The King James Bible

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Here is a thought.

In dark ages, people needed to know how to be saved and whether they must be submitted to a pope.
God fulfilled this need and gave them Textus Receptus to get this knowlege.

In our scientific time full of perfectionalism, we need the most accurate and most ancient text to defent ourselves against atheists, gnostics, sabbatarians and muslims.
And God also fullfiled this need and gave us better and older texts.

And these groups are constantly claiming that the Bible is corrupt. It is therefore counterproductive to allow a religious elite to develop within the church where the goal is to discredit modern translations. The Bible is the Bible and Christians shouldn’t be turning people away from it.


This is a spiritual stronghold trying to entrench itself within the church and it's time to rebuke it.



2 Cor 10:5 KJV
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


CJB
and every arrogance that raises itself up against the knowledge of God; we take every thought captive and make it obey the Messiah.


NIV
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.


ESV
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Changes in words brings changes in truth and doctrine. That's a fact. One word change can bring about destruction. Ask Eve.

Not if the word no longer is being used, if the word is outdated and NO One is using it anymore. It brings confusion and chaos. The word must be changed to the word used in the modern way which means the same thing.

Why do you think we have an issue with tongues? It is not a word native to us today’s. Back int he day, it meant simply language. The word tongue should not be I used in ANY bible. Because the word TONGUE is not used today.

Same with the word BAPTIZE. It is not a native word. it should never have been made up or used. That is why we have so much confusion about baptism today. It should be interpreted in a modern word which interprets tyhe word used correctly.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Changes in words brings changes in truth and doctrine. That's a fact. One word change can bring about destruction. Ask Eve.

A contradiction.
The ESV and the NKJV are not CONTRADICTIONS of the KJV. They have the same message.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Go to any college campus,. And try to give a speech, start the speech out with “verily verily I say unto you”
Then ask the people what you meant when you said that. How many will actually know (except those who studied the greek terms, or studied history to see what they ment back in 1st century.

 

[John146]

And these groups are constantly claiming that the Bible is corrupt. It is therefore counterproductive to allow a religious elite to develop within the church where the goal is to discredit modern translations. The Bible is the Bible and Christians shouldn’t be turning people away from it.


This is a spiritual stronghold trying to entrench itself within the church and it's time to rebuke it.



2 Cor 10:5 KJV
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


CJB
and every arrogance that raises itself up against the knowledge of God; we take every thought captive and make it obey the Messiah.


NIV
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.


ESV
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,

This Scripture is actually stating against your argument...exalting itself against the word of God. The nerve to want and mess with and change it to fit our needs.

 

[John146]

Not if the word no longer is being used, if the word is outdated and NO One is using it anymore. It brings confusion and chaos. The word must be changed to the word used in the modern way which means the same thing.

Why do you think we have an issue with tongues? It is not a word native to us today’s. Back int he day, it meant simply language. The word tongue should not be I used in ANY bible. Because the word TONGUE is not used today.

Same with the word BAPTIZE. It is not a native word. it should never have been made up or used. That is why we have so much confusion about baptism today. It should be interpreted in a modern word which interprets tyhe word used correctly.

We shouldn't be looking for today's definitions to define Scripture, but the very words of Scripture define itself. Study the word tongue in Scripture and it will define it for you. The problem with Christians today is they are too lazy to study for themselves but want to google everything.

 

[John146]

Go to any college campus,. And try to give a speech, start the speech out with “verily verily I say unto you”
Then ask the people what you meant when you said that. How many will actually know (except those who studied the greek terms, or studied history to see what they ment back in 1st century.

Should I start out by saying, "Yo, check this out..." and then give claim that I'm quoting Scripture? Scripture can then be defined by anything I want it to say and mean. I will update it according to John146. You update it according to EG and so on. All of it will be the word of God...if we say so...

 

[star]

My grandparents, g.grandparents studied the bible (I happen to be in possession of 2 of them) without any other translations, without the Greek, Hebrew wording.

They believed in and trusted in the scriptures before them because they believed in and trusted the Lord.

It has been so for many, many years.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

This Scripture is actually stating against your argument...exalting itself against the word of God. The nerve to want and mess with and change it to fit our needs.

I repeat.
2 Cor 10:5 KJV
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

And rebuke the the KJVO position.

 

[John146]

My grandparents, g.grandparents studied the bible (I happen to be in possession of 2 of them) without any other translations, without the Greek, Hebrew wording.

They believed in and trusted in the scriptures before them because they believed in and trusted the Lord.

It has been so for many, many years.

Look out! Your Grandparents are about to be mocked...sadly by other believers...

 

[hornetguy]

I'd rather leave the word alone and fit myself into it, rather than continuing to update it to fit my needs.

You should have told the translators of the KJV that. They could have stuck with what they had, but they wanted a clearer version... and NONE of those translators thought that their translation would be the "final, complete words of God"

They simply wanted an updated, clearer translation.

 

[hornetguy]

Look out! Your Grandparents are about to be mocked...sadly by other believers...

The only thing being mocked is your superior "translation worshipping" attitude.

 

[Dino246]

I'd rather leave the word alone and fit myself into it, rather than continuing to update it to fit my needs.

Nehemiah 8
8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
If we would only have this passion when we open and read the word of God. Change it to fit our needs? No way. Let it change me.

Neh 8:8 They read from the book, from the law of God, translating to give the sense so that they understood the reading.

Ezra and the others were translating the Law into the common language of his hearers. They changed it to fit the needs of the people, instead of expecting the people to change to fit the language.

When you conflate multiple ideas into one, you end up corrupting them. You have conflated changing language with changing doctrine. That is not what anyone here is advocating, but you don't want to hear it because it doesn't line up with your view of the world. Your view is wrong, and it seems that you are too stubborn to accept it.

 

[John146]

Neh 8:8 They read from the book, from the law of God, translating to give the sense so that they understood the reading.

Ezra and the others were translating the Law into the common language of his hearers. They changed it to fit the needs of the people, instead of expecting the people to change to fit the language.

When you conflate multiple ideas into one, you end up corrupting them. You have conflated changing language with changing doctrine. That is not what anyone here is advocating, but you don't want to hear it because it doesn't line up with your view of the world. Your view is wrong, and it seems that you are too stubborn to accept it.

So if you have difficulty in reading and understanding the words of the KJV, ask for help. Don't change the words. Is that what Ezra did? They didn't change the words, but rather gave further teaching of those words. Leave the words alone.

 

[trofimus]

My grandparents, g.grandparents studied the bible (I happen to be in possession of 2 of them) without any other translations, without the Greek, Hebrew wording.

They believed in and trusted in the scriptures before them because they believed in and trusted the Lord.

It has been so for many, many years.

That does not mean they were right or wrong. Its just a statement of what they did. They used what was available to them.

 

[trofimus]

So if you have difficulty in reading and understanding the words of the KJV, ask for help. Don't change the words. Is that what Ezra did? They didn't change the words, but rather gave further teaching of those words. Leave the words alone.

So read in Greek. If you do not understand the words, ask for help. Dont change the words. Leave the words alone.

 

[SovereignGrace]

We shouldn't be looking for today's definitions to define Scripture, but the very words of Scripture define itself. Study the word tongue in Scripture and it will define it for you. The problem with Christians today is they are too lazy to study for themselves but want to google everything.

When was the last time someone stuck you in your wimples with a crisping pin?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

So if you have difficulty in reading and understanding the words of the KJV, ask for help. Don't change the words. Is that what Ezra did? They didn't change the words, but rather gave further teaching of those words. Leave the words alone.

It was Hebrew then. So shall we leave the words in Hebrew? And not modern Hebrew but the older form they were using when the scribes wrote the book of the law that they were reading from.

 

[SovereignGrace]

And now kids, let us turn to the booke of Efther.

To which the kids reply, “Who? What are you talking about Efther?”

 

[John146]

So read in Greek. If you do not understand the words, ask for help. Dont change the words. Leave the words alone.

Ok, then when I ask for help, what words will they use in English to explain exactly what I needed to hear? The words of the KJV.