F.B.I. Confirms a Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings - active shooters
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The tree of the knowledge of good and evil will deceive the saved as well as the unsaved who walk after the flesh and not after the spirit. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which lead unto life, and few there be that find it. Only the wise hearted understand this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison a great ending for those who love God.
So many red herrings, it is impossible to know where to start!
First, gun control would NEVER take guns away from people who legitimately need them. Like farmers to protect their herds and flocks against coyotes or wolves. Or bears! Gun control means limiting weapons which are military grade, especially, have large munition clips or capacity for mass killing. Why would anyone need those?
Second, to the lie that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people,” of course people are behind the trigger. But in every country that has limited the use of guns, there are NO mass murderers. Australia being the perfect example. They banned weapons in 1996, (not for people who need them like ranchers!) and NO mass murders since then.
“Still, the past five years have brought some additional clarity. And one core fact has remained strikingly unchanged: In the 18 years before Port Arthur, Australia witnessed 13 mass shootings, defined as shootings in which five or more people were killed. In the 21 years since, there have been none.”
Did gun control stop mass shootings in Australia? Probably.
Japan the same! They banned guns, and in some years they have NO gun deaths in the whole country.
The madmen and angry people DO still get ahold of weapons. But, a knife might hurt or maim one or two people before they are disarmed. Not 17 like today, or over 50 in Las Vegas a while back. (Oh, that mass shooting really hurt business, Canadians are not going there in droves like they used to!)
Third, the US constitution does NOT give the right to bear arms for every person who decides they need an automatic or semiautomatic, or even a one shot at a time weapon. The reason for the right to bear arms was for a “militia!” Not one of the recent shootings (any??) had a thing to do with defending the country from either outsiders or your own government.
Fourth, speaking of defending yourself from your own government, I mean, really?? REALLY??
Fifth, stop blaming gun violence on the apostasy from God. I have no doubt people are 100% right about how our societies have fallen away from God, and how terrible it is. But, Canada is well ahead of you on this, we are a secular, pagan nation, I am sad to say, but we do not have mass murders like the US. And if there are shootings, it is usually with weapons purchased in the US and smuggled into Canada. Or, against our Mounties who are trying to capture a criminal, and they do have guns, but sadly are sometimes unable to kill the shooter first. I am sure things would be much worse here, if guns were readily accessible.
Japan is and always was, a non-Christian nation. Yet, they banned guns and no gun deaths some years, and below 10 in others! And that is not mass shootings, but one on one shootings.
”Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret? If you want to buy a gun in Japan you need patience and determination. You have to attend an all-day class, take a written exam and pass a shooting-range test with a mark of at least 95%.
There are also mental health and drugs tests. Your criminal record is checked and police look for links to extremist groups. Then they check your relatives too - and even your work colleagues. And as well as having the power to deny gun licences, police also have sweeping powers to search and seize weapons.
That's not all. Handguns are banned outright. Only shotguns and air rifles are allowed.
The law restricts the number of gun shops. In most of Japan's 40 or so prefectures there can be no more than three, and you can only buy fresh cartridges by returning the spent cartridges you bought on your last visit.”
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News
Sixth, we have psychotrophic drugs in Canada, too! But, because of limited access to guns, no one is getting shot in schools, or at a music festival. Same for all the other countries in the western world.
Cop out after cop out!
I am sitting watching TV in a restaurant outside Seattle Washington right now. The coverage of the incident in Florida is dominating the news. It is horrible to see the broken people, who have lived through this tragedy that were on the site of the shooting. Yet, no mention of the one solution that could stop this holocaust. Ban the guns that cause this. Shut down gun sellers and conventions and fairs that don’t do background checks. Limit access to guns to people with proper training and a use for them, who have had background checks for mental illness (Overturn HIPA on this! Protecting lives are more important than the mentally ill having access to guns!)
And most important, stop this culture of guns! Stop justifying and rationalizing garbage like “guns don’t kill people.” Try telling that to the parents of one of those 17 people who died yesterday. Any American who rationalizes that “guns don’t kill people” is complicit in these mass shootings, as far as I can see. That is NRA propaganda, pure and simple!
I think JB said, “every other civilized country that has gun control” and I heartily concur. Gun control could be the start to stopping this slaughter, especially in schools. But, if you keep up this culture of death, no revival in the world is going to stop the madmen, the disaffected, the angry from buying a gun that can shoot fast and hard, and thousands of innocents being killed.
First, gun control would NEVER take guns away from people who legitimately need them. Like farmers to protect their herds and flocks against coyotes or wolves. Or bears! Gun control means limiting weapons which are military grade, especially, have large munition clips or capacity for mass killing. Why would anyone need those?
Second, to the lie that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people,” of course people are behind the trigger. But in every country that has limited the use of guns, there are NO mass murderers. Australia being the perfect example. They banned weapons in 1996, (not for people who need them like ranchers!) and NO mass murders since then.
“Still, the past five years have brought some additional clarity. And one core fact has remained strikingly unchanged: In the 18 years before Port Arthur, Australia witnessed 13 mass shootings, defined as shootings in which five or more people were killed. In the 21 years since, there have been none.”
Did gun control stop mass shootings in Australia? Probably.
Japan the same! They banned guns, and in some years they have NO gun deaths in the whole country.
The madmen and angry people DO still get ahold of weapons. But, a knife might hurt or maim one or two people before they are disarmed. Not 17 like today, or over 50 in Las Vegas a while back. (Oh, that mass shooting really hurt business, Canadians are not going there in droves like they used to!)
Third, the US constitution does NOT give the right to bear arms for every person who decides they need an automatic or semiautomatic, or even a one shot at a time weapon. The reason for the right to bear arms was for a “militia!” Not one of the recent shootings (any??) had a thing to do with defending the country from either outsiders or your own government.
Fourth, speaking of defending yourself from your own government, I mean, really?? REALLY??
Fifth, stop blaming gun violence on the apostasy from God. I have no doubt people are 100% right about how our societies have fallen away from God, and how terrible it is. But, Canada is well ahead of you on this, we are a secular, pagan nation, I am sad to say, but we do not have mass murders like the US. And if there are shootings, it is usually with weapons purchased in the US and smuggled into Canada. Or, against our Mounties who are trying to capture a criminal, and they do have guns, but sadly are sometimes unable to kill the shooter first. I am sure things would be much worse here, if guns were readily accessible.
Japan is and always was, a non-Christian nation. Yet, they banned guns and no gun deaths some years, and below 10 in others! And that is not mass shootings, but one on one shootings.
”Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret? If you want to buy a gun in Japan you need patience and determination. You have to attend an all-day class, take a written exam and pass a shooting-range test with a mark of at least 95%.
There are also mental health and drugs tests. Your criminal record is checked and police look for links to extremist groups. Then they check your relatives too - and even your work colleagues. And as well as having the power to deny gun licences, police also have sweeping powers to search and seize weapons.
That's not all. Handguns are banned outright. Only shotguns and air rifles are allowed.
The law restricts the number of gun shops. In most of Japan's 40 or so prefectures there can be no more than three, and you can only buy fresh cartridges by returning the spent cartridges you bought on your last visit.”
How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News
Sixth, we have psychotrophic drugs in Canada, too! But, because of limited access to guns, no one is getting shot in schools, or at a music festival. Same for all the other countries in the western world.
Cop out after cop out!
I am sitting watching TV in a restaurant outside Seattle Washington right now. The coverage of the incident in Florida is dominating the news. It is horrible to see the broken people, who have lived through this tragedy that were on the site of the shooting. Yet, no mention of the one solution that could stop this holocaust. Ban the guns that cause this. Shut down gun sellers and conventions and fairs that don’t do background checks. Limit access to guns to people with proper training and a use for them, who have had background checks for mental illness (Overturn HIPA on this! Protecting lives are more important than the mentally ill having access to guns!)
And most important, stop this culture of guns! Stop justifying and rationalizing garbage like “guns don’t kill people.” Try telling that to the parents of one of those 17 people who died yesterday. Any American who rationalizes that “guns don’t kill people” is complicit in these mass shootings, as far as I can see. That is NRA propaganda, pure and simple!
I think JB said, “every other civilized country that has gun control” and I heartily concur. Gun control could be the start to stopping this slaughter, especially in schools. But, if you keep up this culture of death, no revival in the world is going to stop the madmen, the disaffected, the angry from buying a gun that can shoot fast and hard, and thousands of innocents being killed.
Angela, you make some good points... I do not agree with all of them, however.
Really. That was one of the major reasons for the 2nd Amendment. Here is a quote from one of the Federalist papers, explaining why the 2nd was needed. This was written by Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison... specifically addressing "the Militia"...
What is missing in our nation is the "regulation" by the state governments. Any and all "gun laws" should be enacted by the states themselves, as they should be in charge of "the militia".
One problem is that there is never a common sense, "middle of the road" solution proposed. One side wants NO regulation (shall not be infringed) on firearm ownership, and the other side wants NO ownership allowed.
The fact is that there are literally MILLIONS of these AR-15 style rifles owned by responsible people in the US, and they will never be used in a crime like this. Passing a law that would make the ownership of those rifles would be wrong. IMO, of course.
What is needed is much what Angela proposed... I have been proposing this for quite some time... let's have real background checks... checks that can/must check the mental competence of the person that wants to purchase one of those firearms. Personally, I think that anyone taking any of the mind altering drugs should not be allowed to purchase or own them.
Here is where it gets sticky... hypothetical.... a person passes all his "tests" and is legal to purchase/own. 5 years from now, that person gets put on a regimen of mind altering drugs. How do you take the firearm away from him?
There are no "easy" answers... if we had a magic button to push, where all firearms simply vanished, we could do that, but then we are back to fundamentally changing the United States... essentially taking away rights from the people. That is a really bad precedent to set.
Really. That was one of the major reasons for the 2nd Amendment. Here is a quote from one of the Federalist papers, explaining why the 2nd was needed. This was written by Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison... specifically addressing "the Militia"...
What is missing in our nation is the "regulation" by the state governments. Any and all "gun laws" should be enacted by the states themselves, as they should be in charge of "the militia".
One problem is that there is never a common sense, "middle of the road" solution proposed. One side wants NO regulation (shall not be infringed) on firearm ownership, and the other side wants NO ownership allowed.
The fact is that there are literally MILLIONS of these AR-15 style rifles owned by responsible people in the US, and they will never be used in a crime like this. Passing a law that would make the ownership of those rifles would be wrong. IMO, of course.
What is needed is much what Angela proposed... I have been proposing this for quite some time... let's have real background checks... checks that can/must check the mental competence of the person that wants to purchase one of those firearms. Personally, I think that anyone taking any of the mind altering drugs should not be allowed to purchase or own them.
Here is where it gets sticky... hypothetical.... a person passes all his "tests" and is legal to purchase/own. 5 years from now, that person gets put on a regimen of mind altering drugs. How do you take the firearm away from him?
There are no "easy" answers... if we had a magic button to push, where all firearms simply vanished, we could do that, but then we are back to fundamentally changing the United States... essentially taking away rights from the people. That is a really bad precedent to set.
I grew up in a house where there was a loaded gun over every door in the house. There were eight children in the house. None of us ever took a gun down unless we were going hunting, or there was a threat to our livestock. We were taught gun safety and how to properly use every gun in the house from the time we were old enough to hold it. Our friends came from similar homes so there were no problems.
By the time my children were in high school, the guns were stored on a rack in my bedroom closet. We started that when one of my oldest child's friend took one off the door rack. Today, they are kept in a locked safe, or a mounted lock box. Things have changed. Very few young people, who have access to guns, know how to properly handle them.
I'll be honest with you. I wouldn't give, trade or sell one of my guns to most of the young people that I know. I fully support mandatory gun safety and use education, and a mental health exam of every purchaser.
By the time my children were in high school, the guns were stored on a rack in my bedroom closet. We started that when one of my oldest child's friend took one off the door rack. Today, they are kept in a locked safe, or a mounted lock box. Things have changed. Very few young people, who have access to guns, know how to properly handle them.
I'll be honest with you. I wouldn't give, trade or sell one of my guns to most of the young people that I know. I fully support mandatory gun safety and use education, and a mental health exam of every purchaser.
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I am 75 yrs old and have had time to have a comprehensive overview of things in the world. First came Madelin Ohera and was effective in removing Christianity from schools. Also the ACLU came along to strong arm everybody by threatening them with legal actions that nobody can well afford. Then the LBGT group came out of the closet and paraded with their hinnie showing up and down the street. One man rightly said, that if God doesn't do something then He will need to appologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. The people are reaping what they sowed and it has only just started. Take a look a Europe and see what is happening; the land is spitting them out because of their evils and sexual immorality and uncleanness. take time to read Lev 18. One historian claimed that of all the nations in history who gave themselves up to sexual immorality they all never lasted very long before they crumbled. Paul in ll Thessalonians speaks of a great falling away of the church; that falling away is why the Muslim nations overran all the areas of the Mediterranean where Christianity was born. when people get as wicked as the are today then stand in the Holy place and don't be moved, but believe that the Godhead is in Christ and not Christ in the Godhead.
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Illegal gun arsenals are found now and again especially in Europe. The facts are that you can take away the guns from the law-abiding population until they have no personal protection, but removing the Guns from people that have no respect for the law is impossible for any political system to do. A person can manufacture firearms in his garage. The change in society from the 50s thru today can be attributed to the increase in the wickedness of society in general.
I don't see y some of u think gun laws won't help. Like angie said in her post ... d looonnnggg one.. no one said d crazy ones will just disappear when if d gun laws are made. But it will reduce killings nothing less than 75%. Besides gun laws, stricter punishments should be given 2 murderers and their prisons shld be a lot more uncomfortable. And this parole thing is just bogus. Just cuz some1 starts behavin nicely, his sentence is reduced.. pah! It's d subtle and mild laws dat causes chaos in any state.
I hear bro and not offended by your view.....I will say that most who would say this about guns like the liberals in this country (obviously not you) will murder a baby in the womb without batting an eye......and you know as a law abiding, registered gun owing Marine from the 80's that has never murdered anyone or even thought about it has no problem with legal law abiding gun ownership...stats prove that if not a gun, a knife, car, bombs, etc. will be employed by those who want to go on a murderous rampage........tragically when an incident like this happens.....it makes world news.
Sadly, when I was researching my above post, one stat I learned was that there have been 26 school shootings in the last year! That doesn’t include Las Vegas, or nightclub shootings, etc.
So, what the world is horrified with, isn’t that an isolated incident happened in Florida yesterday. This is about a regular occurrence more than twice a month on average, where children are being massacred. With a regularity that isn’t happening with cars, knives or dynamite!
I agree there are always going to be bad people/ madmen, who commit crimes with various weapons including their bare hands! But, no where in the English speaking country are there continued massacres of innocent children (and adults) with guns. Guns are dangerous. I appreciate that many here have weapons training and operate their guns safely. But sadly, these shootings are becomong too regular to keep going down this path.
Until conservative Americans (some in this forum) start demanding safety over guns, it is going to keep happening, maybe getting worse and worse! I think it was 1966,someone climbed a bell tower at a Texas University and started shooting people dead. That was the first incident I personally recall. The world was horrified, and 50 years later we can only shake our heads and wonder.
But perhaps this isn’t the right place to voice my objections, as most people here are rational, sane and sensible about gun laws and gun care. I hear Trump was going to address this, although maybe more to offer words of comfort than ways out of this mess.
DC, I appreciate you listened to my concerns. I can only hope and pray that sooon, the “right” to own a gun won’t take priority over the “right” to be alive, and to be safe, in the near future for all Americans.