[FONT="]Even though we don't see eye to eye on certain subjects such as Job and healing in the atonement. Many people will say we are nuts for believing literally the promises in the Bible. But that is what it takes to be able to live them out. We are called to live by faith that Jesus is real in our day to day lives. Heb.11:1 And yes, it does go against human reasoning and what is revealed to our natural senses.
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11 Now faith is the assurance (the confirmation, [SUP][a][/SUP]the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses].[FONT="]
His promises do not depend on our meager human weaknesses and our lack of dependability. His dependability is where we need to go and He is always dependable to do what He says He will do. He will over take those weaknesses we have FOR us. Our flesh can and will over come us when we depend on it. I've learned I cannot depend on myself for anything.
I've also learned that for lack of the knowledge of the truth and believing it., many Christians (myself included) although they are sincere in their beliefs have perished or are perishing for lack of knowledge of the truth. As you can read here on this thread alone.,, many Christians are sincere in their belief that God is going to purge them., steal from them and even kill them should they not be faithful enough or please Him enough.
Or worse yet that God will teach us by whipping us into submission. Jesus is not even a factor in some of these cases as far as their understanding goes. They don't know Jesus has saved them from all condemnation and judgment.
I've discovered that God in Christ loves us into submission. He doesn't need to beat the sheep or get behind us and herd us with a whip. No., He is our Good Shepherd and He goes before the sheep., leading us. And the sheep "follow" of their own free will. No whips., no cattle prods. We are sheep., we are not cattle. The Holy Spirit never forces us to do anything.
It's not foolish or off the rails to be a willing participant in the process. Here is Psalms 23. It's not for the dead but for us living today. We won't need help in heaven., we need help now., we need wisdom., healing, leading., comfort, safety., and all those things pertaining to life and Godliness today in the here and now while we are on this pilgrim journey. (and we have it by faith and following)
Many of us Christians look at God as if He never sent Jesus. The Bible says if we want to see the Father we NEED to look at the Son. We are in the new covenant. The old is gone the new is here. We have the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. Many Christians are like me I've sadly found out.
I didn't even know the ministry of the Holy Spirit in my life except maybe to show me how to understand the Bible. Until only a few years ago I didn't even allow the Holy Spirit's power to flourish in my life. I was sorely lacking knowledge of the truth about the ministry of the Holy Spirit and the love and grace of God.
The Bible says God has not given us a spirit of fear but of POWER and LOVE and a SOUND MIND. Those things were already given to us when we got saved. We work out what Jesus has worked in us. The fruit will come out of us when we daily learn how to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. For many of us walking in the flesh is not about blatant sins like murder or cheating and stealing or adultery. We Christians are not doing that.
But what we ARE doing is walking in the flesh by living fearful lives and insisting on pulling ourselves up by our own bootstraps having a "God helps those who help themselves" kind of attitude. God helps the helpless and the needy. And when we see that., we become sheep who follow after for all they are and need.
[/FONT][SUP]1 [/SUP]The Lord is my Shepherd [to feed, guide, and shield me], I shall not lack.
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2 [/SUP]He makes me lie down in [fresh, tender] green pastures; He leads me beside the still and restful waters.
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3 [/SUP]He refreshes and restores my life (my self); He leads me in the paths of righteousness [uprightness and right standing with Him—not for my earning it, but] for His name’s sake.
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4 [/SUP]Yes, though I walk through the [deep, sunless] valley of the shadow of death, I will fear or dread no evil, for You are with me; Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort me.
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5 [/SUP]You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with [SUP][a][/SUP]oil; my [brimming] cup runs over.
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6 [/SUP]Surely or only goodness, mercy, and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life, and through the length of my days the house of the Lord [and His presence] shall be my dwelling place.
Lay aside the pride for a moment and digress.
You have spoken boldly countless times now of your confidence and faith that the Lord is mercifull, and has made and kept his Word (promise
This is true, yet still you have denyed having made a crucial mistake and are clinging to a lie.
The Lord said," have you seen iyov and how he is blameless and upright!."
Well have you?
I ask with all sincerity because everyone can read for themselves what you have said of him.
Where you are in relation to the Lord is far from those who have adhered to the All Mighties decree, iyov is blameless and upright.
You seem to have forgotten that the right hand of falsness is death.
And it is the very hand you so chose to listen to when you challenged the Lord as satan had.
You shall not take the Lord's Name in vain.
His Word is Life.
You made your choice in accusing iyov and siding with the enemy to contend with the tToruth.
And so as was warned.
Yeah or neah.
Did God speak the Truth in sayin iyov is blameless and upright?