s no reason whine and moan about tribulation. Jesus never lied about it that’s for sure.
When the Son of man was lifted up on the cross like Jesus said Moses did the serpent in the wilderness, then was the glory of God was seen, his faith and his love.
And in the coming great tribulation of the saints, the saints shall share in the glory of Christ Jesus.
Then the world will see faith.
Then the world will see joy, and fearlessness. Then the world will observe the love of the saints for one another.
And lo and behold, how quickly all who come to faith in Jesus shall have their faith and love sealed by their death. Losing their own heads while proving to all men, that Christ alone is their true head.
It’s when spiritual becomes literal that true spirituality is manifest to all.
And it’s always been that way hasn’t it?
Greetings Joseppi,
The church will have been gathered prior to God's wrath and will therefore not even be on the earth during the time of God's wrath, because we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath (Rom.5:9, 1 Thes.1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10). Those who will be here, will be the woman/Israel, those 144,000 who come out of Israel, the great tribulation saints who are all Gentiles and the wicked. It is the wicked who will worship the beast, his image and receive his mark.
Do not confuse the trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would experience because of their faith, with God's coming wrath. From the on-set of the church believers have been suffering those trials and tribulation that Jesus said we would have and continue to do so to this very day. But what is coming is God's direct, unprecedented wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. It is this wrath, God's coming wrath that the church is not appointed to suffer and we therefore must be gathered from the earth prior to the first seal being opened according to his promise.
The church will not be here to see those events of wrath, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.
'God's wrath is the 3rd woe and it is sinners who are affected. The previous two woes can and does cause death and pain for many people
Re:12:12:
Therefore rejoice,
ye heavens,
and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
for the devil is come down unto you,
having great wrath,
because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
We are even given the sequence that the 3rd woe takes as it reclaims the whole earth for God.
Jer:25:29-33:
For,
lo,
I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,
and should ye be utterly unpunished?
Ye shall not be unpunished:
for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth,
saith the LORD of hosts.
Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words,
and say unto them,
The LORD shall roar from on high,
and utter his voice from his holy habitation;
he shall mightily roar upon his habitation;
he shall give a shout,
as they that tread the grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; f
or the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.
Only the 7 vials are the wrath of God on the day Jesus returns. The wrath at the end of the 1,000 years is much greater as Jesus melts Satan's Babylon and God does the same to the rest of the world when Satan is sent to the fiery lake.
Yes we will.
Re:1:9:
I John,
who also am your brother,
and companion in tribulation,
and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,
was in the isle that is called Patmos,
for the word of God,
and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re:12:12:
Therefore rejoice,
ye heavens,
and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
for the devil is come down unto you,
having great wrath,
because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
We are even given the sequence that the 3rd woe takes as it reclaims the whole earth for God.
Jer:25:29-33:
For,
lo,
I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,
and should ye be utterly unpunished?
Ye shall not be unpunished:
for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth,
saith the LORD of hosts.
Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words,
and say unto them,
The LORD shall roar from on high,
and utter his voice from his holy habitation;
he shall mightily roar upon his habitation;
he shall give a shout,
as they that tread the grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; f
or the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.
Only the 7 vials are the wrath of God on the day Jesus returns. The wrath at the end of the 1,000 years is much greater as Jesus melts Satan's Babylon and God does the same to the rest of the world when Satan is sent to the fiery lake.
Yes we will.
Re:1:9:
I John,
who also am your brother,
and companion in tribulation,
and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,
was in the isle that is called Patmos,
for the word of God,
and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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The signified number 144,000 is the number God has assigned to His chaste virgin bride the church it represent both gates as tribes, and foundation wall as apostles. God does not give literal numbers that make up the bride the church .
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
The unknown number is not according to the measure of man. It is never about the flesh of a Jew, or any nation.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
I would think they are Jews as to a inward, born again Jews .God gave is bride the church a new name, Christian .A word when defined denotes... Residents of the City of Christ.
The literalist simply by passes the spiritual understanding found in those parables.
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Interesting read --> What Does The Right Hand Symbolize or Mean In The Bible?
Hello Katy,
Since it is the mark of the beast, it may be a dig at God, because the right hand is always the place of righteousness or honor with God. For example:
* He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
* This is the mystery of the seven stars you saw in My right hand
* God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
* He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
These are just a few off the top of my head, but there are many more. It may be that by the mark being in the right hand, it may be a mimicry of God.
Just my observation.
Since it is the mark of the beast, it may be a dig at God, because the right hand is always the place of righteousness or honor with God. For example:
* He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
* This is the mystery of the seven stars you saw in My right hand
* God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
* He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
These are just a few off the top of my head, but there are many more. It may be that by the mark being in the right hand, it may be a mimicry of God.
Just my observation.
The way to understand is to word search in the Holy Bible, the right and left.
It is important for you to know what God says and know it is God.
Duality is found in many forms in scripture.
God as a teacher uses the method of dividing asunder to reveal distinction between similar things so that we saints who believe him can learn to discern what we’d never notice unless he divided what we thought was one as we comprehend the thing in question.
Your question is an example of this.
God is a Spirit, and we can’t understand him without his literal expressions of truth set before our eyes.
God has a right side and a left.
On his right hand is the man Jesus of Nazareth. And Jesus has been given all power and authority in heaven and earth.
The hand is the ability to take hold of the world.
The right hand expresses God’s literal hold on all he possesses.
There are many examples of the right hand, so it behooves you to search it out carefully as the Holy Ghost leads your understanding.
The left is not so much spoken of and I think that one verse best reveals why this is so.
On God’s left hand are...pleasures forevermore.
For ever more.
So, it is easy to see that the things on the left are future things not yet given us until we overcome as Jesus did.
The mark of the beast is place in the right hand because it signifies man’s lust for taking hold of the things of the world carnally in defiance of God. It signifies the personal commitment of a man’s power and authority.
It is important for you to know what God says and know it is God.
Duality is found in many forms in scripture.
God as a teacher uses the method of dividing asunder to reveal distinction between similar things so that we saints who believe him can learn to discern what we’d never notice unless he divided what we thought was one as we comprehend the thing in question.
Your question is an example of this.
God is a Spirit, and we can’t understand him without his literal expressions of truth set before our eyes.
God has a right side and a left.
On his right hand is the man Jesus of Nazareth. And Jesus has been given all power and authority in heaven and earth.
The hand is the ability to take hold of the world.
The right hand expresses God’s literal hold on all he possesses.
There are many examples of the right hand, so it behooves you to search it out carefully as the Holy Ghost leads your understanding.
The left is not so much spoken of and I think that one verse best reveals why this is so.
On God’s left hand are...pleasures forevermore.
For ever more.
So, it is easy to see that the things on the left are future things not yet given us until we overcome as Jesus did.
The mark of the beast is place in the right hand because it signifies man’s lust for taking hold of the things of the world carnally in defiance of God. It signifies the personal commitment of a man’s power and authority.
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I suppose to you me a literalist, whatever you mean by that.
My understanding of literal is to say that I receive all that God has written as literature.
Thus I reject the notion that literal applies to what isn’t spiritual, a nonsense notion that is philosophical.
I don’t think it hard to comprehend that the literature of God is complex and presents many forms of expression, none of which lack true and eternal understanding.
The reason I point this out is because I discern among many posters a bias that misleads their understanding by making a assumption, or by granting themselves the use of an assumption for some personal reason, such as to seek to avoid a truth.
The result in the case of the 144,000 is a flippant disregard of the purpose of the 144,000 as God gives them purpose.
There is a reason for the numbering of them.
My understanding of literal is to say that I receive all that God has written as literature.
Thus I reject the notion that literal applies to what isn’t spiritual, a nonsense notion that is philosophical.
I don’t think it hard to comprehend that the literature of God is complex and presents many forms of expression, none of which lack true and eternal understanding.
The reason I point this out is because I discern among many posters a bias that misleads their understanding by making a assumption, or by granting themselves the use of an assumption for some personal reason, such as to seek to avoid a truth.
The result in the case of the 144,000 is a flippant disregard of the purpose of the 144,000 as God gives them purpose.
There is a reason for the numbering of them.
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I doubt that my view of end of days prophecy is shared by many.
But I like to be straightforward so all readers understand where I am coming from and what I am about. Especially in these matters of prophecy that apply to we saints that now find ourselves in the end of days and confronted with the literal and, let me add, palpable fulfillment of God’s short work on earth.
We don’t have the luxury of time to spiritualize and muse and opinionate and philosophize about what God has written. The time is short. Satan, that old serpent, the Devil, knows this full well for he wasn’t spiritually thrown out of heaven, he was literally cast out and his minions also.
And Satan wasn’t cast on to the earth, but rather, in the earth.
Many are utterly misguided at this time.
And they shouldn’t be since God has warned us all, and the book is open and the words flowing now as Daniel predicted. Daniel 12:4
Whether you like it or not, we are at war.
And only them that understand these things shall save many as Daniel was told in his last chapter. If you want stars in your crown you better wise up.
But I like to be straightforward so all readers understand where I am coming from and what I am about. Especially in these matters of prophecy that apply to we saints that now find ourselves in the end of days and confronted with the literal and, let me add, palpable fulfillment of God’s short work on earth.
We don’t have the luxury of time to spiritualize and muse and opinionate and philosophize about what God has written. The time is short. Satan, that old serpent, the Devil, knows this full well for he wasn’t spiritually thrown out of heaven, he was literally cast out and his minions also.
And Satan wasn’t cast on to the earth, but rather, in the earth.
Many are utterly misguided at this time.
And they shouldn’t be since God has warned us all, and the book is open and the words flowing now as Daniel predicted. Daniel 12:4
Whether you like it or not, we are at war.
And only them that understand these things shall save many as Daniel was told in his last chapter. If you want stars in your crown you better wise up.
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